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I'd like to hear from some guys that have stoppers. What breed are they? Crosses? Full Blood? Male? Female? Now I'm not talkin bout RCD's or just rough dogs that try and catch everything. I'm talkin bout dogs that will sit a hog down and then back off and bay.

Comin up I was around hunters that had Sho nuff butt chewers. As of right now i have two sisters hunting, they show promise and they SHOULD end up being ruff dogs, which is fine but they may even end up catchy, which i really don't want. I can't really say I have a dog hunting right now that's a butt chewer, but I DO have a brother sister pair I'm gonna be puttin in the woods come February that have shown me what I'm lookin for in this category.

Tell me about 'em Ladies and Gentlemen.

we always called it brakes.  but it sure is a cool thing to watch i have oned two gyps at differant times that would sure nuff
bit one in the butt in then jump back in bay.
i watched one gyp bay a boar one night for about an hour just to see how long she could hold him
it was like she was playing with him. the hog could not touch her.
yea i think stoppers w/ bottom is the best kind to hunt

What was she Cody?

red cur dog

i had a small walker gyp that was prominate for chewing boars nuts off. she was real quick and hardly got caught

Little Ginger will sure enough eat the a$$ outta one 
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Pretty good video ole hog tried to take off .

Red dog is half plott half cur .....Horn

Handle-It ........The black dog is Briar at a young age with Horn.


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Am sorry here is the link.

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Thats whats up ol Horn is a bad dude. Hope u wind up having some extra pups out of him so i can snag one.

Looks like ol' Horn busted the bay! ;D

Lol kinda what it looks like huh.

That's what I'm talkin bout! GRAB THAT BUTT!

 >:D

busted it then saved it! :D

I use dogs that stop the hog by catching it. They might have to fight the hog alittle bit to get them in the right position to catch, but they are Stoppers !!!
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Size does not really matter either!!
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Yup he wanted to catch him bad,  smaller hogs like that he will most the time catch bigger boar hogs he is backed off but still tight  till they one takes off then its just like he done it in that video .  I got a really really good video of a big big boar hog  but I cannot remember the damn password to get to it .  If I do I will put it on here one of my favorites we ever took.

Not the same. I'm talkin bout sit em down and bay dogs. It's the experience I want. I want to see the dogs work, not just run to a squeal every time. Just different styles.

Dogs that continue to just harrass the hog and bite and let go will make the hog break as you saw in the video. Yes they stopped him again but he was a small hog. Bigger ones will just run off.

Maybe I didn't make my statement clear originally. I'm talking about a dog that, once the hog is bayed (sets up for the first time), the dog/s will sit back and bay until the hog tries to break. At that point the dog will put teeth to ham, make the hog set up again and back up and bay. I got nothing against your dogs or your style of hunting, it's just not what I want.

As for bigger ones running off, nah....big hog, small hog, makes no difference with the kind of dog I'm talking about. If a dog grabs a boar hog by the nuts he's gonna stop running, spin and fight. Can't convince me otherwise. I've seen it to many times.

I like it brother! Exactly what I'm talking about!

I've seen just as many hogs catch another gear and leave the dogs in the dust as i have ones that chose to stop fight.

When the "stop" in the dog doesn't work... you better hope the "bottom" end does.

Of course i want bottom as well. I don't want to seem argumentative, just make sure I understand what your saying. Your talking about a hog leaving the dogs behind after breaking bay I believe. What I'm saying is...what I am striving for are dogs that will put teeth to nuts, every time they see them. MAKE the hog stop and turn and then back off and bay. Not just one dog but all of them. I've NEVER seen a hog leave the county with a dog attached to his jewells.

The only way a dog can stop a hog is to catch him before he runs. After a hog breaks in the piney woods its too late for nut chewing.

I respectfully disagree. If a hog is bayed solid, say 4 dogs, and said dogs are veteran Nutt grabbers, how does he go anywhere? He's GOT to pass within range of one of those dogs. Sure, I'm talkin about 4 jam up Nutt grabbers and those are hard to come by (talk about setting a goal!) But a guy can dream can't he?  ;D

Sure would like to see them "stoppers" in action...  Who's got some??

No, I'm talking about dogs with their teeth sunk in... that hog pulls away and moves out in a hurry.

If a dog was biting me on the nuts I'd run too!

