EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

are they very long ranged and what is a good price for one as a pup. are there any good breeders around? and if you have some can u post pics
thanks

Got one that will flat get gone. Picked her up about a 1.5 miles from where we dropped and that's in not fresh sign. They are high a pup your looking at 3-400 after that they usually go up fast not cheap dogs to get your hands on papers or otherwise

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I have owned a couple, I currently have 3. like said above they are not cheap to get your hands on. My last 2 were short range, they never got on any sure enough running hogs before I sold them. I read on another thread yesterday something along the lines of "it's a shame that jagds rarely live to see retirement"........its sad but true, mine were flat out suicidal at a very early age.

there is a litter for sale on southeasttexas.com right now. It says dixieland and knight bred. 400$ a pup

excuse me, they are dixieland and clearcreek bred not knight bred

what are the traits of the most popular bloodlines

Hell i dunno lol, i never paid much attention to bloodlines honestly, just find someone with dogs that hunt good and the way you like and go from there.......mankinb on here can probly fill you in on jagd backgrounds, i know he has or at least had some good ones, havent seen him post in a while though.

Are they completely silent Justin?

I picked a 6 week old pup up a couple weeks ago from a guy off of here. She has alot of knight hunt in here. She is a hand full right know. She gets into everything. I paid $400 for my pup. The people I talked to had them for sale for $300-$400.

josh, snuff, the bigger of the last 2 males I had was completely silent however his brother would open up every time he hit the ground and occassionally on track, I wouldn't call him open but he wasn't silent either. kinda how colby's "crook" dog is......semi open would be the best description.

Clear creek hunting dogs!!! Go to their website, they are in Decatur. Tara and Damon Reid, got two pups from them, damn good dogs. Haven't seen anything that hunts harder. Work well with my curs

I currently have a male that i purchased from Clear Creek Jagds that is ten months old. I have caught several hogs with him this spring. he is a medium ranged strike dog 100-400 yd but on a trail is endless! With that said i have a gyp that is a full sister to the dog that hogsnatcher was referring to and she will flat be a mile or better in a hurry! the range in jagds is like any other dog it just depends on the dog. But every jagd will hunt! They can take some time to trash break, but any dog that is gamie is. They are different from other dogs to train. I recomend only one or two sessions in a bay pen and then to the woods, this will help keep your jagd from being to aggressive and bay a little better.  Good luck if you decide to get one! they are fun! cowboss79gmail.com

training pens do not make them aggressive. train them on big hogs they are fear less dogs .  train them to stop the hog as soon as the hog breaks. so the hog never get out the  Bubble from the dog .  to me{bubble} means train them to stop hog from drifting.      traning pens dont hurt jagds on the hunting side they can do both very well.

Bayou Goatcher kennels/ Bud Goatcher has the best lines around. I have had every bloodline/ kennel you can think of and he has managed to take the best from each plus imports and combine them into a solid line. My buddy has a young female off of Goatcher's Squirt for $900.00 that is ready to start. Croatian import blood I believe.

a training pen is a nice tool when used right...but starting gritty pups to catch shoats in a pen will give them too much confidence and when they encounter a boar in the woods it could be there last...like already mentioned, the pup needs to learn how to bay a big hog and that includes how to stop one and keeping it from running...some folks don't like the bay pen but I think it is a great tool...what you want is to have the pup learn how to work the hog without getting itself hurt...but I am sure there will be some terriers that will be mostly catch...

I do agree that training pens are good no doubt! But also agreed that they need to be trained on big hogs! Didn't specify myself. 

$900 for a puppy??!?!?!)$!!!$! I m flabbergasted. Aint no way in hell I d guy that much on a puppy you didn't know would make the team.

Couldn't agree more, I have two registered jagds that are huntin fools, and would never pay that for any pup

8 months old and already started in obedience and has seen a hog. You get what you pay for and the funny thing is folks usually have to spend much more time and money to get a decent dog rather than just fork out the money to pay for something that has had a lot if time, money and planning poured into it to produce a better quality pup/ prospect. Not saying you can't get just as good dogs for cheaper, but the odds are not in your favor. JMO

here is the thing for me...a star is born and not made...if this 8 month old pup is on track to be a great one and he is bred right and looks right and socialized properly I would gladly pay the money...

