EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

With Mikes post going I noticed a few guys associating dogs with lots of bottom not being able to hunt large tracts of land.   I agree to some degree that a dog with LOTS of bottom may get off a large tract of land BUT how many times have we seen hogs that run 0-200 yards back and forth through a cut over, briar patch, swamp, etc??? 

Soo... What is everyone elses perspective on a dog with BOTTOM??

well they better have it to get fed around here  .  i got no quit in me and i expect  the same from my dogs  .

Find bay and stay. Enough said.

around here they had better have some bottom or you wont catch many with all their legs.

i guess 11 1/2 hrs and 25 miles is plenty of bottom for me , they ran there pads off there feet , and all that happen in a dam high fence. but out hunting in the open , i dont want mine going over a mile . are hogs dont run to bad up here . if they cant stop one come back and will go again. dont want to spend all my time running one hog all night. but some times they do it, most of the time we catch them under 500 yrds off the hood with rough dogs

I personally like rough dogs so bottom only depends until the second one gets there and its caught. No i think all dogs need to have bottom.

I live here in Oklahoma we have hogs where I hunt not a hole lot and
An the ones we have all seem to wear Nike's these pigs are hunted a lot it s
By a lot people. I don't mind it we catch are fare share but bottom to me is
One that will keep going an put a hog at the end of the trail I catch my self a lot of the times
Ready to go home cuz. I'm tired wife's calling but my dog wont come to me because he has
Caught his pig. Lol I guess bottom to me is when your at the last spot to hunt at four in the morning
An your buddy says ke :'(ep your dogs held up lets see if we can catch one that come to the truck an lay down so I can hobble it bottom is a must around these parts an stoping. Power because what's the use of all the bottom in the world if you dog can't stop. A pig

why do you need bottom if your dog has all this stopping power to keep them from breaking? To me bottom is for the hogs that just flat wont stop unless you have rough dogs that just catch it as soon as it is struck

Like I said the hogs around hear have been hunted by every Tom dick an Harry
So after this happens hogs tend to figure out what is all about. So rough dogs yes they work
But your not going to catch them all this is where bottom comes in to play

I'm confused. If you have a rough dog that will catch when he finds one, he don't have to have a whole lot of bottom. He might have to run a little ways to catch up but then race is over. My dogs better put teeth on his rear and shut him down.  I'm not chasing my dogs all over after one pig. If they can't put teeth on it fairly quickly then they better find another one. We don't keep dogs like the ones you are describing on here. Land not an issue. We have close to 30,000 acres we hunt exclusively. I don't want to b out all night chasing one pig when we could've had 5-6.

So how do your dogs know which ones to chase and pursue and which ones to pull off of in order to catch the 5-6 others "easier" hogs??
If the dogs cant catch up to them it doesnt matter how much the dog wants to put teeth into the hog, its just not gonna happen... 

I guess i would have to see one of those type of dogs that can just run in and catch or sit the hog down. I dont think it can be done. The hogs around here will be at full run as soon as they hear the dogs coming. Running a hog down and stoppin it just flat out aint gonna happen unless the hog is crippled. This is in the woods i hunt.... So dont get wadded up!!

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Peach u have never seen a dog catch up with a running hog and shut it down? I know these hogs run like crazy around where i hunt and we dont catch all the the hogs we start but we do SHUT DOWN alot of hogs.

Bottom is the desire to complete a task at all cost, even their own life. I had rather train a dog to call off than breed quit into them. A dog that will quit you in a bind has little use, whether its working cows, hunting hogs, or whatever the job is. A lady named Vicky Lamb wrote a book about traing hounds that will show you step by step how to train a dog to call off at any time.

I got one whenever your ready to come watch let me know. The problem is i only got one. He 75lb male Cat and has no bark on anything 175 and down finds and catches the end. But bays anything bigger. But it all depends on the hog as well

If your cat was a run in and sit them down type dog, why cant he stop the runners on this spot??

Sounds to me ( and I'm just guessing ) that he is catching the ones under 175 that don't run, but if one runs he can't stop it...

to me bottom is the desire to complete the job at hand. Some have it some dont

me and my buddies run rough dogs, and (knock on wood) we dont get out run much.  Our dogs usually shut them down pretty quick.  Most of the places around here are smaller so a long range dog doesnt serve me any purpose.

I like how Blakebh says it...

If the hog doesn't want to stop it's not going to... When that hog stops it because it felt the need to stop and fight... Fight or flight gentlemen! Fight or flight!

