EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

and why that cross

A good Yeller dog to a good Yeller gyp.

Cause you should get another GOOD Yeller dog! 
 
 ;D

Yellow and catahula long leg and can also help catch

LOL I'd have to second that yellowblackmask.

Finished dog off proven line crossed with a finished dog off a proven line!

What i win?  ;D

A bird/bull. A bird dog crossed with a pit. If u breed a well bred bird dog and a gamey pit I guarantee that you'll produce hog dogs , guaranteed. Usually good winders and trailers plus plenty come out real rough.

I'm true with my cur / walker cross.
She the baddest I think around.

And them true working dogs off old lines.
Not yells dogs only.

Gottacatchem
Richard elfrez got a set of dogs that prove them selfs.
If u ask what they bread.
They just working dogs.

I will have to say I have seen quite a few people go get a birdog from a quail hunting outfit that they didn't want and breed that dog to a pit and have made some fine hog dogs. Like buddy said I have never known of at least a couple to make decent dogs. Typically German short hairs and English elhew pointers.

I have to agree on the bird dog.  A good GSP will add nose, prey drive and energy to any breed.  I owned a pure GSP that was a great strike dog only thing he was lacking in was bottom.  I currently have an 18 month male out of him and a rough YBMC gyp, that is burning the woods down for his age. Hard to go wrong with good GSP blood.  GSP breeders historically are probably the most discipled working dog breeders ever. I know that's a bold statement, but just do the research on the breed and you'll see what I'm talking about.

The best cross i have ever seen was a 1/2 cur 1/2 plott

X2 or 1/2 cur 1/2 redbone

ive got a 3/4 kemmer 1/4 pit that is the best dog on my yard winds tracks infinite bottom his dam is half and half also a real good dog (they are both yellow)lol

a proven kemmer crossed with a proven kemmer

get you a good plott hound to a good yella cur. best of both worlds

Go with a bird dog, crossed to a plott. Then get a Airedale and cross it with a redbone then cross those pups up again. Then get you a couple well bred curs and rent a backhoe to dig a big hole
And bury all the bird,hound,Airedale,redbone mutts and their parents...

How bout some well bred Cur dogs that are actually hog dogs. That way when you breed a hogdog to a hogdog, it helps create a few more hogdogs.

It's a proven fact hound crosses are superior to straight cur dogs!

I think lots and lots of folks agree with you and that's just fine. I hope almost all hog hunters start chasing after hybrid vigor. There are some truly incredible hound cross dogs out there, but the trick to em is consistently bad ace well bred dogs on both sides of the tree.

I have a feeling that in a private conversation you and I would both agree that most average crosses are crap bred to crap that may produce 1 flash in the pan, with the rest of the litter being just more crap average dogs.

GSP x YBMC

I agree with you TBob. Im not gonna lie I wished i had a yard full of yellow cur dogs that were top notch hog dogs. I personally have never had the opportunity to hunt with such dogs. So im not saying their not out there as im sure they are. But i have witnessed what i call the best hog dogs i have seen and had the pleasure of hunting behind and they are crosses. These dogs in my eyes are exceptional in all phases of the hunt and will quickly make you take a long look at what kind of dog's your hunting. They will also make you think twice about what you call a hog dog. I know i have culled a lot of dogs since hunting with these dogs!

Just wondering where I can find this proven fact?

I just told you its right there in the quote! But if you have to have proof of the original its on the first page of this thread.

I saw plenty of opinions on the first page...saw no scientific evidence that would make your assertion a "proven fact". Where can I find the information that makes it a "proven fact"?

Good cur to good cur. Most lines of cur dogs have already got some hound bred into them years ago.

Hell science dont have anything to do with this.

a hog dogxpot licker  ;D  :o  rolleyes

Haha.

Dang boys.....we getting a lil far out here on a perfectly level limb.

Put a goodun to a goodun..your choice ....and measure em with a sharp shovel ...and hit the jungle. 
That's truly as simple as it is.