You've actually seen that happen? I'm sure you've got more experience than me but I NEVER have. EVERY time I've seen a dog grab nuts the boar has SAT DOWN to protect them or spun and fought. That's what I would do, screw running!

May want to rethink that because I've read quite a few of Jim's post complaining about runners and not having enough stopping power...  Guess them big ol boars do manage to outrun them " stoppers"

Plus I'm with mike, he busted that bay... IMO ain't no since in putting teeth on a settled hog.. But that's me...

Good luck on getting your stoppers...  ;)

I've seen a hog cross a pipeline with two cur dogs eatin him in the rearend and keep goin ! Having said that I love a good nut grabbin dog and it'll turn alot of hogs but not always ! These pine saplin thickets will put em to the test and on a sure enough runner your dogs have to have the bottom and speed to run them until they can't run anymore are decide to bay up !

He just needs three more like Horn  ;D

Thank you for the well wishes!

You ever seen a big hog bust out? He singles out a dog and tries to kill him on the way out scattering the rest usually. Very little nut grabbing going on when the dogs is getting out the way.

A hog is running away, a dog is having to trail him cuz I don't see many dogs keeping up with a hog in these bad briars and pine thickets.  Jus alot of bottom and heart.

Yes, I've seen it many times.

The only thing that's for certain that I've learned... if a hog wants to run, it's gonna run.

Kevin, I could tell you some stories... but it might be a little too graphic to post on here.

I used to have a little gyp that was a hellacious nut dog. Lightening fast, she'd cock that head side ways, grab a mouth full and plant those feet. Caught a lot of hogs with her... she was just like the type of dog you're describing.

I don't want it to sound like I've seen MANY dogs do this. It's only been a few and I thought they were really special dogs. Ive just never personally seen a hog pull out of something like that and keep running.

As for a hog busting a bay, yep I've seen it plenty. It's just something im setting as a goal. I figure that's your best bet at "stopping" a runner.

That's what I'm talkin bout Mike!!! I want a yard full!!! I hope I hope I hope my little brother sister pair bring that characteristic into my yard. Time will tell!

Kevin, whenever you get your stoppers, bring em down and we will make a wager...

Once your dogs strike, each 15 yards the hog runs cost a buck...

When/if they stop it, we will leave em bayed for an hour.. Same deal, a buck for each 15 yards they move in that hour...

5 bucks if they catch...

Each hog they bay and don't move past 15 yards in an hour I'll pay 20 bucks...

That doesn't sound fair! If I show up at your doorstep that means I have bred "MY" perfect dog and I wouldn't feel right about it. I'd feel like I was cheating you!  ;)

Just a chance to win them perfect dogs alittle dog food money..   ;D

I will say this if a big big bad boar hog wants to run he is gonna run you just got to have the dog power there to get him stopped and caught most the time a rank rank boar 250 lbs 275 lbs aint gonna stop for one are two dogs backed off baying he is gonna walk walk walk walk unless them dogs pull nuts and with two dogs if he is that rank and they are pulling nuts he is gonna be gone  unless you got more there to  help and they all gang bang him .  You are right I only had Horn on that hog the others were at another bay and Briar was young at the time the red dog came in from the left side and the hog went at him Horn grab the nuts and turned him around had the others been there that littler hog would have been caught on the spot.  Thats why I been putting the grit back in these dogs I want all of them like Horn are ruffer  one catches they all catch and if the catch dog hits they all suck in on him like a Hoover Vac thats the way you stop trophy boars are the best way we have found to stop them .

Kevin did not mean to derail your post. I was showing you my stoppers. They are not RCD's! They are strike dogs that will catch what they can handle by themselves and bay the ones they can not handle till another dog shows up, then catch with them.

I run one dog out and lead another when I hunt. Sometimes I will run two out and lead one, but usually do not need more then the two. I run Florida Curs and thats the way they hunt. Medium range dogs that are real rough!!

I understand everyone likes to hunt their way, but the hog has to be caught at the end so I like it to be sooner then later to keep Murphy's Law out of the hunt!! Lol. All the hogs in the videos were chewed up till the dogs could catch. You can see the patch the size of your hand ripped out of the ones a$$!! They are good fighters and wait till they have the hog where they can catch and handle them with out taking to many cuts to themselves!! The more barking and nipping the pack does the more the hogs break. Hard to run off with two 60-70lb strong dogs hanging off their ears!! I agree with TexasHogDogs. Good Hunting!!