EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Any of y'all have anything off of machobuck or his progency catching hogs for you? More specifically do you know of any super machobuck or machobear breedings that are up and catching already, and if so, anybody got any plans for some pups?

I know I can find out all I want to know by calling evolution kennels, but those first generation pups are way way way way out of my catchdog budget.

I know what you mean. They are pretty proud of those pups.

I would worry about dog aggression issues. Is that just me thinking that way?

It says they can be extremely dog aggressive.  It seems that most true game bred dogs have that in common, at least they have a good chance of becoming this way depending on how you, as the owner, raise them.

Some people can live with dog aggression, it's just something they are willing to deal with.

Dog aggression is relative. Every pit I've ever had has the capability of being a douche to other dogs if left to their own devices.

I personally like a case brand knife with no locking feature becuase I can get it sharp as a razor blade and know for a fact that there's nothing for me to rely on for my personal saftey except for my brain and proper knife handling technique. I feel the same about game dogs.

Their not for everybody, but the ones I've been around are focused and intelligent. Not to mention they are THE zenith of canine athleticism.

Those features are what have me putting my feelers out for a game specimen. Properly conditioned, I can be as proud to work one of them as my strike dogs, and not only will most "bite and not let go" but they have the mindset to find their mark and get it on time every time.

No matter the breed, I respect a dog who was bred on purpose, with purpose.

I definitely agree with you on this.  It's hard enough finding a decent catchdog so I've settled to looking at em much like I do my Cur dogs as far as genetics and breeding goes.

This will be my next project, and I'm anxious to see how it turns out.  I don't have near the experience with game bred dogs but I'm sure fixing to give it a whirl.  I doubt I can keep em as well muscled and as in superb shape as some of the dogs look in the pictures but I'm still doing lots of research on it.

back in the 1980's when it wasn't illegal to fight pits most pits that came out of the pound made pretty good catch dogs...even the back yard breeders had some that worked but nowadays it is harder to find a good pit...too many generations removed from the sport...those machobuck and mayday dogs look like they would hunt...and they are bred for stamina/endurance...some of those types of dogs are naturally hard muscled and with a little exercise they will look to be in top form. I like them...

This is exactly kind of game bred dog I've been looking for...I'm sure there pricey. I also worry bout dog aggression.
Anybody know what price range they run??

I priced puppies at one time a year ago and it was $1500 on the low end, and a stud fee just as much if they would even stud the dog out.  Alittle to much for me to invest in catchdogs especially the way I cull through them, and what I don't cull, a hog can get at any time.

I like a dog that is 1/2 game bred and 1/2 "yard" pit. Dogs like those have too great a tendency to be dog aggressive. What u need to do is hook up with someone who uses their pits for illegal activities and get their "cold" dogs. They make the best catch dogs.

Some lines of APBT's seem to come out of the womb wantin to fight. Others are more laid back till somethin looks them in the eye. I have run Jeep Redboy Rascal stuff for quite some time and unless you encourage them they don't look to start chit. I have hunted 2 different ones over the last 3 years and have not had dog agression issue. I have hauled them in the same trailer behind the 4 wheeler. I wouldn't let them run in the yard when they are not hunting but they are all business when huntin. Both dogs I hunted were in the 55# range. Bigger than I liked years ago but big enough for huntin. Most times this breed of dogs if raised by you will act how you expect them to act. If you got a chip on your shoulder your dog will most likely reflect that.

good post wayoutwest...I like the slender leggy 55 pounders...I have been thinking about 1/4 of this type of dog in the mt. cur...some of the mt. curs already comes with the grit...I think a few of these for running catch type dogs...

Wayoutwest,

What's your take on the Virgil blood? Pros and cons if you have any experience I would like to hear it.

Is anyone working Blackjack lines?

What's all ina machobuck.

He's got a lot of Jocko and Bolio in him if I remember right.

So is anyone using them as a catchdog? sht i wanna  know!

A friend up in Tennesse has some good Virgil blood. I like the dogs. Almost bred to XXX but it was too darn far away. Since I get to Texas a lot I bred to a pure Carver dog off Miss Kim and Little Man blood. It has made some good dogs. I run Blackjack dogs myself so I wanted a good outcross. I don't think the gal in Tennesse would put a dog in a hog hunting home tho.

which Virgil?

West how are the catch dogs I use bread?   Tdog keeps the papers for me, cause u nothing about any bulldog breading.

Woops!
I no nothing about there breading!

Gamblers Virgil

I just talked to evolution kennels he's said only 3 have ever been purchased for hog hunting from him....two were outstanding and third was also but  was too dog aggressive. Very very high prey drive.

Scott, XXX has both Virgil dogs in him. Jody, T-dogs bulldogs are scatterbred before they come to him and since he got em they are linebred catch dogs. They needed to be big and catch right to make it at his house. The have a mix of mostly Texas game dogs form way back like Freemans Preacher and some other stuff I can't recall. 

heck i breed game pits..heavy chinaman and some jeep..also have a heavy eli bred male..they arent dog aggressive unless promoted by me..which NEVER happens because i dont deal with that crap..mine even ride, sleep with, and hunt with my other dogs. they have a very very high prey drive when it comes to hunting..find and catch there own hogs..should have good pups coming up soon.

