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I am thinking of crossing one of my pit gyps with a jagd and just wanted some input before I decide.thanks in advance

some guys up this way have done that for coon dogs they have alot more heart and more stamina then they breed the jagd back in again thats all the advice i can give you!!!

That sounds like......... ROUGH

Sounds like a hell of a catch dog to carry in the saddle

Will you be using a female game pit??

Heck ya

A Boudreaux carver female pit

dont know bout that one but my pit hung up with my jack russell the other day  :laugh: she looked like tow truck under there

Let me kno about the pups. Sounds like somethin I wouldn't mind havin to run around with me lol

if u make the line i need one to try i have hunted behide a jagd x currxpit long range run an catch any thing an have more drive then any crosses i have seen.   just make sure the breeding is matched up right , dog fights are not cool when 1mile from them.  so yall got a male jagd picked for the cross? 

this thread is tempting me, I have all the ingredients at the house to make that cross, just really can't justify it at this point in time......if my jagds prove them selves in the next few months I may reconsider this....most likely not lol but MAYBE........honestly though, my thinking is this, bulldogs have a certain place in my pack as do jagds, i can't say that I have any use for a long haired pitbull with a bad attitude around the house. If you have ever owned multiple male jagds at one time you can probably understand where I am coming from. I think to many people jump into jagds not realizing what they just bought, they demand ALOT of time and attention and they aren't your cute cuddly little lap dog, not trying to dissuade anyone just statin the facts that I have come to realize after owning them for a couple years!

What would you hope to achieve from this kind of breeding?

A he'll of a running catch dog

honestly, I think it would be more along the lines of a "hell of a vet bill" lol!

It may be but don't know till one is tried out

Good advice!
 Don't put anything past the females either. The two sisters I had, traded one off, could not be in the same pen, box, or anywhere within striking distance of each other. Them girls would fight until you damn near had to break them off each other.

Here are a few of my personal thoughts on the subject (I have considered making this cross or a similar cross on and off for a while) you have to look at it from both sides of the coin:

1) a jagd will grow to 25-30lbs MAYBE 35lbs, at least i've never seen or heard of one much bigger, one good thing to consider is that Jagd's are a relatively newer breed to hit the US and hog hunting world.........they as a breed have not been watered down to bad yet, so performance/standards/conformation won't be as broken down as the pitbull.

2) pitbulls some in just about every shape color and size imaginable.........this is where the real work in finding a suitable dog worth making the cross will come into play.

If......and it's a BIG if, I were to decide to make the cross for myself I would look for a pitbull that was taller than most and leggy with a good streamline body, tight flank and good strong jaw. I would not breed to a gyp the size and build of my current pitbull because I believe that I would be doing nothing more than watering down the jagd blood and making a buncha ugly short stocky long haired blue/black mutts with a severe little man complex lol.

An ideal candidate (in my eyes) to breed to one of my males would look alot like voodoo,the gyp that I bought from you last year Beau, If josh see's this post maybe he can throw a picture up of her, last time I saw her she was built close to the description I have above. 1 thing I would change (and she may have filled in/grew more since last time I saw her) would be that I would try to find a gyp a couple inches taller than she is. I would essentially be trying to breed a taller leggier jagd with a bit more muscle and not trying to make a shorter goofy lookin "bully" type pitbull.......if I want one of them all I gotta do is role through the hood in htown hahaha >:D. I would want a dog that would grow to 50-60lbs that when run in a pack could put the E-brake to the floor on a runner.

My last 2 males were the same way, it was an overnight thing.......it was like they went to bed one night buddies and overnight their cajones dropped and when they woke up there was HELL to pay........I got home from work to a massacre in my pens........from that day forward those two little dogs HATED each other with a passion......solved that issue by putting them on seperate sides of the yard on chains, even in the woods they would occasionally bump each other and tie into it........solved that problem by only bringing 1 of the 2 at a time......they are crazy crazy dogs but I like the hell out of em!

My neighbor has a jagd gyp that runs in the yard with all dogs and no fights

Here you go Justin.  Just took these the other day.

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thanks buddy, she is looking real good! fillin in some I see

No problem bud.  You can't tell as much in the pics but she's muscled up real nice.  Lean and ripped.

I don't think it would be, bc u r taking a chance of losing leg and bite by breeding to the jagd.   

My jagd male bred an american bulldog. (http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i172/mrenta26/8da69751029cabd9c056c72ee1c85df2.jpg)
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The jagd in the last picture is 9 or 10 days older than the bull-jagds. The pup in the last pic on the far right is male and is a bunch thicker, not any taller than the others. He has tons of loose skin, i expect he'll hit a growth spurt and be bigger than a jagd. The bull-jagds trailed a hog'skead i drug about 25-30 yards, barked at it a little bit when they found it. I'm pretty curious to see what they finish like, i'll post up periodicly

She ia deff bigger/thicker than last time I saw her, she looks great Josh, glad i passed her along to you.........have u used her yet??? And btw I havent been ignorin u, been in the unit dang near every time u have called and honestly have forgot to hit u back, this next 2 weeks is crunch time and busy busy for me, the project im workin is wrappin up, that means QC man runs around like a crazy man to make sure everything is done!

