EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Here....talk about all that y'all want to here.... If anyone wants to sue me,,,good luck and hope you got plenty of monety to waste trying to get nothing!!! ha ha  ;)

lets not forget barrs and dogo's............might as well throw em all in the same thread, it will hit a 100 posts in no time.........or get deleted lol >:D

Thank you have wanted to ask this for a while but didnt want to start a fight. How honest are the contests  know some guts are but have heard storys about the winners hogs ears not torn at all heck we get to them quick and ears sometimes are still riped some.  Just asking because this is a big reason I wont enter contests.

Purebreed,

     This is the first year that I have ever heard of someone failing a polygraph at a hog hunt.  Much less two failed poly's in as many weeks.

  I don't care how much money or "fame" is on the line, it's not worth the loss of one's integrity.  At least it's not to me.

The real bummer in all of this, is that the poly was instituted to confirm that the winners competed within the confines of the tournament rules. This year we have learned that one can break the rules, fail a poly, threaten legal action, and still "win" the tournament.

How is this going to affect participation in future hog hunting tournaments???

I don't know much about tournaments but I thought that lie detector results were instant. If someone truly failed a test how would they even get the prizes money to start with?

Not just poly being failed. Rules being broken and still getting a check. Don't miss the forest just to see the tree.

  I think the people running the contest need to step up. They are letting this happen , not the bad acts but letting people walk with the money and prizes. You can't say here is the check but you cheated. Man up.

x2  step up 

Guess I should have said the contests im talking about are small local contests10 to 20entrees no polys

X2 Chris.

A friend made tourny hunt a while back and the winners were local boys, with a 450# ish spread between them and sec place. The spread between 2nd and 5th was less than 50#. Made me wonder about the validity of the poly, the integrity of the tourny ruler, the judges and the team that won. It sounded fishy to me, but i wasnt there and its hear say, but the man has nvr given me any reason to disbelieve him on anything, he is just an old timer with values.

Anyone have details on failed polly

All this and more is why I have no intrest in the contest .  Am not going to run myself into the ground and also run my dogs into the ground for two three straight days and in the end only have to wonder what in the hell is going on .  Good dogs get killed , cut from being exhausted when otherwise it might not have happened .  All for bragging rights na just not for me till they can figure out a way to make it all right .

X2

My bulldogs will stay caught for a while with little or no damage done to the ears if I have a bulldog tearing ears off I will cull because if your bulldog tears a ear off every time you can only catch a hog twice before he has no ears

Lol guess your bulldpg has no k9s left and hogs just stand still once caught

Why haven't the results been posted?

Still not sure how they want to handle the failed polygraph tests?  Is everyone waiting for it to blow over, I mean come on, it's not a hard decision, put the friendships, money, and politics aside and do right by the people who played fair and square!

  i must have missed it . what tourny is in question ?

  never mind i found out .

I think you might be getting confused on what they are talking about , if a dog catches hog you can see he had been caught even if it does not tear the ear up , you can see the hog had had his ear caught or bit ,
There been a few hogs at tourneys that had no such sign of this , mayb there catch dogs caught somewhere eles who knows ,

Swamp you maybe right and I see a hog or 2 in a string but not a whole trailer load

You took the words right out of my mouth.....I have never had the desire to run myself and dogs into the ground over a weekend just for notoriety.

Waylon

IN UPSHUR CO. TOURNAMENT WE SEND A  JUDGE WITH EACH TEAM .

It is sad that is has to come to that!!! It seems the only to keep it fair now a days. Perty crappy a man can't keep his word over a lil money!!!

One other thing that gets me about these contest.  Everybody thinks if you win these things it means you have better dogs than the next guy that could be the furtherst from the truth for the most part  .  Most the time 99.9% of the time all it means is you have better places to hunt than most are the next guy other than that it is just being in the right place at the right time with the right dogs.  There is nobody on here that can tell me some people dont load these places with hogs just for these contest .  Lieing and cheating has been a part of competetion since the day it was invented its sad but its true .  You can either live with it are try to change it good luck with both .

Man money has been the root of all evil for all of time. I don't doubt anything a man will do for a dollar.

