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While we're on this topic of barr hogs... does anyone know the folks putting this contest on? I know barr hogs were allowed in it last year, as all the hogs went to help feed the hungry.

I would hate to think that they could be "swayed" not to allow barrs this year... as they are right in the middle of barr hog country.

Maybe someone could invite them to join our discussion and let them know how their "constituents" feel?

I know them pretty well.  I spoke with the president of the board of directors for their tournament today as a matter of fact. 

..... No barrs in the stringer.

But you can enter a barr side pot! :-)

 Here we go again.

Mike it seems the lobbiest for the 'democratic' side of hog hunting has already been at work and beat us to the punch


Sore losers sure are tough to beat when they are persistant at whining about Barr hogs

I've got one last question on this subject. Can we atleast hunt neutered dogs ? I realize that they have been altered from their natural state and therefore fall into the " BARRED DOG " class and could possibly give a team an unfair advantage because they are strictly concentrating on hunting instead of running around pissing on every bush and trying to fight the other male dogs. I mean come on, there still just a dog and some of them even got barred by a hog ! ;) >:D Just trying to add a little laughter to this long and strenuous fight !  ;D :angel:

What a loss for Gator Country.


You're damn right here we go again. This going behind closed doors and trying to get the contests to change their existing rules is ridiculous!

Look at the uproar it's caused with the TDHA contest... one that has ran just fine all these years with barrs included. Hopefully the TDHA will see the light and realize what a huge loss of support there will be if that is changed.

Gator Country is right in the heart of big barr hog country. Nearly 100% of it's contestants will be locals hoping to catch big barrs to win. I say nearly, because evidently one team isn't from around here.;)  Side pots... nobody enters hoping to win the side pot. You don't go to the Olympics hoping to win bronze.... you go for the gold!

Like I said, what a loss for Gator Country.... there will a lot of pissed off people when they find out the "new" rules.

You guys are looking at this all wrong.  There were very few barrs (2 at most) brought in last year at the contest.  The Gator Country board is a democratic process and votes were taken on all decisions.  Mike, I was not even a voting member of that board.  The rules have already been published are not going to change.

There is no secret conspiracy going on.  There was an open invitation to all hunters to be a part of the planning process for this particular tournament.  And if someone was willing to DONATE their time, they could have been a part of it.

 Instead of people helping on the front end, what I see happening is people complaining on the back end.  There are lots and lots of opportunity for ANYONE to become engaged with their local tournament and help out.  Or, become a BOD for the TDHA.  They're always looking for a few good men.

I have a hard time with people who just sit back and complain on the back end without showing any interest on the front end.

Josh, if "YOU" would not have approached all these contest organizers to fit "YOUR" HDTT format... none of this would have ever been an issue.

Obviously Mike.  So what's the real issue?  Because there are lots of other tournaments that allow barrs in the stringer.  You can enter in them all you want.  My trail (and some of the tournaments) has a special set of parameters that doesn't allow barrs in the stringer.  You don't have to participate if you object.  But your welcome to. :-)

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Well I have a hard time with people sending me a MSG asking me to call them so they can talk to me & decide if my opinion is worthy of their consideration!!     Then trying to tell me that they no I don't comp hunts because I  don't  have the resources to win!   Like you are special because you have your own pack of hog dogs, and a custom built hog dog trailer!   "wooho"   Am I suppose to be impressed?    That I lack the dogs, country to hunt, or that I don't have any hogs to catch because I have over hunted the few places I have.   This is what you told me on our phone conversation......
This is a poor way to represent your self or tdha or anyone........
If you are representing these events I will not be part of them...   I don't comp hunt by choice, I hunt for pleasure!     But I would like very much to show you my lack of resources, and see your custom built trailer, and your pack of dogs, and your abundant hunting land!   So bring your trailer, and dogs, and $$$ and we will see just who is lacking resources!   Then we can go to your places and you can pay me again at the end of the day!     You hunt your dogs, I'll hunt my soup hounds... Bring your pack not your buddies & I'll do the same...  I don't care If we hunt 1 dog or 6.    But you better bring your " A" game!
Then maybe you will think harder before you talk down to others!     When I talked to you I tried very hard to be politically correct, but the more I think about it the more upset it makes me.

If that's the case why change the rule? I think your missing the point. Guys that have barrs on their places can't just tell their dogs not to catch the barrs that weekend. If they do happen to get on a Barr that takes them across the country and cost them 6 hours to catch him. Then they don't get anything out of it except being screwed for the weekend. Let's see what happens when a few of those guys who are crying about barrs being allowed, end up having that situation happen and waste a half a day and get all their dogs wrecked to catch a big nasty barr, and it all be for a side pot... awesome. I bet their feelings on the matter might change then. If someone wants to groom the competition to make the rules give them a better chance, are they  really the best. Heck why not just hand out hog dogger of the year buckles to everyone who enters so no one's feelings get hurt when they get beat by those who are truly the best. Not just the best at winning under certain circumstances.

