EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Ok I know we are beating a dead horse here. I DO not know but one of the bod of the tdha. The Barr rule got moved to one Barr in the stringer it only got moved to try a satisfy us bitching. Now I hear that the tdha president was a,bod last year and hunted the los casadora competion last year and not the tdha. If this is true I would like him to speak and tell us why. Im wondering if this guy could be lead our organization in the wrong direction to fit his needs or his style.  Maybe someone could help out and explain what is going on.

I will answer the question the best way i can.

The only person who hunted Los Cazadores hunt last year that had anything to do with TDHA was me.  What was I last year?  I was an interim treasurer that offered to help TDHA because NO ONE else would.  I was only tasked at getting the books in order.  Because i was a TDHA Interim i was not allowed to hunt TDHA and at the time i had offered to help i had already signed up to hunt Cazadores. 

I am now an elected BOD and WILL be at the TDHA hunt no matter what.  I am not the president just to be clear.

I'm sorry you were miss informed and i am sorry you don't check your information before blasting information publicly.  I am the one who faught hard for the Barr's and a big reason it got passed.  I am for everyone every hog hunter out there and now i am wandering why i faught so hard for the Barr.  For what to apparently be blasted. 

I am not going anywhere and i will continue to fight for our rights, but crap like this sure makes it hard. 

My question is there is over 5000 members on this board who apparently love to hog hunt.  We the BOD of TDHA spend our free time and a lot of it not to mention a lot of our own money to fight for the right to do what they love and we may have a fraction of that number in members, that are actually members, but there sure is a lot that want to complain when things don't go there way. 

Cost to hunt hogs with dogs - thousands
Enjoyment of hunting hogs with dogs - priceless
The chance that that could be taken away - very good
If it does end what do you get back for those dogs or those supplies or that time - $0
The cost of being a TDHA member -  $25

Very good point!!!

You can pay to go to school...
But you can't buy class.

I know boarwild and a few others do ALOT to protect our rights as hunters I would just like to thank him and TDHA for what they do for us.   Thanks a bunch I greatly appreciate it.

I personally know boarwild and have hunted with him a bunch, I can assure you he has the best interest of ALL hog hunters in mind and fights with the rest of the TDHA for the rights of dog hunters.  Instead of griping and pointing fingers about what they DON'T do why not thank them for what they do for dog hunters everyday.  Everyone is entitled to opinions but at the end of the day were all dog hunters and need to come together for the sport we all cherish!

Boarwild has worked very hard on this hunt and has gotten many sponsors & prizes for the TDHA hunt!! He is a good BOD for TDHA and wants to preserve and promote our hunting rights.

No, we aren't beating a dead horse, we're beating a pile of bones that has been picked over by the buzzards. And no, no current TDHA president hunted the Los Casadores hunt last year, but two currently elected board members did. Myself and boarwild hunted the hunt on two different teams. Reasons for hunting in that tournament and not the TDHA hunt are our business, but if asked in a respectful manner we would be happy to tell why. For me, the reason is simple, I had already agreed to hunt the tournament with a group of young hunters here before I knew that the dates were going to be the same. I'm not the kind of person to break my word to a group of young hunters that I had promised to take hunting. As for boarwild, to the best of my memory he also had agreed to do the hunt before the scheduling conflict was realized. We as board members are elected to help the organization as best we can, and as adults have the ability to seperate our personal feelings from decisions that need to be made as a board. We as a board encourage all new members to help with the organization and welcome questions about how the organization and board work as a whole to help protect our rights as dog hunters. Having said that, I would also like to say that I would hope that a new member would take the time to get to know each of us and the way the President, Vice President, and board of directors work before making accusations as to "our" intentions. After all we are giving our time, money, and other resources to try and help protect and promote the rights that we all enjoy.
Anthony

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Who is the president of the TDHA?   I went to the website earlier to try to figure it out, but must not have looked in the correct place.


On a different note:  I can appreciate both sides of this issue.  Being on the BOD is a thankless job, and most don't realize the time and resources given by the board members.  On the other hand, when the members voice an opinion, and their opinion seems to be ignored, it's easy to understand the frustration.

That seem to be the case here.