There is a reason they decide to stop thats bc they r tired of their rear end being torn up, its not just bc they decided to fight. Most of the time if a hog is goin to run he runs until he looses the dogs or he has no other choices but to stop and fight.

If they cannot stop them they better run their pads off trying!

I like lots of bottom as needed...but prefer dogs that will stop the hog at the first good opportunity...catch and release to keep him there...this type of dog takes care to stay clear of the ivory...once in a while when the dogs are fresh and wind one out of the box they might throw caution to the wind...a few of these episodes and now as a result from that my dogs leave home ready to hunt...

A dog should never get beat across an open flat or pasture. A hog can not run wide open very long at all. I want a dog hitting one in the a$$ every chance it gets and I want them to stay with them as long as it take to hit them.

Both these hogs were sitting down hiding their jewels, not running.
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I love to see a hog sitting on his jewelry...because I know what it takes to make one sit down...  ;) 8)

some folks don't believe in a bay pen but a pup that is inclined to work the back end learns way faster by practicing in the bay pen...not only that but the confidence level goes up and the pup learns when to apply the pressure to try and shut the hog down...lots of kemmers have this trait...

 I do not want my dogs working the back end of a hog at all, I want them to get ahead, square up and stop them at the head of the hog like a stock dog should.

I always felt like the dog couldn't get to the front end when at a hard run and through the thick brush...I like to see the dog grab the back end and sit down like a good roping horse does...then let go and catch an ear and work the front end...but a lot of good kemmers when working alone will work the front end and as the hog tires circle to the back and start catching the back end...not saying it is the best way but it works...

Big Ben, id like to see your dogs stop a hog like that. Where are you from?

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If your cat was a run in and sit them down type dog, why cant he stop the runners on this spot??

Sounds to me ( and I'm just guessing ) that he is catching the ones under 175 that don't run, but if one runs he can't stop it...
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Dont take him there alot to rough alot ogf big boars with teeth and everytime he seems to get cut LOL. Your guess would be wrong because i watch my other dogs start a hog and run it a while then when he gets to them from what he is doing on his own the show stops so they run on my other dogs and he stops them. If you read the quote it says unless they are like my male cat.  ;D

Athens area. Do yall think that the dog at the head of the hog is the one that makes him run or the dog that is chewing on his ass?

if a hog is sitting on his nuts he isn't going to run...but if the dog is a nipper he probably will break...I have seen good back end dogs but they work the front end and only grab the back end when the hog breaks and stop the hog and then go to the front end...some of these dogs stay on the front end and will circle to the back end when the hog is wore down and start to work on the back end...the females in the kemmer breed tend to do this more so than the males...males grab the back end and then move to the front...but all these dogs will grab an ear and sit down...

Reuben how early do these kemmer pups start huntin? Sorry for the sidetrack just curious

Chewing isn't the word I'd use but if a hog is running I want my dogs to bite it. Most hogs will either turn to fight or sit down. If it ain't running I don't want my dogs putting their mouth on it.

  up here in missouri bottom is every thing with large tracks of hardwoods , steep mountains  and thick under growth bottom to me has alot to do with how hard the dog wants to find hogs for you. my strike dog is a cat x plott an there is know quit to him you can run him in front of a truck  all day an when he strikes you better bring want your going to need for the rest of the day cause hell roll out  on every hog in the group an this is wear the human body better have bottom to. ive taped out a few times on  a dog with lots of bottom up here if you catch 5 or so hogs in a day up here you will be wanting to catch that dog .

Peachcreek the ones I used to raise the majority started hunting at 6 months but mainly running with the big dogs and at 10 months some were pretty good but by 12 months most were striking pretty good...at 1.5 years all were good hog dogs...when I say all I mean all the pups I kept...

But a good kemmer is hard to come by...that is why I always breed my own dogs because I have high expectations and I don't really like pure kemmer...no more than 1/2 for me...I like large fast tracking OMCBA with no more than 1/4 to 1/2 kemmer and a touch of stock dog in there and then breed from that mix...

buddy of my had a pure kemmer gyp that was hell on wheels in the bay pen at 3 months old and was striking and running with some good dogs by 6 months old and was striking as well as his best dogs by 9 months old...she was squirrel champion bred...

I bred for early starters and dogs that could find easily and had a good winding nose as well as testing for  range...the pups I have now don't test as well as what I used to raise...they are 1/2 parker 1/2 kemmer...