EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I had what you would call a pretty bad day yesterday....  My CD Ruger got out of his pen somehow, I still dont see how and he and my house dog that runs loose on my place went on a little adventure.  One that one didnt return from.  I know what they did is not good, and I cant put alot of blame on the woman and what she felt she should do.  They went almost three miles from where I live and got into a fellers hog pen.  Killed 3 hogs and tore another 4-5 up.  Now these pigs were suppose to be his "show pigs" but after I could actually think about everything lastnight with a cool head, who shows 200 lb hogs in shows?  2 hogs were that size and the other was a prego sow that was about 400 lbs.  So the woman decided to take a baseball bat to my dogs.  I could understand a gun, but I mean a F&%%&( bat?!?!?!  How in the hell unless it was attacking a person could someone do that?  It took me prob 45 mins from the time it ahppened to leave work and get there.  Met a deputy and the owner and that bitch there.  My dogs laying there and they didnt even shoot them.  I shot Roam, my kids and my girlfriends dog.  Ruger stood up and came to me, but he is not in real good shape.  I figure if he can make it through the weekend he will be ok, but its very hard to also sit there and watch him struggle to breathe.  I asked her how many times she hit them after they were already down and she wouldnt answer.  She said she didnt shoot them because she is on parole and cant use a gun....  That pissed me off even more.  Have some damn decency....  I mean these are family members to me.  Say a prayer for Ruger if you would, sorry I just needed to vent a little.  RIP Roam.

Sorry for yalls loss

Everyone shows 200 pound hogs bud I got 4 right now sorry to hear that about ur dogs I like ol tiger did the cops do anything to her where the pigs not hers

Ruger not tiger dang auto correct

She is a house cleaner or something, no, I think he chewed her ass out before I got there is what the owner told me.  Id do more than that if I ever see her, woman or not.

If she didn't own the pigs u can file cruelty charges on her ass

Not her hogs and shes on parole and beat your dogs to death. Dont think so be a little bit of a legal problem headed her way

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Yep only the owner or their agent can do that

And even then the owner can't beat one with a bat I've had lots of run ins with neighbors dogs when I raised game chickens

If somebody's dogs got after my livestock or anything that belongs to me I would use whatever is closest for me to get a hold of.

Did she tie the dogs off and beat them to death with the bat? If that's the case she is completely in the wrong, however, I don't believe she will get in trouble but you probably will. That is how it usually goes!

Idk, Id like to just let everything go on one end, and not draw #2 out, but on the other hand I mean theyre dogs and she beat them with a bat....  Cop also told me that if Ruger lives there are now alot of legalities with him?  Im not sure, but he said he would now have to be insured and blah blah blah.... Anyone know how that works?  He swore up and down that would be the case.  I hope not because he is like a kid to me, but if so he already has a home lined up with a good buddy of mine on here.  The officer is suppose to call me within the next week and I will ask him about the animal cruelty charges and stuff.  IMO its cruelty.  A gun would suffice in my yard.  Not a bat.  I believe she hit them while they were caught?  But I guarantee she kept going even after they were down, I hadnt ever seen anything so sickening in my life.   

Sounds to me like she went over board. Sorry to about your dogs. I hope she gets in some sort of trouble

I had a neighbor shoot a beagle of mine , right between the eyes.  My wife heard the shot  and petey never came home , when I got home I got my chow and off we went , he lead me to the dog , he was laying in there front yard  , I flipped. Out , dragged the dog up on the poarch , and started beating there door down , I also had my 40 tucked in my pants out of sight , there was three men there and they all hid behind the locked door  , saying they didn't know nothing , he was just running bunnys , no harm , I ask them to come outside very rude like , screaming , they were all bigger than me but I guess they has been barred , I went home and got madder and went back , trying to get them all out for the super a$$ whippen , they wanted no part of that , so I called the law ,  if the dog would have made it back to my property it was animal cruelty  , but since he didn't there was nothing they could do , I also made a few threats and he moved his whole herd of cows to his back yard for at least 6 months , his dog came in my yard about a year after thAt  , it was a small dog , man did I want revenge but the animal had nothing to do with there stupidity, so I picked it up and back to his house I went , I knocked on the door and when he opened it  you should have seen the look on his face when I handed his dog back to him in one piece and said he was in my yard ,it took a long while for me to get over this , I still would of liked them to step out
 so I could of tried to beat them all three red neck style , I'm sorry about your dogs  , good man for keeping your head , boy you can have some sick thoughts when something like this happens