We all took into account the opinion's on here, the opinions that were pm'd here and other sites, and opinion by phone calls.  there was no over welming swing and any direction, so we tried a compromise

There's a big difference between constructive criticism and DEstructive criticism.  I think this entire threads intention is to spread bad will within the hog hunting community.  IMO, if Chance truely wanted to find out the details of a TDHA matter, why didn't he start a thread on the TDHA forum?  

There are much better ways to bring hog hunters together instead of tear us apart.  What I'm finding out is that some people love to complain and are much better at griping than they are at finding ways to positively work together.

The payouts are going to be great and the prizes will be some of the best we have ever given.  I wish i could hunt the hunt!!!  However many groups of hunters we have they will truely be impressed with this years prize list.  We all worked very hard and are very excited about the hunt.  5, 10, 20, 50 teams it will be fun.


I wish all of this negative talk will just end and lets all try and work as a team.  I am sure Chance regrets the way this came out as we have talked personaly and i know what sort of person he is.  If at all possible lets forget this and move on.  Those who want to support us we are very thankful for and those who don't we only wish will change there mind.

Chance supports us i know and i think he was just miss informed. 

I'm not going to make an assumption about why the post was here vs the TDHA forum.  I will say it is out of character for Chance to start a smear campaign, or spread bad will, so I don't think that is the case.

I would venture to guess that the people asking for the "change" in rules are the ones creating the division, not the one's trying to keep the rules as they have been for years.


Now, let's take this thread as an example.

We have one BOD saying that he was the ONLY person to hunt the Pearsall contest last year.

Seven posts later, we have another BOD saying that he too hunted the Pearsall contest last year.

So, within this thread alone there has been misinformation about their involvement in the TDHA and Pearsall contest...  How hard is it to imaging that possibly Chance was given bad information too...

Now, back to my original question, that seems to have gone unanswered.
Who is the current TDHA president?  I looked on the website, but must not have looked in the correct place.

i said i was the only person involved with tdha last year that hunted last year, becuase i was.  Anthonyb had nothing to do with TDHA last year as a BOD or an interim anything.  He is newly elected as of October 2012 7 months after these contest.  There is a difference.  again someone taking what was said out of context before rereading and verifying and understanding and blasting.   

boarwild,

   Not blasting anyone. I am simply stating how easy it is for misunderstandings to occur.   

Back to my original question, that has now been asked THREE times.

Who is the current TDHA President, as I looked on the website, and must not be looking in the correct place, because I cannot find the info.

Chris, I stepped down as president last year because of personal issues due to the drought. I did not have the time or money to continue as TDHA president. No one ran for the presidents spot in the Oct election. So you are correct, there is not a president listed on the web-site. BOD and officers are doing a fine job of taking care of TDHA business.

Circle C, TDHA has no President at this time.  Paul was and stepped down because of his work and there want be one until an election.  The 5 BOD and the only voting members are running the show.
I, for one have given many hours and miles to TDHA and will keep going to Austin to stand up for all dog hunters.  There is very little interest by most to go and spend the day waiting on Bills and discussion to come up.  
I helped restart TDHA back in 2003, with the help of a couple more people we got Incorpated with an Attorney and CPA.  I make 8 to 10 trips to Austin each year at no expense to TDHA and try to inform all dog hunters about what is going on and feel that no one reads.

Since we started the Hog hunt 8 years ago now every Tom , Dick, and Harry is having a contest.  We don't have a processer that is big enough to handle the amount of meat we bring in so we started going to a live hunt and selling the hogs and will again this year be having a place on the entry form that the hunters can pick one of three places we donate the money.

Looking at the # of members on ETHD we had about 50 at the most that are TDHA member that do support by their yearly dues of $25.00.  

If the hunters that uses dogs don't come together we will loose our rights to use dogs in hunting.

As to hog contest, hunt the contest you want to and enjoy.  TDHA will give buckles this year to the top 4 places with lot of other items that the other places might win also.  Extreme Mag. along with Pigman will be at the contest and also hunting in it.

All I have every asked is for the dog hunters to support the Cause.  

I'm start off by saying I'm nobody I'm just a member on tdha as well Im not nobody on the BOD. I'm also a friend of Matt he's a great guy but heres my opinion of the barrs I'm not trying to pick sides or anything if I had a contest I would allow barrs but would have Different pots for them you know everybody pays there share of money to be in the contest I'm just saying my opinion of a contest we are all hunters..

