EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Question for all you yellow dog lovers why yellow? Answer as you will.

I have a feeling this is gonna get good! :D

Because .........Its a primary color!   ;)

Nailed it! ;D

Because I havent seen a sho-nuff spotted dog that could beat a YELLOW CULL!!!    >:D   

They are for the discriminating dog man, when only the best will do.

Why feed 20 spotted dogs when one yeller will produce more than all of them combined??

You have to hunt all 20 together and HOPE on of them stumbles across a crippled, blind and deaf hog to catch anything...

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Because people are ruining those spotted dogs trying to breed them for glass eyes and to bark at penned hogs..........

About like them yellow dogs being bred based off a bunch of papers!

Atleast W. Ben would CATCH a hog...  ;D

Only cuz his name was Ben!

It just runs natural with a name like to perform exceptionally at breeding and producing  ;D

Yep... I'm sure your " line breeding " is pretty tight...  >:D  :-*

Because I didn't have but,one color in my crayon box in kindergarten. >:(

The color was also used by prehistoric man to discourage giant condors from carrying off small children and baby hedgehogs. 

Because when I started hunting all of the older men i looked up to and respected hunted yeller dogs and had been using/breeding them for 20 or more years. They were and still are 100% true stock dogs. Not sayin that otherr breeds are bad just sayin that around these parts i know what works and YELLA works!

watch it now we are starting to sound like old boy the other day saying he has never seen a good yellow dog LOL.

How about why not they are just plain UGLY!!!!!  >:D

You said it man exactly they are stock dogs they are not breed to hunt in anyway shape or form. A hound it is breed to produce meat. The dogs are stocks dogs and work well in the terrain of texas where there is a large number of hogs and it doesnt require a cold nose just speed, grit and determination. Seen some good yellas but ill take a hound anyday. ;D

It's just another fad thats gonna ruin the breed like it did the catahoulas. They're being mass produced for color and not culled... cause everyone has to have a yella dog. BMC's come in other colors besides yella. ;)

There's just as many cull yella dogs as there are any others... probably more these days.

If you would quit jackin with them hounds and just started off with a good yeller, you wouldn't be looking for a finished strike dog!!!!    :D

Atleast you got smart and sold the cat!!!  :D

hey now all we have is cats and hounds! dont hate :)

Id have to agree with you, seems everyone has a yella dog in the bed of the truck where im at nowdays. 8-9 yrs ago it wasn't like that at all, course i never saw yella dog pups for 1000+ dollars either......times are changin!

     if you have to ask this question you just wouldnt understand loljj

Made me laugh!

Ive got both actually more yellas than cats and currently my Cat is the All star in my pack. Time will tell.

You said it man exactly they are stock dogs they are not breed to hunt in anyway shape or form. A hound it is breed to produce meat. The dogs are stocks dogs and work well in the terrain of texas where there is a large number of hogs and it doesnt require a cold nose just speed, grit and determination. Seen some good yellas but ill take a hound anyday. ;D
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Wrong again....  Stock dogs that were bread by the settlers of texas did hunt!  They were multi purpose dogs!  They had to help tend the herds!   Meaning hunt & find the cows not only hold them but be able to assist in driving long distances!   These dogs also had to be able to put meat on the table!  Squirrel, deer, coon, bear, big cats, ect...    Hell if their really was a big foot it would be a yellow dog catch him!   I don't even have any true yellows,  but this is the working facts!

Haha

Are we talking bout Yeller dogs in general or just papered WB dogs.

Think a few folks are getting confused and think those are the only ones in the breed standard.
I have been dealing with Yeller dogs most of my life, but had never heard of WB or papers till the net craze.  
If anything around here I would say Yeller dogs have always been the norm with almost everyone I knew having one in the mid 90's. Now........just pockets and less than a handfull of long term men that kept their lines goin.

So I would say for this area that has utilized Yellers for as many years ad you can find a man living to tell you bout em. ....they are actually dwindling instead of booming.  ;)
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Fad.......maybe on the industry promoted dogs but have to disagree on the entirety.   ;D

Miles, I'm talking about yella dogs in general.

Yes, the papered dogs folks are making a killing... but, also every Tom, Dick and Harry are breeding them too.

