EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Got a high fence game ranch with some sort of dog/yote that's killed $25K of game in the last few mnths.... they've tried night vision over bait, live traps, drives/shooters, ect.... no good, says he's pretty smart.

We're gonna go give him a try, thinking of taking some fox dogs to get him up and line the block with shooters.

Any suggestions?  Game warden is involved now, so only legal stuff....

Antifreeze on bait  not the animal friendly either or get u a live chicken or goat. Or a gyp dog in heat  and a good shooter

I like the live bait idea, might try that....

25k in game is a lot in only a months time. Prolly more then just one problem animal.
   How big is the place?

I'm not sure where Noah is talking about, but there is a breeder buck farm close to his house.  I can easily see one of their breeder bucks having a $25,000.00 price tag on a single animal's head.  Like you, I would like to know how big the area is.

 I know a good breeder buck is up there in cost, but most yotes or wild dogs cant/wont bring down a full size buck. Esp during the fawn season.

maybe he would come into a call like a fawn in distress or something

dont know how much the man is wanting to spend but know of a guy that runs trigs and hounds and catches yotes but he is in texas can give you his number if you would like he may be able to help you

Might want to take a look at this type of trap. I have used it and cought several coyotes with it. The onky draw back is if it's in an area with lots of coons, they seen to trip it alot. http://www.collarum.com/
Here is a video of the trap in action
http://www.collarum.com/media.htm

I'd like to use dogs just to use dogs, but once I get a look at the situation, traps may an alternative.  That spring snare's pretty nifty!   Never done much trapping, is it hard to bait one into a jaw trap?  This place is loaded with game, dogs would have to be sure enough broke to run this place :o

I have used the collarum trap a bunch. I have caught many a coyote. and a few feral dogs too. Here are a few pics of a coyote that I caught on it. You can see the collarum trap at the end of the log. the Bait that comes with it is the key. it smells worse than anything you can imagine but it works.

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How much is that collarum?  You say it comes with it's own bait?  Do you think it's more effective than other types of traps?

i have used a trap befor with live bait it was a two compartment live trap the compartment you put the chicken in  was enclosed on the three outside sides and like chicken wire on the in side where in the yote or bobcat  looked in there could see  the prize it was a door that feel down with a  plate in the floor for a trigger  a rooster always seemed to work the best  more vocal i guess wish i had pics

If there's 25k worth of game amimals or more around there I'd hesitate on using a regular snare, but the collarum might work better, might have to put a stop on it to be sure a deer or whatever is in there could get a hoof out of it.  with a steel trap, try a #2 size, or some 1 3/4 size trap if they have about the same jaw spread.  I like the coilspring type, they are easy to bed.  dig a hole about two inches wide, six or eight deep, at a 45 degree angle with a clump of grass, log  etc for backing at the rear of the hole.  bed your trap about six or eight inches away from the hole slightly to the side.  to bed the trap dig a flat bottomed hole just deep enough to hide the trap and then sift dirt back over it.  a coffee filter works well to cover the pan.  if you can find where this thing is traveling you can make your set there.  good luck, I'm curious to know what this is. 

The coyote size runs around $ 80.00 I think. As for the bait, the ones I bought didn't come with any bait, but I do know you can buy bait/lures from the same company.

Noah, I use the collarum for last resort when I cant catch them in a live trap. It is canine specific so if it is not some type of dog or coyote. (say maybe a big cat) then it will not work. When you order the trap they have a "animal control" special that comes with bait and everything you need to set it. its about 100 bucks. If they wont let you order this package and you are interested, let me know I can order it for you.

noah heres some traps i build  with 2x4 horse panel  these are 2 x 2 x 5  i have built them 5 x 5 x 16 with  a 2x 5 live box with 1/4 wire hog ringed in also i use hog rings for the hing and holding the trap together til i take  slick wire and do a 5-6 wrap along the edges about ever foot i have caught everthing in these trap exept acougar

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 i hope this might give you some easy ideals
 Dexter

Thanks for the ideas gentlemen, I'm trying to get them to agree to a price before I get too involved...  I'm tired of doing favors for people for nothing more than a pat on the back rolleyes

What yall think a fair price would be for removal of such an animal?(If it is indeed just one animal...)

Noah
  askm "whats it worth to you for it to be gone"  then step back and wait for them to set the price, if they hit to low just turn and SLOWLY walk towards your truck never saying a thing and  they will hit you where you want 10% sounds fair at this time ;D,,also
 check the houses in the surrounding area  see if anyone has big dogs like anatolians,great pyrenese,shepards,, i will just about lay you 5-1 odds thats its dogs espicially if they are killin and leaving it for the most part
                        jmo and my.02
                     Dexter

Never did say what types and how many animals have been killed.

Still no solid info, I'm trying to set up a meeting with the owner to check out the facts.  I know they have african exotics and bred up whitetails just from what I've seen along the fences.

A decoy dog, a call, and a good shooter is hard to beat if you are sure that its coy dogs or coyotes. No need to stay up all night with a spotlight. Evening and early morning has always worked good for me.

If you should go the snare or trap route, keep them close to game feeders if any are being used on the place. The wild predators recognize them and use them for the same reasons that deer hunter do.

Id bet money on it being neighborhood dogs or a cat myself. Cats and house dogs will kill for sport and leave their kills uneaten or just nibbled on. Coyotes and wolves are kinda like fat kids and chocolate cake!
Id look for a hole in the fence if I were you.

Good luck and keep us posted.

I have one hog trap made years ago 4 foot x 4 foot x 8 foot long. I used 2x4 horse panel over the frame.
 Has a guillotine gate. Have hardware cloth wired inside of trap.  I made a smaller cage that fits inside the hog trap. I use a baby goat as bait. Go by every evening and put the goat in and set the trap. The baby goat cries and  balls or hours. That baby goat crying will bring in almost any varmint. With this have caught coyotes, feral dogs, bobcats, feral cats and a fox.

Noah you have a pm. 8)