That is rather confusing Reuben. We hunt hard, cull hard and breed the best to the best to try and produce the best dogs for ourselves. How is that not trying to make a better dog as opposed to them being born? Kind of the same thing or am I missing something? ( I am well aware that it doesn't guarantee that all the pups if any will be super stars, but keeping a few out of a litter to make sure that what you are doing is working then selling them according to age and ability seems only logical)

I would have to agree BUT I see where most are coming from saying that they wouldn't spend that much on a young dog, here is what you have to keep in mind, the fella "jhy" who just posted about that pup is buddies with the man with the dog and has been around it obviously due to his posts so he knows for sure that the dog is what his buddy says it is, we however do not. make sense? pretty much I am saying that if I had been in "jhy"s shoes around the pup growing up and been a witness to him progressing then I wouldn't mind at all spending 900$ IF he was the right dog for ME.........with that said, I don't know the dog or the trainer so I would be much more cautious, can't be too safe now days with people getting screwed over on dogs left and right.

There isn't a doubt in my mind that if I would have posted "snuff" on here at 8mths old for 1000$ that I could have got it, it probly would have been easy honestly, all I woulda had to do was post an accurate description of the dog and bring him to the woods with a potential buyer and let "snuff" do the rest. I can say this with 100% confidence and honesty, I would have payed 1000$ for snuff at 8mths old if I had been in the position to buy and not sell, I regret sellin that little devil to this day but family comes first and I was made an offer that at the time I could not refuse, such is life.

Joey...I agree that culling hard and lots of hunting makes a well bred pup that inhereted the right traits...be on track to make a great dog...if I am paying 900 dollars for an 8 month old pup I will have to see greatness for his age... because I will never pay 900 dollars for a pup on just genetics alone unless he was the only pup or dog left from a line of dogs that I wanted to preserve...good or great dogs can be found in a high percentage out of the right line of dogs but it is not 100 percent...
I wouldn't pay 900 dollars for a good dog...I would for a very good dog or even the right pup that is performing in an outstanding way...

I have to agree that you can have dogs bred out the ying yang....but that most definately is NO guarantee that the offspring themselves will always come out just as amazing if not better than the parents. That's what we all HOPE for though. The pedigree will tell you what a dog SHOULD be....but inevitably the individual dog will tell you what he or she actually IS.

I do not disagree with you fellas at all and I should have been clear in saying that this particular breeding had to be done by AI because a boar hog had cut the males pecker and the scar tissue was making it difficult for him to reproduce and  he is a dang fine dog that comes out of FCI registered dogs that have also been ZP tested, which is a versatility test.  I am by no means saying that the papers or pedigree make a better hog dog or hunting dog , but they are within the standard of the breed, which several of these jagds that are floating around these days are way out of standard.  

No sooner than I posted on this thread 2 folks contacted my buddy to buy the female, but he decided to place the dog where he can get back to her down the road.  He wasnt trying make a buck, but place the dog in a good working home because he doesnt have time to fool with her right now.  Also, he has a Serbian Import that he is really enjoying making a bird dog/ hog dog/ blood trail dog out of in the little time he has available to fool with a dog.

I plan on making one of the next set of pups I purchase a bird dog, it would be pretty cool in my opinion to have a little terrier as my birddog.

I have 2 free dogs that are going great. And I don't mind paying but just cause the dog has seen a hog and has some obedience doesn't boost it to $900. If it was a dog like Justin's snuff he mentioned. I d do it in a heart beat. But from talkin to Justin,  he had them hunting pretty regular from 5 or 6 months old and would definitely say they had more woods time then 1 hog (probably in a pen) those jagds were Findin their own hogs. I could see 900 for a dog like that.


the funny thing is folks usually have to spend much more time and money to get a decent dog rather than just fork out the money to pay for something that has had a lot if time, money and planning poured into it to produce a better quality pup/ prospect.

For the post you made there, personally I d rather have the pup, and train it, work it, put time and effort behind the dog then When it made a dog it would mean more and be more self satisfying. I do have dogs that I got at 1.5 and 11 months. That are doing good and wouldn't trade em for anything, but there's something to say when you see your pup you raised since 4-6 weeks old get to be 6 months and burns out 400 yards and makes a bay and choppin away.. That's JMO

Lacy,

That is why I raise my own dogs, but I was speaking in general as to someone getting into a new breed or just getting started.  If I got wiped out today, I would gladly go spend whatever it took to get what I consider a dog, because I do not have the time I used to have to train and get a dog going good in a few months or season.

I agree with you on the satisfaction of training a pup, heck who wouldnt, but if you want to get down to facts and monetarily speaking buying a proven prospect is much cheaper and less risky than raising a dog from a pup.  Plain and simple in my opinion, not saying that is what I do, but it is what it is.  Of course you have to know where to get the "Great Prospects" and that is the hardest part.

If I was given a puppy out of great stock or for 500.00 be able to buy a dog that is out of the same stock that is already on the right track a person would be a fool to gamble on that puppy if they were in need of a dog. 