 

I believe it depends on her side of the story.  A lot of what courts rule on is what a "reasonable person" would do.  When asked about beating the dogs what if she replied.."I kept hitting them until they let the hogs go".  That may be reasonable.  I would think most people would do that also.  Like previously mentioned, what if a bat is all she could find?  I doubt she had a break stick handy.

No but I know damn well she had a gun.  That would have been better.  Bob, Im sorry to hear about your dog, yes alot of thoughts do go through your head, and they still are.  I honest to God think I could beat a person with a bat easier than I could a dog.  May just be me.  ON ANOTHER NOTE, THE OLE LADY SAID RUGER IS UP AND MOVING AROUND A LITTLE MORE THIS MORNING, HE ATE SOME LUNCH MEAT AND WE HAVE BEEN KEEPING HIM HYDRATED.  ALSO HE NEVER DID PEE YESTERDAY AFTERWARDS, AND HE PEED AND THERE WAS NO BLOOD AND IT WAS PRETTY CLEAR SO HE IS STAYING HYDRATED.  THANK THE LORD. I HOPE HE PULLS THROUGH. 

Sorry about your dog but I do not think the law is going to see you as the victim here. Your dogs went on someone's property and killed there livestock I would try to pay for there hogs and and hope they didn't press charges on me.

Josh, its good he is doing better today. To bad u couldnt prove she continued to hit them after the threat had been resolved. Payback come in 10 folds. She'll get her justice 1 day, hopefully some1 will do that to her

Charles, I would volunteer to do it, thank you though, Im glad he is doing better too. Just hope it continues....

Agreed

x2...catch type dogs need to be kept where they can not get loose because they can and will kill livestock including  dogs, chickens, and they could get on someones child...

Yes josh should pay for the animals his dogs killed and mamed, And Maybe so on not lookn at him as the victim, but as far as beating dog to death with anything, that shows unmalice forethought. I can understand using what ever means nessecary to remove the threat, but it takes a lot of efforts to beat something to death with a bat. Once the threat from the dogs was established, it shouldnt have taken a deadly beating of 1 and near deadly beating of another to remove the threat. Hopefully animal crualty charges will be filled on the woman and she is found guilty. Josh as quoted, if i was u, i would be finding out how much the hogs are gonna cost you and go ahead and pay for them AND GET A RECEIPT or bill of sales for the damaged and dead hogs and restitution for a couple future litters. Once u hav made good on damages and show proof of payments to the court if the issue every arrises. Good luck to ya and u get some kind of compensation for ur dogs

  well this is a shame but , your dogs are at fault and you are liable for damages . as for the dog you might as well get rid of it when it recovers . sad but that would be best for you because it being a bulldog they are going to label it as dangerous and all sorts of rules regulations and money is involved in keeping one . and I don't know about yours but I know my white gyp you would have to beat to death before she will let go on her own and most catch dogs are this way . like I said this is a shame and knock on wood I don't ever have it happen . but get ready,  because I doubt this will be swept under the rug or go away quietly .

