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Who has some pups or young dogs that they have high hopes for? Lets see some pics and tell us how they are bred. Now is your chance to show your up and coming pups!

Here are my two "hopefulls" for this winter. One is red and one is a red ringneck, both females. Sire is a good red cur dog named Bob, dam is my Red female who is a first cousin to my Dixie dog (their mothers were littermates).

I like the way they act especially the red one. First litter for both parents so I don't really know what to expect....I am just hoping one of the two turns out.........better yet, hope both do!!!

First pups I have raised and kept in over two years, sure hope they do what I want......

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cracker never hunted with a florida cur myself and by no means am i talking negatively about them ...but a guy from south florida who hunts them told me they are some of the grittiest of the grittiest...is this true

Well, the fact that I have owned Fla curs for about 26 years, catch hogs regularly with them , yet have never owned, fed or led a bulldog, would show they tend to be a little on the gritty side....... ;D

Just like any other breed some are grittier than others, but from what I have seen the Fla curs, as a breed, are grittier than the YBM and Catahoula dogs. I am sure there are exceptions, I am just talking about the breed as a whole.

My Rock dog, who is a littermate to Dixie, is 11 years old and retired. He was a finished cow dog that we used to pen 500 cow/calf pairs plus about 35-40 bulls. I turned down big money for him as a cow dog, yet I used him as a lead in catch dog on hogs for about 7 years and he has NEVER barked a hog in his life...straight catch.

My buddies used to say "He is straight cur, he will back up and bay one day". Well, that was when I first started using him as a catch dog. After about a year or two and a bunch of 175-225 lb bad boar hogs caught with him, they said "You know, we don't think he is going to bay"........ :o   Largest boar we caught with him and weighed was 284 lbs with almost 3" teeth and we caught the hog with just Rock and Dixie.

lol...point made thanks...i used to have a catahoula that was straight catch never bayed a hog a day in his life and i used to catch the same flack about him being a cur...shut up all the critics when i brought him to several catch dog competitions and won a few times.... ;D

already posted this in the "let's see 'em" post...but again this is kopa 1/2dogo 1/2 bmc. the dogo(sire)has caught many hogs of all sizes and never thinks just catches. the bmc is a short ranged great hog dog. she has split from the pack and bayed up a group of hogs by herself until the rest got there. at 8months she has found hogs(in controlled situations), stopped them from running, and will definately bay a hog. she's the biggest of the pups my buddy kept. she looks like a black dogo..lol...only time will tell.

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Like that first red pup, good head on her.   What was Rock's style hitting a hog, comicazi or smart about it?  Did you use anything more than a cut collar with him?

Rock was more Kamakazee style than I would have liked actually. When he was turned loose he went THROUGH anything between him and the hog instead of around it......he got a little better with age, but was still wide open. Rock is close to 75-80 lbs so he definately was an anchor when he got there.....and required a break stick to get him off.

I never free cast him on hogs, I led him in until we saw the hog or were within 50 feet or so, then turned him loose. He ALWAYS wore a cut collar and vest...always. As soon as we had the hog tied, I would drop the vest off him to cool him down. Often, in the summer, I would soak the vest in water before I put it on him to help keep him cool. Course, more times than not I was the one carrying the wet smelly vest back to the truck....

I like the red pup too Noah. She is smart ....always watching me and whats going on, more so than the ringneck.  I like a smart dog, makes it easier to teach things to.

Here is a gyp I raised off one of my strike dogs and a buddy's strike dog 8months doin awsome ;D(http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww246/Yellar/DSCN2162.jpg)6month Lee bred cat pup(http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww246/Yellar/DSCN2158.jpg)

CrackerC Lee ever tell you how he got that Bob dog? Its kinda funny. He was out huntin and found the dog. Bob had tags with the owners name and number. Lee called the guy and was gonna give him back to him. but the guy said he didnt know what he was talkin about. Mustve been poachin his place. No way i coulve let a dog like Bob go that easy.