With all that said I'm merely a outsider looking in and have no ties here, but I've kept up with all these threads and this is what I've gathered.

Small world....   Just had a fella come in my office out of the blue.  He's a hog dogger, and asked if I was hunting the Gator Country hunt.  Told him that I would not be, and that there seems to be an uproar over them not allowing barr hogs to enter the main stringer, just a side pot.   He wasn't aware of it, and said that his brother sits on the board that makes the decisions, and rattled off the name of the man that puts on the contest.   He's out in his truck now, talking to them on the phone to see just what in the hell is going on...   Probably won't change anything, but at least they will know the hunt may suffer on the poor decision to comply with the HDTT requirements.

I'm sorry your so upset Jody.  I appreciate how passionate you are about our sport.  If we could just channel your motivation and intensity toward anti-dog hunters we would all be in a world of good.  ;-)

My trail and the associated tournaments are not meant to divide us as dog hunters.  What's that old saying "change doesn't come easy".   Quit a few people have expressed their disapproval of my rule format.  But no matter how you lay out any kind of rules, your going to have the "Jody's" out there that passionately object.

Jody, I'll be at the Lexington tournament next year, and all my dogs and gear will be there too.  We can meet and shake hands. And you can see just how harmless I am.  Try and not let this ruin your day bud.

And this may be something that some of y'all are missing...

Even if a tournament allows barrs in the stringer, my HDTT can still participate at the event.  The East Fork tournament in Splendora is a shinning example.  Alan is pro-Barr and always will be.  If any of the hunters in my trail hunt that tournament, only the 3 non-Barr hogs will be weighed in for my trails purposes.  So there is no infringement of my trail on any of the tournaments.  My trail simply is there to record non-Barr weights outside of anything the tournament has planned.

That means, if Gator Country (or any other tournament) chooses to have barrs in the stringer, it would have zero impact on my trail.  My trail and each tournament are completely separate entities.

Apparently Obama has gotten into the hog dog world. He has convinced some to buy into his agenda, take from those who have barrs and give to those who don't. It's called socialist hog dogging, those who have worked long and hard to have something must give it up for those who don't have the opportunity or care to try to have it. Sounds like a great government program! Kinda like welfare. Lol just trying to lend a laugh to a tense topic.

(Texasj) i call you and told you, that you are running into a wall. I think you just hit it buddy, and it didn't move. Your putting water on a grease fire. Hog hunting is not like fishing for red fish. The way to go with it if you don't like barr hogs . Set it up like a coon hunt. First stike, you call your dog,see the hog. Two hunters one dog each, cast at the same time. That way you dont have to be so scared of what old (Cward) turns in. lol that all you talk about was him. So what the man know what pach of woods a hog stays in. That tells me he scout ,and looks at hog sign.

So that means that last years winner ( big e ) wont have as good a chance at winning this year, because you know what kind of Barr hogs they are capable of bringing in ( even though they won it last year without em ) and banning them gives you a better chance to win your own tournament...

Definately shouldn't be called " best of the best " .... " best of the rest " maybe...

If you can't beat em ban em!!!

It would be a conflict on interest if I entered.  I believe the word is "coersion".

I entered last year but that was only because there were hardly any entries!

I dont even get to hunt these tournaments but really what pbrain comes up with the idea of banning barrs anyway. Hogs a hog sow boar Barr doesn't matter. Dogs still have to bay it still gotta catch it and get it tied. No less work than one still intact. Hopefully the places the person that came up with this idea gets to hunt will be loaded with them so easy to catch barrs and will find out how easy to catch they are.

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Better hope they're easy to catch.

The rules are being changed to compliment mediocre dog work and poor sportsmanship, so I'd hate for em to get on a bad hog.  Heck the ones the rules are getting changed for may not even be able to enter a hog if they get on any bad ones.

Heck I was thinking about dropping a trailer load of barrs out on their hunting spots day before the contest... Since they just stay right there like cows anyways!!  ;D

But then again, a HOG dog shouldn't be bayin no tame Barr anyways... That's almost as bad as catching a skunk...  :P

I have no interest in this post myself but was browsing down threw the thread and had to say a word about Jody and his dogs and resources .

Texas,  I know Jody pretty well and the dogs he hunts and the Buddy's he hunts and most of his resources  hell I have hunted with his dogs myself .  I can tell you first hand he does not hunt the torments much are at all but I can assure you it is at his on choice and not because of the lack of dogs are resources .  I don't hunt torments myself don't like them never will don't like big crowds myself and to many ways to cheat and to much brother in lawin going on but thats just my opinion .  To each his on.

I will say what I know as fact about Jody and his dogs and resources.

Just because a man is quite and may not have a big name does not mean in any way he has lesser dogs are lesser resources to hunt as a matter of fact these are the kinds of people and their dogs that will hand a person pride back to them in a brown paper bag.


Sounds like you got called to me I could not believe it when I saw it because this is not Jody's nature at all LOL.  Noting wrong with that all I can say is  just come with a double A game because when it is over "win loose are draw" am sure you are going to have a new respect for Jody and his dogs and resources.

