EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Hypothetical question  bc I know some will say my bay dogs don't trash but let's say they did one hunt. Your hunting and your dogs bay a cow, horse, beaver, goat or whatever something besides a hog. You feel that it's a solid bay and its a good hog and you turn your cd loose what is he going to do when he arrives to the bay of something that is not a hog? Is he going to catch or not?I'm not catching cows or anything lol I'm just wondering. Bc of people saying my cd only messes with pigs myself included. Bc it's a different scenario when the cd is on the ground or sees a critter that's not getting bayed. I would just think that the cd might feel like I'm supposed to catch what ever they are baying when I get here.  What do you think your catch dog would do?

My ridgeback wpuld come back seen him do it on a skunk and coon my cat idk he might try varmints idk on else my pit yeah it would be caight what ever it was.

I'm thinkin mine would give it a try. That's why I like to TRY and see the bay. Can't always but it's my first choice.

ChaseG has a story about his dogs baying a "hog" let the CD go and when they got there, there was a freshly killed coyote. That coyote never stood a chance.

I have seen it go either way. There are some catch dogs that will stop right there. There are some that will catch.

The idea that just because its being bayed it should be caught is a false premise in my book. Catch dogs have to have brains too. In no way would a catch dog get a free pass if they caught some thing they were not suppose to.... bayed or not.

I would say mine would prolly catch anything except a cow or horse , my catch dog is scared of both

not a doubt in my mind that if my currs had a cow bayed that my little cd would catch it in a hurry

When i had a cd, she was caught on a cow. The finally shook her off and steped on her, thought i was gonna hav to put her down, but she was just tired and overheated. That ended the hunt before it really got started.

My RVs which he a pit won't catch anything big a pig but my lead in or back up CD will catch anything.

I don't think my ridgeback Pitt would. He runs with the bay dogs so if it happens it could get interesting. I have only seen him bay once and it was a big sounder. Ran on in once a bull dog got there. That makes me think he does use his brain some.

My bulldogs are gonna catch what's bayed. They haven't been "trash" broke.


So, I take it that your catchdogs are trash broke prior to ever turning them loose to their first bay in the woods. How many times have you had to educate your catchdog for catching something other than a hog that was bayed?

mine catch what i put them on

They are going to catch it!! My dogs know bay and catch..lol

My catch dogs wouldnt catch it.

My bulldog would i bet. But my most used cd here latley wouldn't unless I pulled the trigger lol

mine would catch a cow im sure but ive seen em come back from other trash critters though

Zero. I have never had to break one of my catch dogs off. The few catch dogs I raised from pups were trash broke prior to hunting. It has always been tag along people whos dogs trashed. I have purchased dogs along the way that were questionable but using a little common sense when hunting with stike dogs that may trash goes a LONG ways. ;)

Im not turning my nose up at a dog who trashes from time to time. Just let me know a head of time when we hunt so we can adjust and hunt accordingly. Funniest deal I ever saw was a guy who could send his catch dog to dig out armadillos. :D Some people on here probably know who that is.

Pretty sure whatever is being bayed is gonna be caught

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   now my ol bulldog won't go messing with cows on his own , but if it's bayed up i'm pretty sure he would straight up catch it ,  whatever it is  lol . and this is the reason I use my cd's just like a pistol if I can't see it I ain't pullin the trigger . now if I here it grunting and fighting different deal I know it's a hog or a least a sick cow needing to be caught   lol

My bulldog's kinda dumb but she would catch whatever the dogs have bayed or die trying.

I had my truck parked at my father in laws near his horses one time with a young dog an old dog and my pit in it they were fine for hours then that puppy got bored or something and started barking at the horses and the CD went nuts. Makes me think there's a big difference whether the other dogs are baying or not.

Glad to see some answers. It just had me thinking that when a catch dog knows his job is it to know to only catch pigs or know I'm suppose to catch what my owner sent me loose to. Like someone said you can't always see the bay. So next question is what do you do when you get there and it's not a hog. Not talking about the bay dogs what would you do to the catch dog. Break and walk away or break and punish? Seems it could be a hard decision because the bay dogs didn't do their job next you sent the cd to a bay that wasn't a hog but in a way the catch dog did his job.