I entered all the contest this year we hunt a different place every time we went out. Several places we have never hunted for a contest. It is ashame that it has came to this. I enjoy pushing my dogs and enjoy the group I hunt with. We have caught more hogs in a month then we usally would catch all year. It has been fun. The tdha hunt was put together good and it was a successful hunt. Gator country had a nice turn out and we enjoyed it. The eastfork was a nightmare to most. Someone did fail the polygraph at gator country. The trail of tears stole money from me. Witch I would like to have my money back. Im not threatening with a lawyer. Im saying straight up you stole money from me Witch is steeling from my family and ain't no damn lawyer needed for that.

I respect a man that stands strong for what he believes in and isn't afraid to put it all on the table.

damn straight!!!

Technically the love of money is the root of all evil.


1 Timothy 6:10

I agree you must have good places to win contests. You must also be smart enough to hunt certain areas or particular places in a particular manner in order to place yourself in a position to win. However...the few teams that win or compete from tournament to tournamnet...year to year do have better dogs than most and probably have a yard full of better dogs than most.

The McVeays, Ward, Van Dorn, Elfrez and a whole list of other I dont know are probably in the 2% of real hog dogs better than the 98% out there. I dont know many others but see cutter& collars, J&K hoghunters that do well in tournaments and probably fall in the same cateogry as well. There are a whole mess of people with just as good of dogs that do not hunt these tournamnets or do not know how to win these tournaments....but they are in the few minority.

The coment about stocked hogs is dead on and I know this from the mouth of someone that has hunted these turnys. Barrs are stocked hogs once cutt they will stay around food right or wrong it is the truth.  I dont hunt the contests but some times wish I did but barrs keepe from entering as I have never caught one and dought I will places I hunt if I cut a hog loose I might as well kiss that placegoodby

Thats funny stuff right there...barrs stick around feed lol...and they cheated in the 1st one and somebody will cheat in all of them

that is exactly why I never hunted them...when you have plenty of spots with lots of hogs, not to mention open woods, and then special places that haven't been dogged...no since in wasting my money...right now I don't even have my own places...and the places we hunt the hogs are smart and the palmettos thick...

it aint just barrs that could be stocked... if you feed a sow or a boar in a place and keep doing so they dont need or want to leave. imo of coarse

About 6 months ago i had a boar in my 4 acre  pen and he was a big pud so he escaped...lol. but apparently found my feeder right outside the pen. well two months later my yard dogs caught him while i was at work. (not fun for my wife and daughter) anyhow some hogs will stick around food if fed

As long as I have hunted around here Milam Co. and a few neighbor Co. and as many hogs as I are we have caught I would say a big big number way way up there would not even begin to guess the number of hogs .   I have never caught but one Barr hog in my lifetime.  I dont care one way are another on the Barr deal with the contest but just saying wonder why that is ?

We did the tdha hunt this year and we had fun but not near enough weight and iv been hunting for ten yrs and finally caught a Barr my first one I talked to a guy the other day and was talking about ppl feeding hogs for these tourments and cheating ppl that don't cheat have no chance to win or even place and I told him the only way to keep ppl from cheating is to send a judge or etc with them .. It's crazy what money does to ppl it makes me not even want to hunt tourments anymore ..

Feeding hogs doesn't guarantee there will just be big hogs there, just look at a game cam picture. And whoever thinks a barr hog stays where ever he is cut or turned loose at just doesn't have much experience with them.

If you think a person can beat a lie detector ....you lost you mind.  I can Gurantee the person who won the tdha tournament didn't cheat. He has better dogs than 99% and yes probably better places and knows how to hunt a place to win.

Every person on this forum has the same opportunity as the next person. I won the tdha tournament an d didn't need a barr or to cheat to win. Ive caught one barr in my life. Believing a person can only win a contest by cheating is ignorant. There are plenty of excellent dogs, hunters and educated circumstances that play into such.

I live in the hill country...even my dumba$$ is smart enough to know I must hunt east in farm country to compete. I also understand I must change hunting methods in order to be successful. Thinking everyone who wins...cheats...is making and uneducated assumption. Take your dogs and go hunt with Cole McVeay...you will be humbled.