I have yellow dogs because I'm severly obsessive compulsive and I simply cannot have multiples of any item and they not match.  In fact, I not only have matching dogs, but they are placed in their respective kennel in alphabetical order.

A yard full of spotted, patched up, multi-color catahoulas would just kick me right over the edge.



Just kidding of course...(but not really)   ;D

I don't care what color a dog is as long as they will consistently produce pork!  I do however love the looks of them yellers.  My problem is finding one that suits me and have only seen a hand full of ones I liked but do have my eye on one blood line that has impressed me.  As far as Ben bread dogs go I firmly believe they are all hype and more culls than not.  I haven't seen one yet I would feed.  Let's not forget been himself was a cull.  It's all about advertising...

Blackmouth Curs have varied historical documentation dependent upon region. Among them are the Ladner Yellow Blackmouth Cur from Mississippi, Red Blackmouth Cur from Alabama, Weatherford's Ben Blackmouth Cur from Texas, and the Florida Blackmouth Cur.
 
The first Blackmouth Curs registered were Ladner Blackmouth Curs through the National Kennel Club in April 1964. Mr L.H. Ladner had such extensive written documentation of his family's breeding that the NKC recognized the breed.

lmao your not alone sometimes i think im nuts

because it looks best with a black mouth!

Hell when I started hunting 9yrs ago I RARELY saw a yella dog around my area, now days I see em everywhere!!!!!! they are def. expanding around here........and i am in no way saying that it is a good thing just statin what i've seen :-\

now thats funny!  :D :D :D :D :D

the jack of all trades meat dogs you are talking about were/are the mt. cur...but most well built mutts will make good meat dogs if they get hungry enough...
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it thought the high cull rate went back before the early 1980's...

one day I want to go on a hunt with nothing but purebred yellow dogs in a woods bottom where there are a few hogs and I want to see the dogs range out and find the hogs and then bring them to bay even if it takes 4 hours of running and trailing through the thick brush and through a few 10 acre briar patches...not trying to be a smart butt but I really want to see this...

I left the Catahoulas alone started using yella dogs because of exactly what mike said. "They started being bred for color to make a dollar instead of working ability".  Yellow dogs dont have the novelty of the catahoula so I dont believe they will get as bad off, but there are still some folks that have true catahoulas and they dont have a bunch of loud patch work and they resemble nothing like we see today.  They are 80lb dogs with block heads and typically not a loud color and maybe one glass eye if any at all and they are pretty much straight catch dogs on a single hog until you get them broke, but can take a rank cow down like a bulldog.  I have been thinking about trying to talk Mr. Murray out of one before he gets too old to fool with them.  The last two out of his line I saw were some serious working dogs that his son used to catch loose cattle, and they would rival the heart and grit of any cur dog and maybe a bulldog.

I tend to stay away from the cats for the same reason but I would love to own a couple that would really get the job done. I fear that yellow dogs are going the way of the cat. Im holdin on to the ones ive got for dear life.......they may not be the best but they work for me!

why yellow? cause not everyone can run brindle dogs. :)

i know that all cats are not the same but the ones ive been around seem to be slow starters,they usually dont range as far out. i have also seen dog aggression out of them. the yellow dogs ive been around seem to start easier and more energetic. the cats that you see now are completely different than the old days they come every color in the book with lots of white.around here they were dark colored dogs with no white and favored a hound in there build,long and lean. now they look like bulldog crosses.

You said it man exactly they are stock dogs they are not breed to hunt in anyway shape or form. A hound it is breed to produce meat. The dogs are stocks dogs and work well in the terrain of texas where there is a large number of hogs and it doesnt require a cold nose just speed, grit and determination. Seen some good yellas but ill take a hound anyday. ;D
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 If you would quit jackin with them hounds and just started off with a good yeller, you wouldn't be looking for a finished strike dog!!!!    :D

Atleast you got smart and sold the cat!!!  :D
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actually im looking for a dog because i have one male left thats 4.5 and the other is 11 and one went cripple on me i sold all my gyps thats why i sold cat and call the boy up i sold the cat to and the redtick ill give you their numbers so you can hunt them they where no joke. just want one more male