It's all good man I figured you've been busy with work and the fam.  Saw that pic of Hannah on that pig, good stuff.  Starting them young!  She's been in a pen a couple times.  She catches just haven't had one knock her around so she still kind of plays.  She likes leg too so I have to get her on ear but she definitely wants one when she sees it.  Kinda hard because I live in town and don't have anywhere to keep a pig...

 jagds are pack dogs i could keep 5 jagds together an no problems with them its when u have hogs our anything to get them excited over is when u have problems put black garden wrap on the cage so they dont get excited then u are calming there temp to each other. less they fight when young the better they are when older.
  german jagd are breed to be a pack dog with 50 or more in each pen . talking with german breeders that breed an hunt them can help u controll an under stand how u fix the problems before they start.  jagds are the smartest dogs as it stands . i cant tell u any other dog thats barks an shows baying progress at 3 weeks old at a hog squeal then at 4 weeks put a fake metal pig with hog piss on it for the smell while using the squeal then at 5 weeks old catching a 10 lb pig thats real .  then u dont have to use a live pig to train them all the time. i use a steel shaped metal pig painted black the size of the 10 lb pig to keeps them baying so they learn not to catch. sometime u get one nut thats usally the 1st pup that starts first that never learns .  i find it teaches them to burn a rut in the shape of a circle to leave a pig in the middle look at my photo . 2 mins the pig never left the center of a 8 ft board behide him . the pig smelled the circle of safe zone is what i call it. thats what i train in the earlly stage to keep them controlled when older. there i told yall my way that works for many big breeds ..  ;D it works look at my 6 month old pups still baying the metal pig there should be a video on this site.

I respect your opinion but I can't say that I agree with the above hi-lighted. the dogs you have barely resemble the dogs I currently and have had in my yard in the past, must be opposite ends of the jagd spectrum.........................

I have owned 8 different Jagds, 5 from the same line. Ihave never been able to keep them all in the same pen by 6 months old. they have plenty of room and get fed on opposite ends of the kennel and they still eventually fight, hell I just use it as a tool to know when they are old enough to put on chains lol, solves that problem real quick!

I'm not sure what you mean about the less they fight when they are young the better they will be when they are older, are you referring to them around the house or in the woods???? I know that the worst one i've had as far as fighting in the yard goes was also the best by far in the woods, he was catching 250-40lb pigs every time I brought him to the woods by 7months old, I have never had a dog of any breed do that before him. I don't use a pen much at all. I will keep a hog around the house but I bet I didn't show him to my jagds 5 times. once they fire off I don't waste any more time with em around the house.

Regardless of the differences in how we do I will have to say that the Jagd is one badass little dog!!!!

I entertain the idea if owning a jagd everyday

My jagds at puppy stage didn’t fight much by keeping there excitement down so they would never get rounded up as pups to cause them to fight. I kept them together while feeding. But I never kept a live pig at my last house so I controlled the excitement level while together as pups. so the less they fight as pups the less the grudge will be when working together as a pack while baying an staying together in a dog box our while living in the same kennel, while eating out the same bowl together too.   And for the color of my male i think the heinde terrier -maybe miss spelled, was breed into the roots of the line. my thoughts is bill mankins own a xl jagd weighted in at 34 lb. at the time as his first jagd dog he bought from German now the owner would be the [pdew screen name} so the remaining percentage should of been a 1/16 or less left in my male but the extra leg helps. Where ever they got it from. my male  came from cool dog ranch an my female is too but the father of my male is grit he came from cool dog/bill mankins an my female goes back to bills. That’s what I have backed tracked from papers. {Dirty dogs} thinks that the roots of my jagds was heinde terrier too but we could be wrong ... But one of the most impressive hearts of a dogs when it comes to hunting.

I have never seen a Jagd in person, so my experience with them is  none. I have had Patterdales for about 10 yrs, have made two crosses with pits.  The dogs in the cross are much more important than the breed.  It could work out very well forfor hunt, drive, game finding & finishing ability. OR it could be a different kind of fireworks , dog aggressive, eat everything including the dog house and metal food bowl. Keep in mind those dogs won't go to the woods to gather and herd stock.

for the pit/jagd cross i am looking for a jagd looking catch dog that the jagds may think its part of its pack . because jagds work better together.

I would think that as long as you raise it up from a young pup around the rest of your pack it will work regardless of color........ive been wrong before.........just once  :D

I own 3 Jags, two males & a female. They can be out together only when I'm home. In order to build on their pack drive/bond I feed all three together. But this takes training. First you must establish that your Alpha.  The way I do that is get a bowl of dog food and set it down.  Those that own Jadgs know this is a hard thing with two much less three.  But if they come near I jab them with my fingers/open hand in the neck & use the command "Back",  when they back off & are waiting at a distance. I pour the bowl out then say "get your food".  I sit close and watch. I watch for lip curling, growling, tails stiff and straight up, & hair sticking up.  These are tell tell signs of a fight or attack coming. If I see it I make a correction fingers to the neck while saying No.  I stay there till all the food is gone & pet each dog while they eat.  I do this at every meal. I believe Jags need to hunt as pack animal.  This is the method i use, good luck to my fellow Jagd owners.  Now like I said I only have them out when I'm home and separated when I'm not.  I have had the male dogs get into it during the females heat.  These dogs are a handful, but I would will always have one in my pack. My goal is a taller more bone Jagd.  I have a buddy that knows of a male(the sire to one of my males) that is closer to 40lbs, & several inches taller. This male is opposite of my other terriers. Loves to be close to owner, but when out in the field hunts just as hard as the other two. Verses nothing to do with you all hunt.

Anybody got a jagd-pit cross photos

friend I hunt with bought a female and I'd have liked to shoot it when we put it on the ground this weekend. She ran around for about a mile or 2 barking at nothing. Like she was trail barking but she was just running zig zag all over. Jagds known to trail bark? I don't know jack about em