Two things that will always go hand in hand fellas................CONTESTS AND CHEATERS.  Just ask Lance Armstorong.

its in any sport.there are cheeters in any thing you can imagine,ive got traps over in comanche wired all my gates shut to my traps someone cought a nice size hog out of one of my traps drug it around 150yards to the road. someone was wanting that pig pretty bad lol

The guys putting on tourneys need to put their foot down and if you fail there should be no controversy, you're DQ'd.... One thing I think we should change is the trespassing rule, you can't teach a dog boundaries and a good dog is gonna go a long way. We all trespass at one time or another. Throw that out the window as breaking a game law. And a Barr is a precaught hog!! If you are gonna allow them in a tourney there should be a percentage of weight deduction. What would be better is have a tourney where we take your top 5 sows.

I'm too &$@ Da&@ mad to say much of anything at this point that would be helpful, productive or beneficial to anyone. So with that, I'll say, thank you mr Rex, you are on point exactly.

Hello fellas my name is Matt Noviskie I live here in Bellville, been hunting now for 12 years I have a good set of dogs I would think. I know this whole Barr thing has got out of control . I have talk to some guys that hunt for Barr s I see where they are coming from, it is tough both ways. Down here where I'm from I hunt for farmers, hay fields, rice fields , and cattle country, all hogs I catch either come out alive and sold to my buyer or dead ! I do have tons of great land to hunt. I work for the local electric coop so when I puttin power to these big places I sure am trying to find another good place to hunt. I am thank ful for all the places I have to hunt. I do understand about how all the fellas that are hunting the Barr country it's tough going out their hunting all day and you come up with Barr hogs and can't turn them in. I do understand that.... I wish I could catch a good Barr hog one day, but it's also hard for us guys down here to catch anything close to compare to a good Barr, I know a lot of folks that don't hunt contest for that reason and they have jam up dogs...  I think we all have good dogs or else we would not be on this site. This year I hunted a lot contest because I was in Josh's trail... I lost to cole by 10 lbs fair and square for hog dogger of the year. It was a lot of work but lots of fun. I met cole Sunday and a very nice guy he is. I also met Van Dorn he also a very nice guy, them boys just have good dogs and they hunt their a$$ off just like I do. My team and I did great this year, we didn't get first in any contest but we did get 2nd in fatboys contest 3rd in east Texas round up and 2nd in Tdha. I am a honest guy and I can truly say me and my team hunted by the rules and won by the rules. We passed all poly test in our contest that we entered. The only thing that kept me from winning the Tdha contest is that one good Barr cole turned in.. It made me sick but he won by the rules.... The east texas round up we also lost by barr hogs but my team and i took it and were very happy with 3rd place. Out of all contest tdha is the one I wanted to take first.. It will be tough for my team to take first with Barr hogs but I will keep trying. The last thing is let's all stick together this sport is very important to all of us so we have to get along to keep doing this great sport!!!!! I would like meet more of yal, I do understand both sides with Barr hogs but Im not one to fight about it.. I'm here to make friends and hope to hunt with alot of you one day.

Much respect to ya for that post Matt.

Thank you sir!!!!

Good post Matt

Poly tests CAN be fooled, u just hav to be very good at lying and convensing to the machine. Iv knowingly lied and passed the test 2x, and before u say the admin didnt know what he was doing, MULE FRITTERS, he knew his stuff. most can be beatn, BP and heart rate can be manipulated to give false readings

Hog hunting contests have pop up all over Texas in the last few years. Everyone seams to think that it easy to put one on and make some money for themselves or for a good cause. Its not easy, that's a fact, and its not something that can be done without a great deal of thought and planning.

Well written rules are a must. Good management is a must. A top quality poly-graph is a must.

A contest lacking in any, or all, of the above is a disaster waiting to happen.

A poor quality poly-graph is worse than no poly-graph at all. That's why the TDHA pays a great deal of money for the best poly-graph man money can hire. And also why the TDHA spends so much time on writing rules.

A poor quality poly-graph coupled with poor contest management and/or rules is going to be a problem. Good honest men may have their honesty questioned when they have done nothing wrong. Others who have broken rules are not caught because the right questions were not asked.

There are quite a few hunters on this board that have taken the poly-graph at the TDHA hunt with Capt. John Slator or his staff. I am sure they can tell everyone what it is like,  and that there is never any question about whether or not a winning team played by the rules.

If you have taken a poly-graph at the TDHA hunt post up on this thread and tell everyone your thoughts on the quality of the TDHA poly-graph as compared to others.