I paid the man already and he was very understanding and actually apologized to me several times about the whole thing.  We shook hands, talked work and hunting, drank a beer and cooled off at the same time yesterday.  Its the way the woman was and how she did it.  Im not trying to look like a victim, I know what they did was their/my fault.  Ruger has never gotten out of his pen in the almost three years Ive owned him and Roam (the one killed) was our house/yard dog.  My kids' dog..... He hasnt ever even been hunting with me.  Never planned on it either.  Ruger comes through, he will be well taken care of and back to hunting if he has a complete recovery.  if he comes around and cant hunt, then he will be a fat house dog!

Very sorry to hear that Josh! 

Hate to say it and that's one cold b**** to be able to do it but your dogs were harming their livestock even though it was by no fault of your own I don't see her liable here.

i got a ninja suit......

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   yes I understand all that josh but now the law or state is involved and all i'm saying is this won't most likely go away from their standpoint . just be prepared for it  .  I.E.  kinda like slapping somebody and then apologizing . if the police made a report the state will pick up the assault charges even if the man you slapped drops the charge . they may require you to have a special kennel restriction and the purchase  of liability insurance on the dog  .

Can they make him do all that if he aint got the dog? If the dog just happens to run away or dies, whos to know? The dog was given away, dont remember the guys name

Well fellas he "died".  Thats all they need to know. They can look hi and low is all I got for em. 

Sry to that. Hopefully that voodoo majic gets passed onto to her

I'm with ya Josh.  It's the who and why of it that offends me.  What's the cleaning lady doing defending the pigs?  Is that in her job description?  And who in their right mind goes after two dogs with a bat, unless they have to?  Karma is a BEACH!  You get what you give I believe.  And she's written a big old cosmic check that'll be cashed one day.

Yeah you would at least think she would yank on the dogs cods, blow in the dogs ear, or know how to use a break stick properly....while the dogs are mauling Babe and Arnold Ziffel rolleyes

No but you might think she would shoot them or just knock them off until they stopped.  I know with the way she talked about it she kept going after the fact.

id be mad they beat my dog with a bat and prob would of went to jail for acting like a fool but you did the right thing by keeping your calm. maybe your bulldog will pull through and be ok. i have a yard dog that is just a mutt but he is a good yard dog if one can be haha, but a while back someone shot him in the back hips im sure for no apparant reason just to be mean i guess but no one around my house has any yard dogs.

Well hate to hear about your dog. I pulled in one time and two dogs were killing my kids show goats. I realized when I drawed down on them they were cur dogs. I went and caught the dogs. They had collars with nameplates I was a bit upset at first but after a minute I ask the hog hunters to pay for the goats. Both boys paid me for what I had paid for the goats and I could respect them for that  My kids show and work hard and love there animals if someone's dog is killing
My animals I will do any means necessary to kill that dog. I hate your dogs got killed but they were doing something they were not supposed to be. I know it was not on porpoise but it happened

Update on Ruger, he has been eating and drinking good today. Sarah, my gf has been here for him while I have been working and said she took him outside and he was happy to be out of the house, and VERY excited when she took him down to the pen to see his buddy Achilles, my strike dog. Thanks for thoughts and prayers, but keep em coming! He still needs them.

I thought he died?  ;)

No...he "died"!!!! Lol

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 Well look on the bright side. At least they weren't trashing.  :)




 
 Too soon?  :-X

I would not be surprised if the county makes u put the dog down. I would not raise a big stink over it if you want to keep the dog.... Sure the lady may have gone overboard but if all i had was a baseball bat and two dogs were attacking my livestock......... A base ball bat would do just fine by me. My daughter showed hogs and i had a ton of money tied up in them, you should feel lucky charges have not been filed on you. Good luck and sorry about your dogs

I Agree. I would beat my own dog to death if I had too to get them off my 300 dollar show pig or 500 dollar brood sow. Nobody likes these kind of situations. Bitter on both ends but I would have done the same. I don't know the dogs and not trying to get bit. My goal would be to get them off and to stop trying to get at the pigs any way I could. And if killing them is the way then that's what's gonna happen. But these situations do suck. Had one of my catch dogs kill 2 of my mother n laws llama's and she tied it up and shot it. Bitter but it happens and it was my fault because my pen wasn't good enough. Only takes them getting out once for the crap to hit the fan

yes sir...we have to take responsibility on ourselves when the dogs get out and cause property damage...