Wrong again....  Stock dogs that were bread by the settlers of texas did hunt!  They were multi purpose dogs!  They had to help tend the herds!   Meaning hunt & find the cows not only hold them but be able to assist in driving long distances!   These dogs also had to be able to put meat on the table!  Squirrel, deer, coon, bear, big cats, ect...    Hell if their really was a big foot it would be a yellow dog catch him!   I don't even have any true yellows,  but this is the working facts!
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depends on what breed if you look at weatherford dogs history they are primarily breed to heard cattle and thats whatwe where talking about the other breeds like lander etc where breed more for hunting. What i meant was the yella dogs are breed to do all kinds of things not just hunt where a hound is strictly breed to hunt

If you would quit jackin with them hounds and just started off with a good yeller, you wouldn't be looking for a finished strike dog!!!!    :D

Atleast you got smart and sold the cat!!!  :D


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actually im looking for a dog because i have one male left thats 4.5 and the other is 11 and one went cripple on me i sold all my gyps thats why i sold cat and call the boy up i sold the cat to and the redtick ill give you their numbers so you can hunt them they where no joke. just want one more male
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It was just a joke!! Man you hound guys are touchy!!!!  ;D

Im yella guy and it seems to me that on here fighting words if u down a yella dog
I have seen 3 yella dogs in my 17 yrs of hog dogging that were real dogs not junk and I agree they are being breed now daysfor one line of dog  not because the parents were good just because there yella wrong reason

Guess I need to better explain myself.  The dogs in talking about are & have been bread and raised in the Lee, Milam, Burleson co area for a long time!  They were not always on a line breading program it was more breed the best to the best breeding.  My uncle who is now 66 can take these dogs back to his grandfather and been raising the same dogs for over 125 yrs.  These dogs have some east Texas also, Hutton, Havernd, and others!  No they are not true yellows!  Most of the litters are 50/50 yellow brindle!  They do have a little hound, and I'm sure mt curr, and possibly a little cat in them.   Some more that have contributed to these dogs are Dobelly, Woodward, Morton!  They have the ability to hunt & or work stock all day in the extreme heat!   I'm not trying to say anything more than there are yellows that can do it all!   I am not a big fan of yellow, I'll take a brindle first any day, but facts are facts! They have been doing these jobs for many years... Hope I didn't offend anyone!

It was just a joke!! Man you hound guys are touchy!!!!  ;D
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Im not mad but it funny you say we are touchy if anything its the yella guys that are touchy go look at the post if any guy post one bad thing about them 50 post come down on him about how he is wrong or this and that seems to me people are to serious about what breed and not what they produce

Ive seen 4 yella dogs that where jam up and 3 belonged to same man and one is in my cousin kennel crippled

ive never owned a yella dog and have only seen about 3 i would own and my buddy has 2 of em and they are jam up. i have also "culled" about 5 cats in the last 2 months that had papers but was worthless...unless u just like looking at them. but like a old man said to me that use to hunt nothing but cats, if u get one that will really hunt for you and do his job, you truely have something that cant be beat. i personally like half cat half walkers but thats just whats been working for me

That's like askin why I the sky blue and the grass green. It just wouldn't look right any other color  O0

The sky is blue, cuz God loves the Infantry!

Totally off subject, but a fact nonetheless!

 I think my IQ has dropped a lil from reading some of the answers in this post, ignorance is bliss I guess. Yall are funny as hell LOL. As for the original post. Why do I have yella dogs, After hunting with BigO's Dot and Bear dog for the first time I knew what I wanted, nothing else would do or even come close to satisfy me. It had to be a yella dog, this is coming from a person that grew up with nothing but hounds as a kid. After you see one of these outstanding yella dogs work, use their brain while doing it and get it done no matter what it takes you'll be hooked also.

one of the best dogs I hunted behind was a BMC..but I saw a few culls before and since...just like any breed there are lots of culls before getting a good one unless it is a good line of dogs...a good line of dogs doesn't make all the dogs good it just improves the chances of picking a good pup...

I have loved the look of yellas from the get go and some of the first I hunted with were BigO and Ben's dogs.  There young dogs really impressed me and may have even ruined me.  I've been on the hunt for a blood line I like since.  It's been a few months and the more I learn the more particular I get and must say there aren't many others I've seen thus far that compare.

You can see these type of dogs come from very few lines nowadays.  Those dogs are as good as they are because of standards.  Those men, Bob and David, have alot of time invested in them dogs, and when you expect the best, nothing less will do!