Thanks,
Paul T

Well even by the rules some people have an advantage. I have hunted with people that have called the dogs off to leave the pigs for a tournament. I know people that have avoided hunting a spot to save the whole spot for a tournament. Now there ain'y nothing wrong with that and I am not complaining about it. But if I have a place with a big hog I have to have that hog gone fast. I don't have any place I can leave a pig. As far as the land owners go it is better if I go hunt and don't catch anything because if I am catching hogs they have a problem. Because this is what I have I don't even waste time with a tournament. Now if I had those places I would do the same thing and enter.

Now do some people cheat? Of course they do and that I don't like. But having barrs you still have to go catch them. To me it is like going drag rcing with my diesel truck. The gas engine will beat me everytime so I don't race them. Congrats to the winners except those that cheated. You and God know if you cheated and I don't care.

I will say this I like everyone one of those guys who failed.at gator country. I see it is a rule is a rule. I have spoken to one of them about this im not running them down they did fail and the rule states no exception They took another polygraph test at the tdha and passed. Here is what I see about this. The trail of tears tournament leader was on the team that failed at gator country then he gives another at tdha to say they past. So one says they failed one says they passed damn lieing a$$ polygraph. Like I said I will be happy to shake anyone of these boys hands on that team that failed. I will stand behind what i say and will not run from it. The trail of tears organization is who stoped the barrs from being in the contest and he has had this bullchit happened in his competion. He did it to try and make it fair. But when his team fails the polygraph at gator country he gives them another and says they pass. Bump explain this to me if you don't mind.

Im not understanding the question? If it is beating a polygraph...It is my belief a person cannot go in and pass a polygraph that knowingly cheated or manipulate the outcome because they have some trick.

My previous comments on this discussion were directed at people who believe the teams winning or doing well in tournaments simply have better hunting places but not good dogs....and or they cheat to win. I agree good places are part of winning but my defense was people like yourself, Cole, Richard etc have better dogs than most and are winning or doing well because they have good dogs and know how to hunt.

If you are talking about who passed and failed a polygraph at gator country...I do not have any first hand knowledge. All I know is hearsay from others. Failed polygraphs and handling of the winnings is a whole other topic....but I feel that should fall on the integrity of the tournament and those who run them....not undermining the people who hunt and win honestly.

X100!

You can not beat a poly if it is administered by a true professional.

you can not make wildlife stay put in one spot and wait on you to come catch it.

All you can really do for a hunt is get your dogs lined out and hope that the hogs will be there and that you will get on the big ones and to do that you have to catch a bunch of small ones too most of the time.

These hunts are usually for fund raisers so get out and support them because the money goes to a good cause.  It makes me sick to see folks judging all tournaments based on a couple of isolated instances.  All I have heard is a bunch of whining as to why you cant win, and with that attitude you will never win anything so go out and give it a shot.  I promise you will have a great time even if you do not win.

Just to be clear, you dont have to bring in a trailer full of hogs to win a hunt.  For instance the Pretty Creek Hunt and The Randy Bumpur's Hunt had several different holes for you to compete for because not everyone has the dog power to catch 25-35 hogs in a weekend, to win the biggest stringer or heaviest 10 but I think we all have the dog power to catch 3 good hogs or a BIG BOAR.

Please remember the whole reason behind these hunts that the TDHA, Cole McVeay, Gary Wyche, BSDHA, etc. put on.  It always is for a good cause such as scholarships, feeding the hungry, 4H sports, and fighting for your rights to hunt with dogs.  That should be enough for you all to get out there and have a good time and compete.  I can assure that cheaters will be caught and promptly diqualified at any of these events run by these organizations.

Looking forward to seeing everyone at the Randy Bumpur's, a tournament I really dont have a chance to win but I love the competition and it is a blast to hunt and who knows I may get lucky one day and win it but I certainly wont win anything if I am not hunting in it.