This was the first time I had "drum" out ,hes the white fella and really surpised me at only 5-1/2 months old, he showed alot of hunt that day coming & going for up to ten mintues ,back tracking well . After watching the dogs on this 100lb boar for a few seconds he locked onto the hogs head . :oHis Dam is a pit x lab and his Sire was a great danex greyhound /bull cattle (type of collie).Hes going to make a good dog but  I don't plan on hunting him again till hes much older ,he just needs time to grown & be a pup .
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BTT

my pups an 8 weeks old catahoula. when he was 7 weeks old i heard barking and went outside to find him baying the family duck. hes also real gritty. his favorite thing to do is fight the family cat which is about double his size. and today i dragged a hot dog on the ground and hid it. he put his nose to the ground and went right to it. i think hell make a great hog dog.

sfboarbuster, no I never heard that about Bob. I knew Lee didn't know how he was bred, but figured he got him from someone as a pup.

I like the Bob dog, he has a head full of sense, good nose,and  is gritty. But, Lee has never bred him before so we have no idea of what he will produce. I have two of the pups and Lee has two out of that litter. There were only four live pups.

We will see this winter how they do!!

Good deal, hopefully the pups turn out good for ya.

Yellar
  shes a great looking gyp,, how is she doing? have you shown her a pig yet...
              Dexter


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heres one of what i hope to be up coming hog dog,, he is double Lee's  bred

Thanks Dexter have'nt shown him a pig yet cant tell in that pic but it's a male. Hey thats a fine red lep pup

thats a real good lookin pup dexter

ty ty folks i hope he hunts as good as he looks heres a couple  for  next years pack first is my Masons Catdo Trixie shes bigger this is march picture , next is a YBMC out of a buddies stock and Trixie in the back ground checking out the chickens


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and who said a catahoula wont point Ginger

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 Two yellow curs. Come out of some solid stock. having problems getting the darker one to fire up, but the lighter yellow one hates a hog and is VERY independant, almost to point of never being able to catch her


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 Uno, Mason  Catdo. litter mate to Cull Bucks and Dexters.

Good looking pups Crackerc. I sure like red curs!

This gyp is the best prospect Ive had in years and I do have high hopes for her. She is bread and out of a friends line that has to be pushing 20 years of breeding but I cant say exactly.

She found, bayed, and help catch this 242# boar Good Friday of this year after 6 hours of hunting. Ive actually lost count of the hogs she has found and bayed this Spring and Summer as a puppy. She is 13 months old now. I will say that most of the hogs she has found wouldn't have been much of a challenge for even an average dog but she is getting tested in other areas by her self and she hasn't disappointed me yet.
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She has the hunt, speed, and brains I am looking for in a dog but Im still waiting and hoping for a colder nose and some more bottom to show up. I think its there but she is still very young and only time will tell.
She still has a lot of showing to do but so far so good.

She is a very rough pup but she is showing signs of improvement. She has started waiting for me to get there before she catches the smaller hogs and after a few good whippens from big hogs she is backing up and baying better. I didnt teach her that but I sure like it!

BoarNinja, if she is 13 months old and doing that good I sure would keep feeding her.........

I don't really even start hunting my pups until they are about a year old usually. I don't want them wrecked by a bad boar hog at 6-8 months old as I have had that ruin a pup in the past. I usually start them in a controlled situation, such as releasing a sow or young boar and letting them hunt it. That way I pretty much know what they are going to get on and can control whats going to happen.

We turned Monkey and a 10 month old Monkey x JJ male pup (that isn't mine) out last Feb. Dogs were not out 10 minutes, Monkey bays, pup goes to him and its a 205 lb boar hog in palmettos and myrtles.  Monkey tried to catch when the pup got there, got slung off, the pup didn't quite know what to do, wound up getting wrecked. Monkey was cut in one place, pup got a bunch of staples in 4 places...some cuts were 8"-9" long.....so I try to prevent this as much as possible on young dogs.

Most of my dogs will bay by themselves, but when you get there and crowd the hog, or turn another dog to them, they are going to catch.

Personally, I like the red dogs first, yellow dogs second, and everything else third....LOL

That's my kind of dog BoarNinja, sounds like a keeper!