Let me know when yall get another Dot, I wanna come watch that one work.  Hopefully it won't be to far down the road with the breedings y'all have in place!

very well put

Don't blame the dog for not turning out, blame the TRAINER!!!!  ;)

x2  ;D popo

So all these culls are from my lack ad training!   I just go to woods and drop the tailgate!  Is their something else I need to do?

Well duh!!! You gotta get your a$$ out there and show them how to bay a hog!!! How else will they learn!!!

Every now and then they find one and bay it, when i park on top of hogs!  How can I teach them to tye it & drag back to the truck!

Haven't mastered that one yet... Maybe one of the better trainers will chime in..

Now I'll be the first to admit i haven't owned a dog in my life that any of y'all wouldn't cull I like yellows no real reason just preference actually I like dogs in general there's not a hunting breed out there I wouldn't own...but you guys that say you've only seen 2 good yellows or no good yellows in your life haven't been out a whole lot have you? I'd bet there's 10 of em just out of posters on this board that most of us would give an arm for.

I only hope to own at least 1 dog in my life that will compare to Dot, some of the stories Bob and David has told me about Dot are down right unbelievable but you can take it as gods honest truth coming from them two. I just hope it doesnt take 40 years to get there but if it does Im patient enough to wait for a dog like her. A good family of dogs gives you better chances of getting good to great dogs and I know I have been lucky to have met Bob and David and Im down right grateful for what they have done and taught me about these east texas yella dogs. I just hope I can do right by them and "keep em how I found them" the best I can.
 People have no stanards these days, if it will bay a hog it is good enough for them. Me thats just not good enough, I want the best of the best and only the best will do. Yes there are culls in the line just like every other line of cur or any breed for that matter, but after what Ive seen first hand with Bob and Davids dogs Ill have me nothing but these east texas yella dogs on my yard for as long as I can.

I may only be 27 but i have hunted with hundreds of dogs all over the place and i have only seen 4 as i stated i have been out plenty.

You need to hunt with different people and better dogs if you have only seen 4 good ones out of the "hundreds" of dogs you have seen!! 

For me it goes deeper than just liking blackmouths.  I like and respect the men behind the dogs I own.  Personally it would be hard for me to own any dogs that came from someone that was in it for the money or prestige, regardless how good they were.  Also if you plan on breeding and raising your on dogs why not get them from a solid breeding program from people you respect and trust.

No im good i have seen lander, ben etc i have seen alot of good strike dogs. I have seen 15 i consider jam up and only 4 where yellow the rest where cross with hound or pure hound. Let me guess you got the dogs to show me right!!!!

We got rid of our pure BMC. Too hard headed for me. We prefer spotted Running Walker crosses, BMC crosses are awesome. Just don't really like the pure breds. No catahoula in my kennels at all. Best catch dog we e er had was Pitt/BMC. Name was Hitman. All 35 pounds of him was heart. Yella dogs are easy to cull though. Either they are jam up or crap. Not much in between. IMO. Too much crap out there now a days. We breed our own pretty much. Know what we got.

 ;D :)

when it comes to the collor of a dog i try to be collor blind, there are good dogs in all the breeds we have been talking about.its very seldom you find a dog of one breed that has everything it may be open on track,or too gritty,or not gritty enough. i personally dont care if a dog is open or not as long as it finds pork. a good dog is a good dog no matter the collor. but yea i really like yellow dogs. but i do have a new cat pup that seems to have what it takes.he is 5 months a has been baying sence he was around 3 or 4 months old and you can tell he hates a hog.in my oppinion when you start judging a dog on collor you are putting yourself in a negative situation im open to any kind of dog that will produce what you want.

Ladner and ben bred yellow dogs would be the reason you ain't seen the good ones. Those are mass produced skinny labradors.

Hahaha. Dang it T.  Made me spit boogers at the table again. Goodness Goodness.   :laugh:

 
Ladner and ben bred yellow dogs would be the reason you ain't seen the good ones. Those are mass produced skinny labradors.
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Let me know then what breed do i need to watch the t bob parker brand LOL just a jk. I was simply saying i have seen big lines to no lines and all 4 where a no line backyard dog that where any good to me. I believe there are some good ones out there i just havent seen any and i prefer the way a hound hunts JMO