   I was going to comment on this topic last night but realized that I had a couple to many Shiner Bocks in my system to be giving my opinion on such a touchy subject ! ;D :angel:

   I was the sacrifical lamb last year for my team in the Fatboy Outfitters Tournament so I know what it is like to sit there sweating bullets over a polygraph test. I was not nervous because I was lying or because my team had cheated. I was nervous because I had no prior experience with polygraph tests and I was worried about a MACHINE that was operated by a person that I did'nt know making a mistake and making me look like a liar to everyone and I would be the only person who knew I was'nt lying. I can see with some of the questions that are asked how a person could fail and still believe they are telling the truth. I don't agree with the " did you break any Texas game laws" question. It is to vague and leaves to much room for error. Also a simple mistake like letting my son lead the catchdog back to the wheeler out of sheer habit could get you disqualified in some tournaments. I have a couple dogs that a friend and I are partners in and I worry about hunting those dogs unless he's there because it could possibly cost me on the Poly test and according to my kids I don't even own a dog, they own them all, so it's possible that that could get me . I have places to hunt that are high fenced on one or two sides and barb wire on the other sides and I don't hunt them for a tournament but sometimes you will end up on them with a bad runner that you struck on a property that is close to them and that could possibly get me on the high fence rule. Call me paranoid or a worry wart if you want to but my word and good name are all that I own, the bank and the Government own everything else, and I believe that if a tournament organizer is going to put a hunters integrity and good name on the line with a polygraph test then they owe it to the hunters to be very specific with their questions and to hire the best polygraph firm that money can buy! I will never intentionally cheat to win a hunting tournament, I value my own integrity to much for that. Trespassing to get my dogs or some stupid little mistake like I explained above might get me but not purposefully cheating. If that does happen then I will explain what might have happened to throw up a red flag and pleade my case but if they decide to DQ me and I do'nt sense anything fishy or that their playing favorites for the next team in line then I will regretfully hand over my prizes. And if anyone wants to call me a liar to my face then we can roll around in the rocks for a few minutes but I would never threaten to bring a lawyer in on a hog hunting tournament, that's ridiculous! I don't know wether it is possible to beat a poly graph but I do believe you could fail it and not know why.

    I think that everyone should have to play by the same set of rules and those rules should be enforced the same for every team regardless of personal relationships. Don't have a polygraph test if your not going to enforce it and any decisions that have to be made should be made then and there. The worst thing an organizer can do is give the hunters that participate a reason to lose confidence in the validity of their tournament or tournament series.

Disclaimer: I was perfectly sober when I wrote this so if you don't like my opinion then blame it on the lack of my blood alcohol level ! Ask me again after 10:00 p.m. and you might get a more interesting answer ! :D >:D

Lance,

      I feel like you do, in that what does a man have, if he doesn't have his good name...

   

Lance,

That is a very good point, and a very valid one.  I have the same fears about the polygraph and I am not so sure that something like this did not happen to the fellas who failed the poly and that is why I wish they would explain because I have stated several times that I just do not believe that someone would "Intentionally Cheat" when they know there is a polygraph test and that their reputation is at stake.  The fact that the parties involved have not explained to us, that I am aware of, or made a final decision on the tournaments makes things look a lot worse than they probably truly are and now it is starting to hurt all the tournaments.

Whoever was in charge of these tournaments that the polygraph was failed should have talked to the polygraph guy to find out exactly what question he or she failed and then have them explain what happened and if it was something silly like my dogs got onto private property and I had to go get them and catch the hog then make the call there on the spot if he should DQ them or not.  Same goes for the scenario with your Son walking the Catch dog.  I do not think anyone would fault that at all and if they did shame on them.  Point being they need to be decisive no matter what there decision is and stick to it.

If it is a highly trained polygraph man, like the one they will have at the Randy Bumpurs Tournament, then nobody will have anything to worry about.  He has helped write laws about polygraph's and even put Federal Judges in jail with his ability.  He is very good about getting you to relax and far away from the crowd so there is no pressure.

Joey

The same with all hunting sports. A judge with guidelines. One of the biggest rackets around is coon hunting and they use judges.

Just curious. I never hunted a tourney but I wanted to couple wks ago but did not have the chance. Ok the rules say no alcahol before poly? That would dq me right there bc when I get done huntin I like to drink beer. And I would be nervous if I had to take one and would need a few beer to calm my nerves

Why don't everybody just have a judge go with them?   That would fair it all up and is better than a Polly graph.  I can tell you about those things I worked for a company in Deer Park Texas that we had to take them once twice a year and every one of them I have ever taken they have come back and said they are inconclusive that they could not read one on me to tell were I was lying are telling the truth they could not tell !  I don't trust-em and wont do them period .

  brad alcohal or being hungover , high blood pressure are just a few of the things that will cause a bad result on a polygraph . 

