EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

What's everyone's opinion on a breed to get through thickets and brush good? I have dogs that will hammer hogs in open fields or clear woods but in brush just cant keep up. I had a heeler that was a machine, anyone heard of that?LOL

Good cur dogs of all colors have been doing it for more than 200 years in the southern U.S. Pick a color and find a good family of dogs that will get it done.

Boom.

That's the ticket.

And if they can't do it how you want and in the terrain you hunt, then cull them.

Get you some dogs from South Texas, that's pretty much all there is around here, brush, brush and more brush wait and thickets!

I hunt 4 dogs at a time and that's all, a lacy, red cur,a cat or hound depending on where I hunt, and my tank. They are all to big to get through the brush.

well bred mt. curs...

Who has some pups?

I hunt 4 gyps, all under 45 lbs.  Three plotts and one cat.  No problems baying and staying in the brush.  If the hogs break, my smaller dogs dont usually have a problem getting around.  In my opinion, size with the grit to stay in a thicket is more important than breed.

I've never hunted South Texas, or where you hunt, but Lacys are not big dogs by their standards.  Are you sure your dogs are worth feeding if they can't get it done?

I'm not hammering on you or being a smarta$$, just a question to make you step back and re-analyze your dogs and the standards you hold for em, and stop making excuses for them.

My lacy weighs about 60 to 70 pounds, its not that I'm not catching pigs at all its just Im wanting to know a small to med size breed that is gritty and athletic. I usually don't cut my pit loose red and blue catch once they are together.

it ain't the size of the dog in the fight , it's the size of the fight in the dog .... that applies to alot of situations - with animals and people .

So mt curs?

Can't believe no one brought up one of my personal favorite breeds, i call em thicket pirahnna's

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Ive been all over texas and the thickest woods ive ever hunted have been in the E/ SE region. Jagds terriers are amazing in the thick woods.

Ya'll all know I love them yella dogs and I've got a yard full of em but there are a few places i prefer a couple good jagds.

What's the difference between them and pats?

You beat me to it Justin. A good Jagdterrier.

Check out this video, we were chasing this pigs for a while.  They were hunkered in a brush cave.  Please excuse the language. It was so thick I was running into broken mesquite branches.
Check out this video on YouTube:

http://youtu.be/mMrc42RIdUE

Where can I get 2 pups?

I hate to break it to ya pal but a 100% lacy doesn't weigh 60-70 lbs

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Blue is male and 44 lbs
Female is tri color and 34 they both meet standard on height and weight. A lacy at MOST is suppose to weight 50 lbs and that's top end. Might wanna check your lineage on that dog... Not to be rude but honest

Oh I believe you, the guy said he might have cur in him cause he didn't know whether his lacy male or bmc got to his lacy gyp. I just say he is lacy cause his looks he is just taller.

Got ya, between the lacy and what Justin has told me about jagds I d have one or the other or both if possible. Lol

I live in north la and we catch em in some thickest stuff u can imagine. When u have em caught and have to literally crawl to get to em. I got 2 dogs that are around 50-60lb and one small one around 30lb. As long they stay together its usually caught hog

i have some mt cur pups 6 months old

i have mt cur but would love a jagd or 2

Some dogs will hit the briars and thickets running hard trying to catch up, oblivious to the pain of the thorns ripping them. Thats called heart. Some dogs slow down and pick their way through the thick stuff or go around it while the hog gets farther and farther ahead. Lack of Heart is the reason some dogs get outrun, don't bay many big boars, and are not good find dogs because they won't hunt the thick stuff. It dosn't matter if he's 25 or 75 lbs. without the heart.

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little gritty kemmer bitch no problems in any terrain

I would love to hunt with curs that would hit the brush and thicket as hard as the patterdales & patXpit dogs i've hd. I am not saying they are not there, i just havent see it. These little buggers are nothing if not full of heart....in the right line of course

a cur dog that doesn't hit the thick brush is not breed worthy...a good cur will go deep in the thickest brush to bay a hog that ran in and laid low...