Yes, misunderstandings can occur, when one doesn't read or understand what was written. As for ill will, I have not seen a post here lately that has not been started in a negative manner. Look at the title of this post, "wow", what kind of message is that supposed to convey, one of a positive nature? I highly doubt it. Any post can be picked apart and manipulated to be used as a point from which to argue, but when the post is obviously written with ill intent you just have to assume that is what it is, ill intent. As for the comment about a member being ignored and becoming agrivated, I don't see how that is possible. The new member that started this post voiced his concerns about a rule change that turned into pages of discussion, I don't see that as ignoring a "member". As a group we represent what we gather is best for the majority of the membership, sometimes that means that an individual will not get their way. What it doesn't mean is that an individual that doesn't get his way should be putting down an association that is trying to fight for rights that he enjoys just like the rest of us.  It takes maturity and experience to realize that we must act as a whole when we are board members and cannot bend to the complaints of a single member, and that the outcome needs to be both the best for the association and reflect the opinion of the majority of the membership. If we put half the effort expended arguing back and forth and putting down an organization that tries to help hog hunters towards helping we would be so much further ahead.
Anthony

My whole post was to find out what is really going on with the tdha.I sit on alot of boards and there needs to be a president appointed. The board can motion that in.Boarwild I do believe you are there for good cause. Im here fighting for the barrs. I feel as a few has made this decision forgot about the dogs and hunting. My whole point is to get it fixed before it is dead. If I was missed informed then I apologize for being miss informed. But we are learning more about the board out of this thread. Not in a bad way but in a way we are learning who you are.
The reason why we bring this to this board and not the tdha is because there is 4000 members..Only 5 members would see it on the tdha website. I wish the bod would come over to this website and introduce themselves. When Paul was president he keep everyone informed on what was going on.
I did not even realize I was not a member until someone a bod called me out in a rude way on the tdha board. I renewed with a three year member ship once I realized. Even with all this going on so don't say im trying to separate US. When barrs were deleted from the competion then tdha separated us.
There again we can't find any information on the tdha websites all we hear is hear say.
I motion Boarwild in as president if the board can't seem to get that part done.
The post wow is a what the hell is going on. Anthonyb no one has a clue. Then people wonder why there is no members or not enoug. I would be happy together up members. Hell I bet can get 10 in 1 hour.I had no name of who this was or who is the president. But we know now. And to me sir that is a big wow to be a member and not know.

I could set back and let this ride and except the barrs thing. I could shut my mouth and go on and deal with it or I can fight for something I believe in whole heartly I chose to fight. To fight you get to the bottom of things and pluck out the bad. If they take our guns or our dog rights you going to sit back and say oh well. Hell no you ain't!! It's not a lost to to the guys who don't catch barrs it a lost to the ones who do and i just so happen to be the one who said put me in front andgive me the boxing gloves. I personally did not call anyones name but mine is sure getting thrower around and i signed up for it.

Are we really putting a second amendment right given by our constitution in the same category as Barrs being allowed in a hunting contest?
Anthony

no but when you believe in something dearly you will do whatever it take to fight for what you believe in. In this case it's Barrs.  This has been what chance been fighting for. I'm for Barr hogs no I don't catch as many as others but its still a hog.  We hunted the board of texas and ran and caught a good Barr hog for nothing that cut the dogs and was a waste of time for us. 

You can't blame a man for standing up for what he believes in. 

There is a very simple fix to the "problem" that you are concerned about. You would be happy to gather up members for the organization right? Well, we as a board represent the membership and their majority opinion, and we encourage them to voice that opinion. So, instead of dragging TDHA thru the mud unwarrantedly on a forum that has maybe fifty TDHA members go out and use that energy to recruit new members. If you can recruit ten in an hour then who knows how many you could recruit in a week. If you do that and recruit a large number of members then two things have happened, one, you have helped to grow an organization that fights for your rights and two, you stand a greater chance of your opinion being represented in the majority. One should stand up and fight for what they believe in, but there are positive ways to do it that can effect change and negative ways to do it that will not accomplish much.
Anthony

Paul and Douglas,

Thank you for the response. I knew Paul had stepped down, but was not aware of the current vacancy. 