Judges can be bought and plus it is hard to haul a stranger around and expect them to keep up with you for two days especially if you are traveling, staying in a hotels or sleeping in the truck.

Polygraphs can be fooled, but it is worth your intergretity?

I can speak only from my own experience, but if a judge accompanies team high yeller, he'd better be in dang Spartan warrior shape and be just as mentally tough Cuz when chance is on horseback it's hard to keep up with him on and ATV!!! Only way to beat him to a bay is to get in TShelleys pocket , cuz that son of a gun is faster than a horse! And the only way to beat Tony is to keep up with Rowdy! That boy must have a teleporter cuz you can leave him on the buggy and sprint to the bay and he will already be there and getting bored by the time you get there!!! :D :D

Bass fishing,rodeo or hog hunting there will always be those that are elite.

Also, what does a judge do in the event of a split bay? Poly is the only sure fire way to go. Plus criminal charges can be brought against a cheater and be put in jail. The guy who runs the BSDHA polygraph test and will probably be doing the Bumpur's this year busted those boys about 10 yrs ago cheating in 100K prize fishing tournament. They each got 10 yrs in jail I believe for fraud. They had a stringer of fish tied up to a dock somewhere and failed the poly. I have faith in the polygraph if administered by a true professional in a quiet setting.

Judge goes to first hog called bayed or can elect to go to closer. It is two different worlds so would be hard to do with a judge.

Quite honestly the presence of a polygraph in any competition is more a deterrant for someone to not cheat than what the results could conclude anyhow and anyone who believes any different should do some reading.  There is a reason that (speaking specifically for Texas) law forbids their use completely in all law enforcement contexts.  Simply put, the results are unreliable.  Don't think for a second that they can't be beaten...heck the elite military trains for it.  Good poker players would have no problem.

When you enter a competition, you agree that should you win you will be subject to a polygraph test and by doing so you also agree to accept the results of that test.  Taking it one step further and thinking that the same test results could be the basis for some type of lawsuit is absurd.

It's quite a shame in my opinion that something like this is even a topic of discussion.  It's a hog hunting tournament for goodness sakes.

I agree 100%

Im with you as well, what ever happened to a good time with good people doin what you love??? Sad that money makes people so crazy

The thing thats sad to me is usually these comps are raising $$ for a charitable cause, and seems like folks should be in the spirit of helping that cause, not winning at all cost. Plus,,i cant stand a thief, and cheatin is like stealing

I just cant  understand why people have to cheat. it just don't make since just go hunt be honest if you win good if not it is still good. I would just like to hunt a tournament one time but the way I work that will never happen because I have no schedule but sounds like it would be a lot of fun. Polygraph is just like a lock on a door it keeps the honest people honest a damn thief is going to steal and  cheat anyway!!!

I'm so tired from tournament hunting, I'm just now feeling like posting anything. We've tied a 115 hogs since January 1st.

In the contests where Barrs were allowed in the stringers we caught none. And when they weren't we caught some freaking studs. It's simply luck of the draw people. For the whole food aspect and them staying around, people are straight Idiots. Im sorry, it just doesnt happen like that. I agree that not everyone can cut Barrs, and that your hunting areas generally dictate that.. But how is that our problem where you get permission to hunt. We have worked hard to get access or lease the land we do. People can say Barrs have an advantage, but in the same token. Feed lot and farm country "normal" hogs are way bigger than our piney wood, pine straw fed "normal" hogs.

In the last 5 years our team has never once failed a polygraph; we've won over 30 buckles and over $10k through that time. And still the rumors stir like crazy about us or any other top team cheating. So is life. There is always someone that's going to hate on the people on top. Haters are gonna hate regardless of it's out of jealousy, greed, spite or any of their other character flaws.

Congrats to Cole, it's always been us or him battling it out over the years. Much mutual respect has developed for people that continuously rise to the top in a competitive sport such as this. Matt you pulled a helluva stringer this year, congrats on some good weight as well.