I agree that I started her a little young. I have seen puppies get wrecked and I try to avoid it when I can. I lead her to the bay when she was starting and only cut her loose on select hogs.  I didnt let her run out with the other dogs until she was around 8 months old. She was getting hunted 2 and 3 times a week and had her legs under her pretty good at 8 months. She got real catchy around 10 months old and was strapping it on some pretty big hogs until she got a little cut one day. She still catches but rarely gets cut and only after I show up at that. The 2 times she has been cut were not bad at all.
She is getting very selective of when and were she catches and it seems to be working for her.
Ive carried her all by her lonesome a few times just to get a better look at her and she has performed better than I could expect at her age and found hogs.
Last month I took her to a place and poked around until I walked up on some sign. She was busy as heck hunting so I just sat right down in the middle of it and let her work. After 23 minutes with her being gone I was wondering if she was going to get them figured out and then she bayed.
Well booger barked I guess. Id never heard her opening bark sound like it did that day. Kind of like a sick hound and then she bayed pretty good but it wasn't intense as her barking usually is.
I only had about 500 yards to get to her so it didn't take me to long. I slipped in on her to see that she was staying about 20 to 25 yards back and working in a half circle, baying more than 15 good hogs!
I aint seen that in a wile! I guess thats why she was barking at them like she was. A lot of hogs and no grown ups to give her any encouragement.

Im still waiting for that nose she has bread into her to show up more but I haven't been this excited about a prospect in over 10 years.
Thats probably why I have done a few things with her against my better judgment.

You know crackerc? Best dogs Ive ever owned can be listed in your color order! #1 red #2 yellow, #3 everything else. lol

Here's my youngest "up and commers".  Three weeks old this past Saturday.

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And here's Mom.   Not that it matters, but I would have bet anything I would have gotten at least ONE saddleback but it looks like I got all yellow dogs.  Ten born (5 males, 5 females) but the runt (a male) died the next day.

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Dang Bryant!

That litter looks like you "photoshopped" the same puppy 8 times!

Great looking litter!!!

my best colors  has  been  black  and  brindles  yellows  and  red  last ........ but   98 %  of  what  i  have  hunted  has  been black  and  brindles .....maybe  ya'll  have  the  same  problem  i do .....lol

Bryant,

Nice welping box.  It looks good.  Those rails can really do the trick at times.

Bryant,

The pups look good and healthy! I am a firm believer in taking care of the pups. A lot of guys figure the mother should take care of them the first 2 months, but I do it differently. We start worming our pups at 2 weeks and worm them every 2 weeks after that. We start feeding them good puppy food at 3 weeks of age. With a big litter, that really helps the momma dog.....Usually by the time my pups are 5 weeks old they are weaned and don't need momma anymore.

BoarNinja,

Sounds like you have a good one coming on. If she worked for over 20 minutes by herself and put hogs on the end of it at a year old, I would say you definately have one to be proud of. No harm in her booger barking a few times on a group of hogs and her by herself. May be the first time she has seen that many hogs together. Let her confidence build and I bet she will be better with the groups next time.
So, tell me again when you are sending her down here to Fla?????   ;D

Larry,
I always say thats why they make more than vanilla ice cream. Everyone has different tastes! Think how boring it would be if we all hunted the same color and type of dogs. We all like our own dogs for our own reasons and the way we hunt. My dogs probably wouldn't work for you as you seem to like a long range dog. I like a dog that handles and is more of a close/medium  range fairly rough type of dog. We both catch hogs so both types work. Its just a matter of what you like, and how you hunt......but I still like red dogs....LOL  I think my bad experience with some Plotts soured me some on the black & brindle dogs in general.

I know most of yall are putting up your Strike dog prospects, but this is my catch dog pup that I have been real excited about, pretty much the momma was "my pick of the litter" and we have been waiting for her to grow up and prove herself to be the dog that she was planned to be, Well she is and now the cross was made and here is my newest addition......
This here is my newest baby "UDR Longshot Karma" 6 wks. out of Longshots "Nickel" and Bryant D. "Zeus", both those dogs are our Captain/Lucy blooded dogs....soooo, I can't wait to see how well she fills their shoes. Maybe James / Critter / Bump will put theirs up theirs online too and we can see the whole litter.
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The momma Nickel is 3/4 AB 1/4 Dogo, the daddy is 1/2 AB 1/2 Dogo she reminds me of my Smoochy very much, but I don't expect her to quite as tall, but same head, frame, and stride.

here  is  3  littermate  pups  about  6  months  old ....
heres BILL

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this is bones

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this is sally

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here is  poncho  he  just turned  2  years  old .... he  wind s off the  buggy  and  out  of  the front  of  a boat ....