When the bod represents the tdha and make a rule change then yes it will be drawn down that is ashame. Point your finger another direction and question as a bod did we or them make a mistake and take away a right the dog hunters have. If there is 5 three voted one Barr in stringer atleast. Barrs have been a tradition for my family along time so to me it is as good as the constitution the constitution is what this country was founded on and barrs is a heritage that my kids will carry on. Anothyb im sure your a great person but the dog hunting is not in the constitution either but you sit on a board that fights the right to keep it. Im fighting far the barrs. I will azure you I will start working to build members to the tdha

 Barring a hog is not a right.

Ok it is our tradition that we do. It is practice that we do here where we live. It is something we do with our dogs Texas dogs. Glad you clarified that for me.

I ain't saying it won't happen, but I sure do hear that y'all are fighting to keep our rights to hunt with dogs and we could lose em any day.

Let me suggest something for this next year,

1. try to get the state to allow hog meat to be used in the welfare system.

2. Work to standardize and publicize feral hog buying stations and help to regulate prices

3. Create a standard donation form for the weight of meat purchased and therefore donated

4. Lobby to allow landowners to get charitable giving deductions for all hogs donated.


BAM. hogs. Become. Money.  We will never lose our right and never run out of hogs...







Oh and barrs are hogs too.

Your right, direct mention of hunting is not in the constitution, but the Ninth Amendment states: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. So you could argue that the right to hunt though not mentioned is still contained within the constitution by this amendment for arguments sake. And nobody within the board of TDHA is trying or able to take away your right to barr or hunt barred hogs. If that is a tradition in your area then by all means continue to do so. If it is a tradition in your family, then teach your children to do so. The Barrs rule was not changed to hurt Barr hunters and keep them from producing "good table fare" to eat. It is simply a rule that applies to this particular contest. Nothing in the rules says that barr hunters can not enter the contest, or that people that barr hogs can not enter the contest. It simply says that only one barr is allowed to be entered on your stringer if you compete in the contest. Three days of a contest, which one is not forced to enter, does not constitute the loss of rights as a dog hunter, it is simply the rules for this particular contest. So you can hunt barrs whenever you want if that is the tradition you want to carry on, the only difference will be that on the day of weigh in only one can be counted among your stringer. Also, new members are always welcome.
Anthony

Buyers don't want Barr hogs.


Chance ,
    If you want your side to hold merit you can't argue that it is right to barr hogs. Well I guess you can but it will be ripped apart.  Tradition makes more sense to me. Along your lines , I catch hogs under 100 pounds. Why can't they count as part of the stringer ? Some of them little guys run and run.  All the contest people do have a right to set forth rules. You feel strongly on allowing Barr hogs in a contest. I qouod not hunt any contest that won't count them.
Hunting a contest that doesn't allow them is just furthering their reason s.

I like your idea Terry but whatever the government controls is bound to fail.

A

If y'all only new that im still promoting the tdha and promoting it to Barr hunters. Trust me when I say they are upset about this ruling being changed. Im still hanging in here with the tdha. This could be a good turn around for the tdha. I have received one pm from this post from a guy I do not know saying he followed me and would be sending his money in as a member  I told him thanks for doing that. We are fighting against each other and I guess none of us will back down from it all we do is twist each others words.  All im saying is there is a large group of guys that are not happy about this rule change. I told them I would stay on top of it.  I said it would separate US and it has done just that. Im trying to get the point across that We are here and want to be heard. Out of all this this is the first post that any of the bod other than Boarwild has posted to.one last time im still gathering people for the tdha.

And whatever you hear your bound to disagree with. Lol  ;)

Just picking, but I think the only failure is not trying.

I just signed my whole family up as TDHA members. That's four new members. Some of the TDHA members post on the several threads over the whole BARRS allowed in a hunting contest has come across as, if your not a TDHA member then you don't have a right to express your opinion on the TDHA Tournament. Wether it was intentional or not, that is the way it came across and if it was intentional then I believe it was a pretty good strategy to boost memberships. Get a bunch of outspoken hard heads stirred up and goad them into joining. Well, I've joined and as I've said several times before, I'm for BARRS in your ( our ) tournament and I don't just mean one barr allowed in the stringer. If it's a hog and caught by dogs by legal means and within the rules of the tournament then it should be allowed. The polygraph will take care of the ones moving any hogs, barrs included, and stocking honey holes for tournaments. On just about every tournament flyer it says " you will not beat the polygraph ", well prove it and let the polygraph do it's job. It would'nt feel right if I won a tournament and found out that a team would of beat me but they were'nt allowed to weigh in 3 big barrs that they worked hard all day long and got their dogs butchered in the process of catching. There is nothing that can be done to even the playing field in a tournament. Someone is always going to have better places to hunt or better dogs and different areas of the state will always grow larger hogs than others. The whole arguement of a barr being a pre caught hog is a wash with me. There are alot more sows and boars out there that have been caught and released than there is barrs. The best way to try to level the playing field is to allow any hog that is caught within the rules of the competition to be allowed in the stringer and let the polygraph weed out the cheaters. I realize the rules have already been posted for this year and will not be changed but maybe this will be food for thought on next years tournament. There, Im a TDHA member and I've stated my opinion on OUR tournament.