We've always welcomed a judge or someone to tag along and film our whole weekend in a tournament. We have nothing to hide. But like t-bob said our pace and style of hunting will straight run you into the ground. you better tighten up to make it in a weekend tournament hunt with us. its so much work, you have to have genuine love for the sport and your dogs to get through it all. I don't know if a polygraph is 100%, but I do agree that it is black & white. That when a team fails, they should not be allowed to win. Plain and simple. Lawsuits have no place in these tournaments, unless real issues arise. Here again we have the city-slicker type, kid attitude of growing up with a little education and some money and when things don't go your way people start saying well I'll sue you, etc, etc... I would have more respect for a man if he threatened to whoop my ass versus threatening to sue me over a menial hog hunting tournament. There's more to life than that and I hope in the future the justice system won't continuously be made a mockery of with these outlandish threats.

We won't hunt anymore tournaments that don't allow Barr hogs in the stringer. Plain and simple. It's just too much work and dangerous for our dogs to put them in that position anymore. There is still this since of disappoint in our minds over this whole issue.

I'm still picking thorns out of my hands from the TDHA hunt. We tied 24 hogs in a 12 hour period on Saturday. It was a great event and we spoke quietly to lots of people about the Barr issue and how to improve the contest. We will see how it proceeds from here.

Good luck and happy hunting to everyone

polys are instant....there should acouple of "baseline" questions then a few real questions. usually the same questions in a series of 2 to 3 sets. not necessarily in the same order. normally 3 dif ways to test for deception. sweat , breathing rate and heart rate. the most important part of a polygraph is the interview

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....yes keep the legal stuff out and knuckle up. win or lose there's always a mutual respect when you get punched in the face.  I have access to an octagon cage and a boxing ring. and I can bring it anywhere you want
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Parents cheat at little league ??? Bring in over age kids and lie for what? Some people will even cheat at solitaire rolleyes I don't understand it and I am glad.

Very well put Tony and congrats on y'all's year as well. Hopefully I will have time to visit with you this next month at Bumpur's tourney.

If u win a contest no matter what someone is going to say u cheated we won the pearsal  contest this yr and some people said that we cheated people just can't take the fact they got beat

And that's exactly what the polygraph should fix.  It should be pass or fail, you pass end of story, you fail end of story...NOT let's take another one and count one and not count the other.

poyls dont work like that. the administer is trying to get you to admit something. that is why the interview is the most important part.

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How many have you taken? I observed one and he asked simple questions from your drivers license so he could get a read on your vitals when you are telling the truth, so when your vitals went up or irregular when asked a question it was an indicator that you are not telling the truth. I also have a friend who owns a drug and gun distribution center. He uses the polygraph instead of drug tests for his employees. Through the years he has learned all the tells of a lie. Don't tell me that a man who has been educated at MIT, HARVARD AND OXFORD UNIVERSITY's doesn't know what is the most fool proof test.

Folks are going to say the winning team cheated no matter what because our sport is full of uneducated poor sports, but they are becoming a minority thank God! The results of a polygraph should be final and the person giving the poly should ask the exact same questions for each person and I believe that they should post the questions along with the results.

I heard that the fella running the Gator Country hunt mishandled the pt graph by asking the fella who was giving it to ask FatBoy Outfitters some questions that were not on the list of questions because he had heard they may have run a hog down on a 4 wheeler with a bulldog. That isn't right! You ask a set of questions that pertain to the rules only. If they did do that but a dog found the hog first then they technically were legal, but still a gray area. If my dogs bay a group and as I am going to the bay a boar hog breaks towards me as I am unsnapping a bulldog and bulldog gives chase and catches it then that is within the rules because it was" found by a dog and caught by a dog".

Please do not cast doubt on the validity of a polygraph anymore with all this "spy" talk and assumptions as to how they are supposed to function like "getting you to admit that you did something wrong". This is a proven science and not some type of manipulative ploy to scare folks into telling the truth.

Now I am ready for the folks involved in both hunts that are in question to speak up and tell the truth to clear their name and restore some integrity back to the hunting comps.

humph...ok

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Lol yeah, i second that humph! I dont not like all of this nonsense talk. I know a man who was top 5 in dang near all of these tournys, while i cannot be sure i have a feeling that a few of these comments were directed at his team! This 1 man has helped me more in this sport than everyone else I know combined and is as honest and straightup as the day is long.......all this soap opera bs is ridiculous!