Just make sure when ya hit em its.....Yeller to Yeller.   :o

LOL. J/K..........a lil.  :angel:

by far the best dog I ever had came from my back yard and he was 1/2 mt. cur and 1/2 bmc..started my line of dogs off of him but only bred him once once and his son 3/4 mt. cur was used quite a bit in the breeding pen with pure mt. cur bred to him as well as his sons to pure mt. curs....

but it is hard to say what to cross breed with because there are so many chit eaters in every breed...just make sure you have a good logical reason as to why you want to cross breed...

I am basically doing this one more time and this time I am using 1/2 kemmer mt. cur with 1/2 parker cur and then breed that back to a male that is basically from my old line of dogs..this will make 3/4 mtn cur and 1/4 parker and then I will breed back towards that male from my old line...but I will try and retain what I like from the parker line...

He asked about a cross. A bird/bull is a PROVEN cross. I'm willing to say that the average bird/bull cross will throw better pups than any other cross and breedings of straight cur dogs.

There are a few good crosses to do. It really depends what type of dog you like to hunt. The bird/bull cross is good for a very rough athletic dog with some nose. I am going with a proven female Fl Cur to a proven Weems bred Plott male. The Fl Cur is a silent, medium range, rough, athletic dog, and the Plott is a semi silent, long range, rough dog. They both produce game by themselves. Then I will breed those dogs from that breeding that prove themselves back to a Fl Cur male that is a silent, medium range, all catch.

I've never had any dealings with bird/bulls but if that was the case and it was proved to me then I'd cull the Cur dogs I was using and start over.  A well bred proven line of Cur dogs should just about be hard to top. I doubt the average dogs out of the cross would be any better then the average Cur dogs, but then peoples opinions of average differ majorly.

Agree 10000000%

Consider the can of worms......opened!!!!!!

Yee Haw !!

Best cross I seen and hunted behind was half ybmc quarter black Catahoula eighth  red nose pit eighth plott hound

  well i just looked at this thread today because i knew what would happen to it  lmao  . but i'll give you my scientific evaluation on the matter .
 


           WHEN BREEDING DOGS TO HUNT IT DON'T MATTER WHAT BREED , JUST MAKE SURE YOU HAVE HUNT IN THE DOGS YOU WANT TO BREED  .

 this dog crossed on that dog don't meen nothing if the dogs being crossed don't click , even true with pure bred sho-nuff hog dogs        every first time cross is a crap shoot till the offspring are proven . me i like hound cur crosses simply to put a little more nose and leg on them cur dogs . but i'm not stuck in just breeding hog dogs i wan't the dogs to excell on any game givin them . if it wasn't for that i'd just run leggy catahoula's and be done with it .

Catdo
Catahoula x Dogo
Rough dog can run all night and day and has lots of drive. No need for a lead in catch dog when the Catdo does it all. I still like to run my pure breed Catahoulas though.

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X3 thats what my two best are

I c no one even mentioned patterdales or jadgs.  ???

All bs'n and jokin aside I do agree with what you wrote in all caps Mr. Whitten. Pretty much sums it up.

I had 2 out of creekmore blood that were burnin the woods down at an early age and I think that had I kept them that the better of the 2 would be my number 1 dog today. We were expectin our first, i was laid off at the time and I was offered WAY more then I could turn down for em.......biggest mistake ive made hunting wise but at the time it was a hard but easy decision, family first!

Plott x Cat

How's he doin now Justin?

Just askn cuz i was thnkn about tryn one or two of them myself. I have a gsp that burns the woods down also but he is abt 3 yrs old now and still hasnt found any hogs that i kno of except for when i had him in a training pen a couple times when he was younger so i guess hes just running all about i really dnt know if i shuld give him more time to mature or git shed of him. He loves a hog and is pretty rough with them and wuld b of dam good use if he was around most of the time when we bayed but he usually a mile or so off sumwhere just running around. Really need a good fast rough dog that will stay with my bmc gyp on all these darn runners we been gitn on lately. Anyways jus blabbin on done got way off subject sorry guys

A hound  b/t, walker and bay dog cat/curr just with a hound you will have lots of range.

I got rid of em, haven't talked to the guy i sold him to lately but id almost guarantee that he is still a huntin machine.

3/4cat 1/4hound can't go wrong with that them yellowdog can't wind like a cat cross can
Just my thought