Got a pm on three more over night. Thanks  guys for coming together. Lance I really appreciate you getting the whole family  . Ya'll think I was attacking the tdha all im trying to do is help it. My thread was really started to show people where we are and to keep our right to hunt with dogs we need to stand and show our faces. Im sorry the few people thought I was after separation.
I'm asking for every that hunts barrs to join. Lets keep our heritage a live.
I will print a bunch of memberships forms off and get them signed up.
The ones that can go on line and get signed up please do.
Thanks again to the ones that pm me.

On the poll here at first I voted to allow barrs, but the more I think about it, I can see both sides. I don't hunt the contest or catch any barrs, but here is an example I thought of.

I hunt the 24 hour varmint hunts and years ago there was no animal limit. The contest was growing and people were killing 10 animals or so and doing pretty good. Then here comes this team that had tons country and the coyotes to go with it. Several hunts they were bringing in over 20 coyotes, I think one time they brought in almost 30 in one night of hunting. Lots of people quit hunting or went to another hunt because they knew they couldn't compete with that. Now the hunt has cap on the number of animals being brought in, no more that 6 coyotes or 5 bobcats. Which is still a good stringer of animals, but it leveled the playing field and the hunt has grown again.

The barrs are kinda the same way, from what i've read "most" times barrs get pretty big. If barr hogs keep winning the contest then people who don't have access to barrs, they will go to different hunts, therefore their money won't be going to TDHA. Which seems to be the goal of TDHA is to maintain a good hunt to keep the donation and lobbying money coming in. But I can seee where the pro barr guys are coming from, if you catch a good barr and it wrecks your dogs it would suck for that not to count.

IMO a good rule change would be if the heavy stringer of 5 hogs wins it, why not put a cap on the barrs. Say no more than 2 or 3 barrs, I think I read now that it only one allowed. Just my outside opinion.

Great job Chance...

Very good post Hawkins...I think some of the people who voted in this poll do not hunt tournaments, Not a member of TDHA or LSWDA and does not know how much work is done behind the scenes to fight for the rights of dog hunters and figure out ways to generate lots of money to fight bills and help hunters fight lawsuits(dog being shot..etc.)...I'm on the fence about this a well. I dont care about Barr hogs being weighed in but also know I don't have the spots to compete with those guys in what I call the golden triangle(around huntsville). I would rather donate my time and help work the TDHA weigh ins. Lets take Chance on the boars of Texas tournament. If chance would of been able to weigh all his barrs he would of won pretty easily. I may be wrong but think he still got 6th. One spot out of the money. Yes he got his dogs wrecked and hope they heal up but on the other hand so did a bunch of teams that didnt even place in the top ten. We got 9th and got dogs wrecked. Broke leg, cuts ..etc. Chance does alot for this sport and we need more like him that fights for what he believes in. That being said we need as many people signed up to TDHA and LSWDA as possible and come up with a medium ground for these tournaments. Maybe something like a 4 hog stringer with only 2 barrs..etc. This way we will get lots of teams and generate lots of money to fight for our rights.. Just my thoughts...

Maybe TDHA should do a re-vote on the stringer since the rules are not yet out. You would have to vote at tdha.org and be a TDHA member to vote. You can go ahead and post the other rules but leave stringer out until poll is done. Lets say Feb 15th. Might be a way to get more members and give every member a vote....

Just joined the TDHA and I am Pro Barr. Caught on last weekend in the Caldwell Boars of Texas Tournament and could not enter him.  Only hog we caught so didn't even go to weigh in. He would have won longest tusk and weighed in at 300+ Live. Just my 2 cents. See yall in Lexington.