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but the woman had a gun is what pissed me off. Took me about an hour from the start of it to getting there and Roam laid there struggling to breathe because that what you never call a woman said she was on parole and couldn't use the gun. I hope that woman gets her jaw ripped off, she ain't got no f%#+<^> teeth anyways...

Josh I agree with you whole heartly but you are a heck of a guy for not loosing your composure if it ever happens to me I hope I could do the same.   Think you need to go huntin or something to get your mind off things good luck again

am i missing something. hog dog got out, hog dog got on hog. hog not feral. ....sounds like owner of dog might be replacing a non feral hog. not dogs fault, not owners fault. not missing teeth lady fault. still PROBLEM...

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There are ways around that. I speak from experience.

As bad as the fact may be the lady was on parole. Useing a gun coulda landed her back in jail. While u may think that is a good thing with out a doubt it was not where she wanted to go. She used the means available to her that didn't result in jail time that would do the job to save those pigs from those evil dogs. When u add the fact that one of the dogs was a bull dog the fear level jumps up. The majority of people are scared to death of a bull dog as u know. When she got to swinging and as the dogs were knocked of the hogs I'm sure she kept swinging till they stopped moving. This would be logical in a fear situation to me because until they stop moving they remain a threat to a scared person.

I would to be mad as the devil but u must look at both sides. There may have been a gun but to a paroled felon that didn't want to go back to jail it may as well have not been there. Also who is to say she even knew how to use it. It is possible she may have been scared she would hit a pig. While these dogs were ur pets to her they were strays or something similar.

The point was made that she had no right beings she was just the housekeeper. I don't agree here. If ur neighbor had prize horses or prize cows and u knew they were show animals his kids loved and u saw some dogs had done killed one or more and after some more. In this case u happen to be fearfull of dogs and no gun on hand and only a 2x4 or piece of pipe. Would u do anything or just drive on.

I'm not saying she was right. I am just playing devils advocate here giving possible scenarios. Ur dogs were important to u and I hate u have to bury one and pay for the others rehab but it happend and unless u see both sides u will never get over it.

The only thing my catch dogs go for is a 100% pork. I had a mishap with both of them on cows and broke that really really quick. Heck theyll run through deer cows and goats and not even look at them. Now web they see a pig they are wild with a little handle still , not much though lol. So if they are hog dogs it would only be natural for them to catch higs jmo. Still hope everything works out for you

To the guy who said he would beat his own dog to death, WTF????  Must not be a dog handler.

I'm not saying I'm gonna tie my dog up and beat it to death, but I would beat it until it got off of something it's no supposed to be on, like my kids show hog. And if it happened to die from the injuries it sustained from me trying to get it off then that sucks but you don't have much choice in those situations.

If you have the proper handle on your dog no beating is needed don't sound like a dog handler to me jmo

This is a hypothetical dog how could I have a handle on it?

I think what he is tryn to say is, that with it bein YOUR dog, IF ur dog was caught on somethn they werent suppose to be on, then u have not broke your dogs from it.
The whole u dont hav a handle on thing mite be a lil much, but (here we go with IF again) if u had to resort to beating ur dog to death, then u mite not should have had that dog to begin with since u didnt know or want to learn how to break it off something once caught. If u can get close to beat it to death with out injuring the animal its caught on, then ur close enuf to use a break stick or some other method other than beating it to death, remember the dog is yours, not some1 elses so u should know how to handle your dog.

i hope ruger gets better josh, and i would talk to a lawer and see if you have a chance to file cruelty to animal charges. that place she was at is a dope house and she probly was tweaky. i personly would have got put in jail looking at my dog suffering . it would have looked like babe ruth was in the house