Well I run two ybmc on the ground at a time and one of them is always my male dog which is around 80 p
Lbs and my gyp is prolly 45-50 and by no means am I saying mine are the best but I hunt them any where from Houston to the Toledo bend redivide and there is every thing from palmetto thickets to pine thickets that a rabbit couldn't go through in between there and to two big dogs will run the hoofs off of a hog in either terrain not bashing small dogs I'm just saying that big dogs can get the job done to in that thick stuff

I completely agree, i'd like to hunt behind some

I agree 100%.

Well if someone has some jagd out mnt cur pups send me a text. 9032928718. My dogs caught a decent boar today but had to stab it from the top of the thicket after 20 mins of climbing over the top. It was an adrenaline rush the whole time!!

Gotta go with Bigo on this one. If it ain't broke dont fix it. 

If somebody is representing a thicket dog that ain't missing half the hair from its face and wire brush scratches on the inside of the ears.......keep walking boyz. 

Illl try to load some pics of my dogs, they have bald spots and scratches all over their heads, my red dogs ears get worse then anything.

 lol i had to laugh at the wire brush scratches on the ear thing . that's what the old beagle dog traders would do to sell a dog was scratch the dogs ears up and tell people looking to buy one . [ yeah they run rabbits just look at them ears ] lol

Oooh gotcha. I'm in school still so I'm just starting up a new crew. My neibors poisoned both finished teams I had and only one lived. Decon rat poison killed 9 dogs over night.

Yep. Walked many a mile flipping ears in the old canton dog yard on hounds years ago.
It was always a funny conversation when a trader had tore up ears and show quality head and chest area. 

Canton tx? Or?

Yes sir.  Wouldn't buy a collar there now much less a hunting dog. Just end up with a parvo stricken heel hound with papers. Lol.

There was a time when a few decent dogs drifted through there.   FEW ! 

I'm right next to Canton, in Grand Saline. I've bought 1 dog and she had parvo when I got her home, but she ran the woods after that.

Its still a good time. I go every once in awhile and listen to some dog trader lies just for kicks.

Back to the thicket dogs. Alot of truth can be obtained really fast on a represented dog that hunts it's rear off and you verify it by missing hair on face, chest and inside the ears. The hard hitters will almost look like the have mange with the missing spots of hair. Also look for old scars in the soft tissue areas. That will help with the wire brush tricksters. Chances are they haven't had them long enough to try it more than once.

True working thicket dogs look the part.

Do you live close to Canton? I need some to hunt with, I have a few spots to hit, just don't like going alone.

The first good mt. curs I got that I knew were the right dogs for me came out of San Antonio from a man named AC Zoeller...so I give the credit to him and another man named HB White from Atoscosa not far from there...Both men are dead now but the dogs they kept were pretty good and of good size...Some of the mt. curs of today are small eared spindly legged and fiesty looking are are used for close range squirrel dogs...

Those dogs from those 2 men were larger and looked more like plott crossed with bmc...the dogs were more like the old time mt. cur and at those times most called the plott hounds plott curs back in those times...

I bought 6 1/2 grown pups from AC Zoeller and I asked him which was the best one and he pointed out a black pup with brown brindle trim...I liked a couple red pups with big blocky heads and houndy ears with a good length of ear...I took these pups to the marsh and they were swimming in the salt water and hunting in the reeds...I knew I had the right dogs right about then...I had these pups out on a hunt and the black and brindle opened up and he and the others went in the thick briar patch and out the other end a rabbit runs out and the dogs in pursuit...I was on cloud nine because these dogs were track dogs and heavy brush wasn't going to stop them...They struck a hog and ran him for 3 or 4 hours before we caught him and there was no doubt in my mind about this line of dogs...HB White had mostly Texas Smoke bred dogs and he eventually sold me and old 3/4 Texas Smoke bitch that I got 2 litters from...AC Zoeller went to a world hunt in Tennessee and bought all his dogs under the tree and also he made sure that some he bought were winners in the swim competition...That black pup with the brindle trim was one of the best I had...he just opened too much on track...I bred some of that out of them but to me that is the type of dog that will go wherever a hog will go to stop and bay it...

Those 2 men got me going in the right direction back then...