Joey

By the way obedience is a great foundation for training any dog in any venue and it does add value and speak for the ability of the dog to a degree.

Joey

I agree with you, Mis understood some of the language I guess... But I see where your coming from now. And yes the obedience definitely helps, nice to have a handle on your dogs

10-4, trying to type on these phones makes it difficult to convey the message that you want too.

People can say what they want, but I have had several "culls" that prove that most dogs will work. Doesn't matter what u think u have if you can't hunt them in good country with ample game. Everybody knows and talks about Jesse Paul, but what they don't know is me and several other guys that hunt the same CPU try he does and catch the same quality and number of hogs. And several of the dogs I started with were somebody's rejects

*country, not CPU. Stupid autocorrect

I go out and hunt with Jesse every two or three months... culls don't cut it in the mountains around Vanderpool. That country will show you what your dogs are made of real quick.

Share your photo spread of those big toothy mountain hogs you've caught?

Can't upload em from my phone, and that was not a jab at Jesse, making a point about dogs. Ask Thomas and Krystal Rohan if I catch any hogs. And I am well aware of what it takes to hunt that country, I'm a rancher in Uvalde and medina counties and hunt some of the same ranches as him, have my whole life, tend to stay very low key, but commented here to make a point about how I feel about dog abilities.
Like I said, used Jesse as an example as I see people here act like nobody else around this part of he world catches the same hogs
Colt Davis
Sabinal, tx

I'm making a point also... not any old "cull" can cut in that country. It will show you what your dogs are made of real quick.

I guess I'm misunderstanding what you're saying?

Yessir, misunderstood what I was saying. Not "any old cull", but, I feel like 99% of people tryin to get themselves some hog dogs worry WAY to much about what they hear or read about dogs, vs goin seein what dogs do. Perfect example....... Got some pups from my line that are likely gonna be good dogs. Went to show them a hog for the first time the other day and my wife brought her mutt Australian Shepard cross out just so he could get off the chain. He had never seems hog, and bayed harder than ANY of my first string dogs do. Could have easily sold him for a lot of money to someone had that been a trial. And I have certainly taken out dogs that didn't come from a known bloodline and caught hogs with em. Just used Jesse as an example because of how I see people talk on here that have no idea who he is or what he is doing. He damn sure is a good hog hunter. Won't ever catch me say any different. But there are some of us that catch Jair as many, just as big, and we don't use the same dogs

Also don't take a picture of every good hog I catch. In fact hardly ever do, but do have some good ones around. Hunt alone a lot and they are not as cool to show just a dead hog

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I hunt junk too Bawl Mouth, but I don't mind feedin them and that's all that matters. Sometimes I catch a hog when I get lucky.

That country you and Jesse hunt looks like it would be too hard on most dogs physically?

I imagine it rough if they haven't been out much, but I bet any dog that hunts it much will adapt. I think I'm gonna go back to not posting now

Bawl Mouth, I'll be headed out to Jesse's in a week or two or three... maybe us three can get together and compare "culls"?

Maybe you see lots of people on this board talk about Jesse because they have hunted with him and his dogs... I know a bunch who have.

My wife's cheewawa will bay the hell out  of a hog too... but it's not a hog dog.

Lots of culls shine where hogs are plentiful and easy to catch... but a hog dog will shine where hogs are scarce and run like hell from being hunted year after year after year.

Sounds like y'all got it figured out

And it's chihuahua brotha

^^^^ :). I understand what you are trying to say I think . ( that good dogs can be picked up on the road side as well?) This does happen , but it is far and few between when you compare them to the turn out ratio you get with a proven line of dogs, and I am sure you know that.

That's like me saying it's brother and not brotha lol. Since when does spelling matter on this board. I'm just kidding. In the end I think it doesn't matter who catches what as long as your happy with what you have I don't think anybody really cares who has what or at least I don't care.

Nah, Mikes wife's dog is actually spelled Cheewawa! It's an east Texas thing!;) ( nobody is making fun of anyone's spelling or being rude, just joking and that's all, so please don't get your feelings hurt)

I remember a good while back when a buddy of mine was looking in the pet section in the Houston Chronicle classifieds...All of a sudden he straightens up as asks...What is a Cha who a Who a??? I said, never heard of one, must be a new breed of dog...I looked at the paper and it was a Cheewawa...  ;D

Must have been Mike selling miniature hog dogs!;)

...................not again!!! he said not to call em miniature cuz it hurts their feelins.........refer to em as "fun sized" lol ;D

Lol I knew mike meant to spell it like that