Hope nobody takes this the wrong way but just giving Texas a heads up on a quite Ole country boy packing some damn nice dog hardware !

Can't add much more to that Jimmy, Ive also hunted with Jody and his dogs and Like Jimmy said better bring your DOUBLE A GAME!!!!

The one thing Jody didn't mention from our conversation was this...

"It takes a lot of resources to hunt multiple tournaments...."
And I discussed that lots of hunters have a difficult time composing all the resources to ACTUALLY compete on a multi-tournament level.  The resources we discussed were
1) dogs
2) land to hunt
3) hogs
4) money

And most importantly, what Jody and my conversation included (also emphasized) was
5) TIME!!!!

These are serious logistic issues that hunters all face.  If we all had Infiniti resources, we could all participate.  But by reviewing the requirements, we are able to lessen the burden and that fosters more involvement!  That's what my point of the conversation was.  And my inquiry into his personal situation was to learn more about him, find out what constraints keep him from entering, and work through those issues to see if there was a way in which he could possible participate in the Trail.  

That's the main thought process behind my decisions on format.  How can I create a larger contestant base???  You guys are still looking at one little detail and not the complexity of the overall obstacles.

5) TIME!!!!!

This is why a barr hog should be allowed!

It takes time that we would lose if our dogs got on a running barr hog that we could not get back.

6). Hunting rig / Equipment

Hog dogging on the road requires proper transportation both in the field and on the highway.  Proper care for all your dogs is essential.  Proper handling of hogs is also a technicality.

7). Helpers

Extra set of hands is also an important resource when traveling on a team.

Sounds to me like someone wants to win his own buckle so he can give himself a pat on his own back! Why cant people leave a good thing the f alone?

This type of crap is what has been messing our country up for years..... Tooooo many rules

I'm not entering my own Trail.  Consider this my gift to hog hunters. 

And I already know that "Haters are going to Hate" lol.

TEXASJ    Now your talking about yourself. You hated on turning in barrs. Fancy rigs and money don't find hogs. Jody calls you out and all you can talk about is your rig. So what, put all that money behind your dog's. Let's see if you have what it take.

That's what tournaments are for!  To get out there and compete!  :-)

O BOY we have a crawfish with a fancy rig and alot of money. LOL

I'm not talking about a team of hunters & their dogs...... I want you & your dogs!

Just enough reason for me not to enter either contest!

Thats a call out if I ever seen one!!

Guys,
    This thread is supposed to be a discussion about the Gator Country hunt, not a who's is bigger pissing contest...

I understand that people are frustrated, but chest pounding, and breaking out rulers won't help anything... A respectable dialogue will go much further.

Sounds like even less entries this year.

Mike, Cward since this trail seems to be falling apart why not just start your own?  Sounds like yall will already have plenty of support.

** Side note **  I have never hunted a tourney so don't really have a dog in the fight.  I would like to start hunting a couple and enjoy the sport and a lil friendly competition at the same time.  I don't mean to ruffle any feathers but I don't see the issue with barrs but I do see an issue with taking action against all of your supporters.  If you go out of your way to continue to flat out piss off all the people who hunt in HDTT then it probably won't last much longer...just my 2 cents.

I just talked with Gary at gator country he told me no bars...  He said he will have aweird pot for them but that doesn't work for me. I hate to see this coming to tournaments seems my tournament days are over if I can't weigh no bars. We spend many years cutting hogs on some of our properties ...  I believe a hog is a hog long as it is in the wild and not been released within the last 14 days ...

I don't catch any barrs hardly ever so does that mean I don't have any good dogs? Barrs are no harder to catch than any other hogs so why is the discussion of who's dogs are better even come up in this thread but I will say its harder for us guys in Brazoria and matagorda counties to catch hogs sometimes because of the palmettos I have seen a lot of really good dogs get burned by a 150 lb hog and even smaller

Wow I hate to see this one change as he is in true Barr country. I can put a sure enough good tournament together. I do not and will not threaten another tournament with mine. I would move it to another weekend.  Its not right for me to compete with the tdha. I would still like to see there final ruling.  I don't like the rule but I got mad yesterday and stepped below the person I am so I kinda got quit about things and careful what I post out of anger.

Sorry to all that it came to that. It was because old (Texasj) told my buddy to call him, and he told jody that he didn't know him and he didn't have the places,dogs,money, fancy rig, and a big name on the forum. Then tells him that he's no one to him. That's why it came to this. If you call some one and they tell you this it would p anyone off.  

when is gator country flyer gonna b posted with all the info?

its a PETA inside job tryin to break everything apart lol

 The easiest way to get the rules changed is don't enter where you don't like the rules and enter where you do. The ones putting on the contest will either get back in line or quit. One year should do it. It just seems funny to me that the old majority rules is out the window.

Thats the whole thing right there I keep coming back to after reading allllllllllllll of the posts about barrs in comps.  Just dont enter!  They will get the picture!

I am totally with you Jason.