Been in a family that's kept and bred bulldogs since the 70's. Got some good blood on my own yard now to this day. One thing I gotta say  though, and this is not directed any any one person, this is a generalized statement, is that if you have a bulldog, no matter how well trained you think you have it as far as controlling dog aggression, people need to be realistic and remember that even though a bulldog may not start a fight, they can and may darn sure finish it. Even cold dogs are capable of puttin' a hurtin' on another animal if provoked. I just like people to be fully educated as to what a bulldog is capable of. I see alot of sugar coating and the whole 'it's all in how you raise them' speech, and that ain't the case. (I'm speaking soley in reference to dog aggression here.) There is ALWAYS a risk, even if minimal. I know of alot of folks that have 'cold' bulldogs that they use for catching, but I've seen even those dogs get on another dog from time to time. Not being completely honest and realistic does nothing for the breed.

I AGREE...

Been around and bred bulldogs for close to 30 yrs now and I will tell you one thing never ever leave one unsupervised around other dogs are kids it makes no difference how they are bred.  Its in them and if something provokes it to come out its on thats just all it is to it .  Trusting a bulldog with good sense is one thing but trusting one and not using good common sense will end up in disaster .  Usually the more scatter bred they are are junk bred and they have never made a false move the first time you trust them fully is when things go really bad never do it .  The better bred they are the more stable they are but I still would never trust one fully are leave it unsupervised at all.

To add to the above post: NO dogs should ever be left unspervised with kids, no matter what the breed.....

The old school, game bred  pits,, u could leave with your newborn, human aggression wasnt tolerated, if a dog  got excited and nipped a handler, it was culled. You never had issues with pits bothering people until pits went "GHETTO''. Sorry, I aint trying to stir no pots, but u cant solve a problem til u recognize that there is a problem , then you can figure out how to fix it. When u get people breeding Neo Mastiff with pits, then, start scatterbreeding for color, shortness, thickness, with no thought of function, then take these dogs that are no longer culled for temperment,, then on top of all that, u got idiots  of all colors with their pants hanging below their butts and using a "gator mouf" pit to project how bad THEY are, and directing the dogs drive to get after people,,, well no wonder there are so many bad endings involving pits. The gutless politicos wont address the problem, instead, they pass blanket laws against all pits, assuming all pits are guilty,,, i'll get off my soapbox, but the whole "bad pit" thing irks me.  At this point in time, i agree , never leave any kid alone with any dog.... Man ,, how did us old folks survive as kids, our dogs purdy much baby sat us growing up.

MrsLa. Hogdog You are absolutely correct on that. I wish I could let my bulldogs run but I can't seem to make myself unsnap that leash. I've had a couple go after my wifes horses years ago and it wasn't pretty. They really aren't like other dogs. It is not that I don't trust mine around people or other dogs but I am gonna be there. Period

well i guess i have better tighter bred pits..my female is kenneled with another dog..i guess i trust too much. i just havent had the problem with the dog aggression with them..sucks some of yalls cant stay with other dogs. im not scared to say i trust mine a lot. maybe ill be proven wrong eventually.

We had a son of Frisco/Grandson of Chinaman and a daughter of Rapid Roy here that could hang out together on the couch all day. They could be together at times, but when it was chow time, they had to be seperated or all hell would break lose. It is rare, but it happens. So to say yours are 'better' bred is null and void in this case in point. Did we kennel them together unsupervised? NEVER. With these dogs, they can be raised together, etc. etc. and knocked upside the head or whatever it is folks do to 'discourage' dog aggression/genetics all you want, but it can take something as simple as one of the dogs THINKIN they spot somethin edible on the ground and it's game over. I can count clients on on more than both hands over the years that had 'bulldog' type dogs, raised together/lived together for x amount of years, that had to bring bloody dogs in for us to suture up due to some 'unexplainable' spat. You just never know. If that is a risk you/whomever wants to take, then that's completely your business, but we all know what the likely outcome would be if something triggered a spat between your bulldog type dog and it's kennel mate. Hell we don't even keep the Bull Terriers kenneld together here. It's about being fully aware of your dog's capabilities, and being proactive. Accidents happen. That's nice that thus far you've never had an issue, and hopefully it stays that way for you. I trust my bulldogs too, with people, but not with other dogs, no matter how mellow or tolerable they may seem. Contrary to some folks' beliefs, ya can't whoop the genetics out of a dog. They are what they are.

oh yes i know what you mean..one mine cant be kenneled with others...but its a male dominance issue i cant stand. now with me saying that i do cull if a the others have even  one sign of aggression..even what i think is a growl. im hoping i dont run into the problem with aggression..i said the bred better thing because someone mentioned the better bred the more stable..not just saying mine are better lol im hoping nobody took my post as offensive or anything...and yeah i trust my pitbulls WAY more around people than other dogs..esp strange new dogs..i guess its just mine heck idk lol and i do know of a friend who had his pits put a beating on his dog... them two males had a hating for eachother ha but since then culling has been done...i think if people did cull more people aggressive pits though there wouldnt be such a bad rep...heck even people reading threw these posts are going to be terrified of pits when i think there is no reason to be. there was a story about a baby and a pit the other day...BUT what they added in the end was that the dang dog had bitten multiple people before. its bad.

In my years with this breed I have talked more people out of this breed than I ever did into it. It isn't for everyone. If you can get away with kenneling 2 of em, more power to you. I have absolutely no tolerance for human aggression at my place. I don't have much dog aggression because I don't get them together much except in controlled situations.