It would be a caught something or other

That is why I trash break my CD's too. That way if I am with someone else's dogs and they trash I don't want to have to pay vet bills for a cow or have my dog get hurt. But my bay dogs tattle on other dogs trashing so I won't send my catch dog in if my bay dog is beside me. I have learned that I have on dog that will be for sure making sure I know she is not trashing. She will be getting my attention with that look that say, "it was not me so don't light me up." Now if she is baying I know it is a pig. I would like to think my catch dogs are just as trash broke but they have never been sent in on anything but a hog.

I will bet anyone that is willing to come down and hunt that says their cd wont catch a cow if they turn it loose to a bay...........i wouldnt want a cd that wouldnt catch what my dogs had bayed......i got a crisp 100$ bill to put on the table to anyone who accepts!

What they have bayed

A rank cow......not talkin chit, just saying....straightup i have 100$ that if the dogs have a cow bayed and you turn the cd loose it will catch the cow or die tryin........instincts will take over, not tryin to start an arguement on here.....just my honest opinion, i'd love to be proven wrong!

I believe you my catch dog would probably not even need bay dogs he will catch anything I tell him to sick

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if a cow is bayed solid and tight a bulldog is going to catch whatever the curs or hounds have bayed...I had one that was totally broke off of cows and I had him loose to empty out before I put him on the wheeler and my buddies new hog dog pack bayed a cow and my dog shot out like a bullet and he had a caught cow in no time...after that nothing could break him off of cows...he was game bred and he was a good representative of gameness...

I have seen a few more do the same but don't know if they were broke prior to catching a cow...

One night we were hunting down in south Arkansas near the white river and I had only been hog hunting a year or so and my garmain showed the dogs sitting down at a few hundred yards don't remember exactly and we shut off the wheeler got to a hundred yards and cut the bull dog loose and we all ran right behind him all the way. We heard him hit and the worst noise I have ever heard in my life I told the other guys it is a good one but I think I craped down both legs when I seen my bull dog hanging off a big boar black bears and my bay dogs trying to make him a Barr. He finally whopped every thing off and went up a tree. I'm glad because I really didn't want to tie him

Sen tmine to a bay one day and i followed them in. They just run in stopped and looked like WTF. The dog had an old mangy coyote bayed.

As many bear as we are getting I am afraid this is gonna happen to me oneday. I sure hope that sucker goes up a tree.

Didnt read all the adds but i know wat my cd would do. He would try to catch watever the dogs have bayed because thats his job.

i was thinking the same thing. i had a bulldog once that would not fool with our horse for anything, i got a female over to breed him to and she started running the horse and so did he and they eventually caught it but it was just instinct for him, im pretty sure if anyone on here sent any kind of bulldog in a thicket with a cow bayed it would catch it, im sure some of the curr catch dogs might would come back but i wouldnt own a bulldog that wouldnt catch whatever was bayed. were starting to have a few bear show up around here im just waiting on the day to get one of them bayed and send in 2 bulldogs i know thats not gonna be anything pretty.

I have bayed 5 bears now all of them but the first one went straight up a tree after the third one I quit turning the bulldog loose until I seen what it was

If you wasn't so far I have a bulldog that is fixing to get culled that some people on here call a catch dog that won't catch anything

Lol, you know what I mean, a real deal send from 500+ if need be cd!

I hope everyone understands what im gettin at, i mean no disrespect to anyone, i just truely believe that any bulldog worth feedin will catch a cow as quick as it will a hog, its just instinct to a bulldog, thats all im sayin.

Like what is said earlier a catch dog is called a catch dog for a reason.  If your curs give him a reason to catch something else then it sounds more like a cur dog problem.  I want mine to catch anything I send him in on and not hesitate

Justin, you got a good rank woods cow to try this on? I don't think mine bull dog gyp will catch a cow but if she does it'll be worth a hundred bucks to see a good wreck and it'll be fun getting her off!

LOL I personally don't have one BUT I have access to plenty that are meanderin around in the trinity river bottoms, just 1 phone call away from access and im about 100% positive that the man who works and catches these cattle would be game for a show as well lol ;D

Mine would come back and tell on them if its not pork she won't mess with it

She's in heat right now but if we can keep male dogs away from her I'm game but I'm not building fence if it gets that western.