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here's  sally  above  picture  didn't  work ....

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Now Larry, I don't care much for black and brindle dogs, as a rule, but the pic you posted of your Poncho dog sure caught my eye. He looks just about like I want one to look. I only see two things wrong with him.....he ain't red and he ain't bob tailed....LOL

Just kidding, they really do look good. I hunted with Steve McQueen in Ga several years ago. He had two of your dogs. Those are the only two "real" Parker dogs I have ever seen. Steve really liked the male, seemed to be a typical Parker dog. Long range, good nosed, but you went and found him when you turned him loose as he wasn't coming back to you and hanging around, thats for sure. Last I heard the female just wasn't working for him like the male was. You still talk to him?

Mr Parker, Did you name your Pancho dog after some one? I knew a man years ago that had a dog looked alot like that dog, and everyone called this man Pancho.

I am going to keep one of the pups my brother is giving away she is the runt and is the funniest dog I have ever seen. She is kennel mates with Gus so maybe she will pick up n some stuff from him. I named her Lilly and she hates pigs and this glove i tied to a fishing string.

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i couldnt post without putting up a pic of Gus he is 14 months old now.

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the  female  steve  had  went  on and  made a  real  good  dog ....he  told  me  at times  she  wa s finding  ahead  of  sam ......  when  i started  her  for  him  she  got  cut  down  in the  belly  figured  it  might  have  made  her  back  up  .....but  steve  sent  me  some  pictures  of  her  mangled  perty good ....then  one  day  she  didn't  make  it out ..... but  he  said  she  sure  was  makeing  a   dog ......


  about  poncho  a  friend  of  mine  named him  poncho .....if  your  talking about  ponch  simpson  i  never   met him but  i  have  some  freinds  around  evedale  and silsbe  texas that  new  him  and has  talked  about him  alot .......

Glad to hear Steve's female turned around. When I was up there he was disapointed she wasn't hunting like Sam was. Course, I think she was younger.

I actually went up to hunt with his yellow dog, but I can't remember the dogs name.......anyway, he was a dog from Fla that Steve liked and I went to see about breeding a female to him. Never did get any pups from him, but I liked the dog.

She bayed them about 30 minutes before she left with one. She started working tighter when she realized I was there and a big saw had all she could stand of it. She charged out at my gyp and when she tried to rejoin the group of hogs my pup latched up to her tail. They spun in a circle about twice before my gyp lost her grip and then that saw was outta there. I caught up to her about an hour and a half later. She was back trailing herself and coming to find me. Before I lost her signal in the creek bottom she must have stopped that sow for a little wile because I heard her bay about 800 yards away for a few minutes. After that she was just gone in the palmettos until I found her coming back.

I normally dont post anything about prospects of brag on any dogs except for my son's old brindle dog. He has earned it after 10 years of finding hogs for us and showing my son the ropes as much as I have, but this gyp is really showing something and I guess I just needed someone to give me a little validation. A pinch on the arm to make sure Im not dreaming so to speak. lol.
I hope she finishes out like I expect her too!!! I've been waiting on a gyp like her for a long long time.

crackerc,
The only thing I recall said about dogs traveling is you bringing those nasty Florida curs of yours to Texas! lol.
Better bring them in an armored truck is all I can say!   rolleyes    ;D

This One For Ryan TBH here are Puppy photos of Karma and how she is bred in this thread

Fun looking back at the old posts huh? ;D



Bryant,

I need to add one of those rails in my whelping box... And do u still have that saddle back bitch?

No...gave her to a guy in Thorndale that still has her though.

I also don't have any of those pups left.  I kept all but two...started them and they hunted like crazy...very rough though and didn't last terribly long.  A guy still has a female named Maggie out of that litter that is still hunting.  Only one left.