Monty he seems to be better by the day, he took another stroll outside yesterday and seemed to enjoy it.  Swelling has gone down on his head.  He finally opens his right eye now, I believe Saturday he could kinda open it, but yesterday it was open all the way.  Now, that being said, best I can tell is that he is blind or partially blind in it.  It is very cloudy and when I move my fingers in front of his left eye, he closes it, when I do it to his right, he doesnt even know it.  Hopefully maybe that will clear up, but if he keeps coming along and ends up blind in one eye, well I guess that is alot better than what coulda been. 

IMO a hog is a hog, a dog doesnt know the difference in a domestic hog or wild hog.  He did what he thought he was suppose to do.  Thats no different than a boar, a sow, a shoat, or a good ole barr hog.  Theyre all swine.....  Your dog is doing what its suppose to.  Sorry, I never had a show hog to practice and break a dog off it lol.    rolleyes

I agree with monty, josh. It wont hurt to speak to a lawyer, explain exactly what happened and what you did to recoupe the damages to the owner of the hogs and see what the lawyer says. U probly dont hav a case, but i look at the neg aspect of life, but a honestly hope something can be done to her. No matter what ur dogs did, there had to be an alternitive to what she did. Its good to hear he is gettn better and hopefully the eye will be ok n clear up. MAKE sure to take a LOT of PICS of him before and during his healing. Best of luck to ya n ur dog.

Thank you Charles. 

Ok I understand that. That's why I don't have a bulldog since the llama incident. Dog had never seen a llama to break it from it. Didn't mess with cows or horses. Just too much liability were I live.

I think what he is tryn to say is, that with it bein YOUR dog, IF ur dog was caught on somethn they werent suppose to be on, then u have not broke your dogs from it.
The whole u dont hav a handle on thing mite be a lil much, but (here we go with IF again) if u had to resort to beating ur dog to death, then u mite not should have had that dog to begin with since u didnt know or want to learn how to break it off something once caught. If u can get close to beat it to death with out injuring the animal its caught on, then ur close enuf to use a break stick or some other method other than beating it to death, remember the dog is yours, not some1 elses so u should know how to handle
Ok I understand that. That's why I don't have a bulldog since the llama incident. Dog had never seen a llama to break it from it. Didn't mess with cows or horses. Just too much liability were I live.
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You got my kinda luck when you got your dog broke off everything and it finds a damned llama to catch lol

A little different but what if you walk in to a man murdering your wife or even another woman. There is a baseball bat next to the door. Do you hit him once so he lets go of your wife? or do you swing till he is a grease spot on the floor? I realize it hurt your feelings. It would hurt mine too. I also realize you made things right with the owner and seem good with him but I wouldn't tempt fate. You go after his cleaning lady and he may forget your ceremonial beer and take up for his employee. As bad as it hurts I would sink into the shadows, cut your loses, and let time heal.

I try to see it from her eyes. I see 2 unknown and seemingly hostile dogs (she doesn't know they are tame pets) attacking and killing my employers prized pigs. If he knows I just sat back and watched he would likely be upset not to mention thats not how I roll. For whatever reason I'm not legal to use a gun. I'm not gonna go to jail on a gun charge over some dogs and pigs. Baseball bat works. The only difference is at my size it would likely only take 1 hit to kill the dogs but if I hit an unknown dog (especially a bulldog) with a baseball bat I'm not gonna stand there and wait to see if he is gonna fight back. I don't fight fair. Unless he heads for the hills I'm gonna put him down. It sucks but thats the way I see it. If I was on the jury thats how I'd vote.

I don't blame her for not using a gun if she's not supposed to.  Be willing to bet if she had, you'd be trying to get her locked up for having a gun.   

 Bad deal and I'm sorry it happened.:

   I agree. Just a bad chain of events. Hope all involved learned from it.