Justin I won't take your bet!
I would have bet my gyp would catch anything that was bayed, I am lucky & she proved me wrong a couple weeks ago.  We had caught 2 & they had killed several pigs.  I had 2 young dogs on ground & 2 older dogs we were walking down a road down on the side of a creek toward where I had lost the dogs at 1mi plus and jumped a boar hog and he broke & ran across a field to another set of woods.  within 5 min the two pups came in I took them to where we jumped the boar and they ran the track to rite inside the woods & bayed.  I got within 20 yards and sent the gyp in.   A minute or so passed & nothing then she sticks her head out headed back at me and out the side not 20 yards from me a big bull breaks across the field.   I hollered at the pups scared to death.  And managed to get them back as well. I know how lucky I was.  I couldn't believe she didn't catch him.   But I do no I wouldn't do it and figure on being that lucky again.    All I can figure is I turn her loose at the house all the time and often pups are baying the roping calves and she was thinking enough to put two & two together.

Mine wouldnt catch a cow more than once for sure. I have had plenty of bulldogs that wouldnt catch when they got to the bay if it was a cow or horse. id give them one if they hadnt been taught. that would be followed by intense shock therapy and subsequent offenses would be treated with lead therapy. I can understand when one of the young bay dogs pulls up on a cow when im hog hunting (they are used on cows and hogs) but the bulldog isnt ever used on cows and he should know better.

Its not uncommon for bulldogs to know the difference and not catch on any thing but hogs. Ask the guys hunting horse back who run all the catch dogs on the ground. If they let there catch dogs catch every thing in sight they wouldn't get much hunting done.

You know you a probably right. If the bay dogs are baying solid I bet the catch dog would catch. Another good reason to trash break your bay dogs real good.

Mine catch whatever those strikes dogs are baying! Lol

Thats a whole different story, their dogs are conditioned to the horse already. The way the op stated it in my opinion wasn't what would your cd who has been conditioned to cattle/horses do, it seemed to me that we were talkin about a cd that has never seen a cow, just the way I looked at it! No worries i do see where you are coming from, we just hit it from different angles

Thats not really what Im getting at. I expect the same out of a stike dog as a catch dogs. You get a free pass... maybe two when you are young but after that its time to get right. If they can't tell the difference between a hog and a cow... even if the dogs are baying... they are not staying in my kennels. Too much of a liability.

not 4 sure.... hope it never happens....i bet he would catch

I gotcha, well I'll throw a "what if" scenario out there...........I know quite a few guys on this site and a few that aren't on this site that use their dogs both ways, on hogs and cattle....a few of I know hog hunt on the exact same property that they work cattle on, just last week one of my good friends caught 9 hogs with his dogs while he was looking for 7 yearlin cattle on 1800 acres.............im not askin for a response lol just throwin out different scenarios and different backgrounds on dogs.......to me or you a dog that wont leave cattle alone may be a cull but to those men, a dog that WONT bay cattle might be a cull.......it's all about the individual needs/wants that we  have for our dogs and I know there are numerous different opinions on what we think are good and bad traits in our dogs ......theres 100's if not 1000's of different things that can happen every time we enter the woods............I believe I would probly crap my pants if I went in to a bay and my dogs had a dang bear bayed up lol!

If my bay dogs are bayed on a tree, my CD'S are gonna catch it.  Luckly i have confidence in my bay dogs for that not to happen and in the past few years ive been lucky enough not to have to worry about anything but a hog.  SOme people know my Cd Chica and i assure she is a CD from 1000 yards or 50 yards but when she gets to the bay she is gonna catch.  So know your dogs and know your bay and you shouldn't have any problems. 

Ya a catch dog on a bear is the most western thing over ever seen

LOL at the highlighted section, if memory serves me right not to long ago someone on here posted about their dog baying a stump.......that would have me in tears, esp if the cd ran in a caught it!

My old catch dog would not catch a cow, coon, skunk, goat, or horse if bayed he would come back. My young one would be hanging on for all he was worth. I did have a pit one time that caught a stump one hunt.   I believe Mike saw it happen. Hit the stump so hard broke a Tooth off in it.

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I would pay to see that!

I remember the stump catching... that bulldog hit it at 100 mph!

Lmfao I thought the dogs baying the stump was the funniest thing ever but that's even funnier.

No doubt. Im not even debating one is better than the other or any thing like that.... just saying they do exist. :)

Im probly just over analyzing it. I do agree with you, i know they exist, i know of 1 thats 1000000% broke, she is the smartest bulldog ive ever seen, she is a buddy of mines dog that my "iceman" pup came out of and she listens to him as good if not better than a solid bird dog, she is great to hunt with. I think the majority would catch a cow if given the chance, just my .02 and nothin more.

Im with you on that...