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I got a cd from a guy and he's a beast on a hog so I don't care much for papers and all that but the man I got him from said he's a tight breed gotti pit bull , what's that mean exactly ? Just curious on what everyone thinks ..

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theres a guy in kemp ok that breeds gotti and im pretty sure thats what he puts em on

Gotti line dogs are usually considered American Bullies. They're usually blue, and heavier built. They are USUALLY UKC or ABKC registered. They cannot be ADBA registered anymore because the ADBA dropped most of those dogs from the stud book due to the dogs being crossed with mastiff blood. Long story.

i know exactly what ya mean, the guy that breeds em in kemp ok has crossed with mastiff along the line somewhere cause there blue pits yea but they stand dang near waist high and close or over 100lbs IMO a pit should be around ur knees somewheres and "maybe" 50-60lbs tops 30s and 40s is more like it though like i said IMO and actually researching the original true American Pit Bull Terrier

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Well my pit is black and brindle color too him lol so I'm going too assume the guy fed me a load of crap . I don't care because I didn't get him for his papers or pedigree all that but for what he can do with a pig but thanks fellas , gotti is basically a mutt pit ?

from the ones ive seen......... yea, they are way to big to be a true pit bull

The gotti line is mostly known as American bully. There's a website I know of who's dogs have some gotti blood in em. Their dogs are freaks. 150 pounds at under 2 yrs old. I asked about the stamina and the guy said their very active but Idk about that.


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Them dogs look like they would get winded.... getting off the couch! :)

I thought the same thing. On instagram he has pics of them going over jumps and stuff. But there's no way I could see them even being a walk in catch dog.

Yeah most of those types of dogs are bred solely for asthetics, and most certainly not function, lol.

The only thing about a true pit is that they are very very very hard to find now.

I have a friend that breeds true APBT from game lines. His dogs are small compared to bullies. The males run around 55 pounds tops and females at 45 tops. Those dudes don't know what quit is. They grab hold and don't turn loose. These dogs are not for me only because I don't know if I'm good enough to handle them. Bully bred dogs seem to me to be much easier handle.

That's cause those of us that have any don't usually let any leave our yards nowadays. The old blood is out there, believe me. We just don't go out of our way to advertise it.

Ok so they are out their but hard to get one from somebody unles a very good friend or something

So what's your definition of a true pit then show me a pic

Right on

There are still lots of true pits out there. I have done lots of reading and talking to people to find the dogs I have now.  You have to stay on top of true pits.  If you say you cant find any you just havent looked hard enough they are there trust me.

Yes mam. Most are purely for looks.

"The American Bully fad is the result of breeders wanting bigger, beefier Pit Bulls that are meaner looking and carry a higher price tag. The American Bully breeders blatantly ignore APBT breed history and standards, breed whatever sort of 'look' best suits them, and then peddle the dogs to the public.  Although the fad claims that the American Bully is just a 'cross' of AmStaff and APBT bloodlines, it seems obvious that many of these dogs are actually mixed with mastiff and bulldog breeds to create the huge heads, and short, fiddle-fronted bodies seen on many American Bullies.

             The American Bully does NOT conform to the APBT standard. If it did, it wouldn’t be an ‘American Bully’.

But confusingly, all of these breeders seemed to think of their dogs both as APBTs *and* as this supposedly new 'breed', the American Bully. No wonder the public is confused!"

                                   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OySC3Glw-cA

One that has been bred true to the American Pitbull Terrier Standards with out crossing to mastiffs, American Bulldogs, or anything else.

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I hear Am Bullies will soon be classified in the HOUND group in AKC and renamed THUG HOUND!

Now that is a good lookin dog ^^
And looks like a real pit to me

This is also a real Pitt. His name is Santana. Tips the scale about 45 or so.(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/30/ezujyquz.jpg)

I have a true pitt papered out the wazoo that is a solid 100 pounds got 12 generation pedigree on him he is out of weight pull blood

Let's see pic and pedigree.

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This is a prime example of a real bulldog  looks and ped

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=385212

Ill see if I can figure out how to put pics on here but go look up Greg mehler on adba that's where he comes from r go add me on Facebook Stephen graybill

the ones with 2 t,s(pitt)are the fake ones O0pull your pants up

Was this directed at me?

This is Santana's pedigree.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=400075

Disclaimer: NOT downing your personal dog in any way.....BUT....100lbs is not a legit bred bulldog (APBT) man. Them papers may say APBT on the top of them but so does the paperwork on some of the 100+ lb 'American Bully' type dogs. Not bein an arse here but Mastiff and Olde English was crossed in down the line of these huge dogs, especially alot of popular 'weight pull' lines like the Whopper dog, Castillo dogs, Peterson dogs, etc. As far as genuine bred bulldogs go, the 60lb range for a male is considered on the heavy side.

Yes I agree they whopper does have it in its blood but go research the dagger blood nothing ever added just brrd big dog to big dog for 45 years and now there huge

It is my understanding that the Dagger blood is mixed as well.

What's the point of the registry if it's gonna register dogs that aren't representative of the breed standard? I don't think they should honor anything over 65-70 lbs

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Hell yea!

I agree theres obvioysly ways to lie because I bought a ukc pit dad 120 mom 55 both prev litter fem on site 85 n 92 lbs

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Also to add my "pit" is 90ish

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Unfortunately, the majority of registries nowadays are MONEY motivated, and the primary concern is collecting registration fees. Even the ADBA opened up and now registers other breeds. They used to be exclusive to the APBT.

Also, if ya look at every/any breed, there are TERRIBLE reps of the breed's standard, as well as the nice ones. All the registries see when they open their mail is dog's names, colors, d.o.b's and money, lol.

To the original post . . . Most likley what happened is the guy who sold you the dog just said it was a "Gotti" pit because he's heard the word "Gotti" a thousand times to describe any old garden variety pitbull.  To prove my point, just pick up a thrifty nickel classified paper or look on craigslist, and almost 100% of the puppies for sale will be described as "Gotti / Razor's Edge" bloodline.  Just about anybody who has a pitbull puppy for sale, papers or not, (and especially if its blue) will tell you they are Gotti / Razors Edge because they think it helps them sell puppies.  20 years ago, everybody who had puppies to peddle that didn't know anything about them, would say they were Boudreaux / Colby.  Gotti has become the new Boudreaux (in other words, a way to describe the puppies you don't know anything about because they think it sounds badass).  Another term you will hear thrown around alot is "Gatormouth", which means absolutley nothng at all, its just a cool sounding name.  The bottom line is this . . if the dog catches good and you like him, that's all that counts.  I would estimate that probably 90% of the people who ever owned a bulldog or sold a puppy, know very little about bulldogs at all.       

A guy up here at work has a "razors edge/gotti" and said they're selling that cross as an American bully now instead of a pit bull

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Looks like there is some bmc in there. Then again, Pit is in the BMC , so why not

I don't know much about curs as a breed and i know a very small amount about bulldogs but it only would make sense to me that curs, as a breed ,have some percentage of blood bred down from game dogs that were literally "curs". THis is an interesting toppic.

Nope. Not that some lines of cur may intentionally have bulldog in them but cur game dogs I wouldn't bet on that. Curs are just that, curs but not down from or influenced by cur bulldigs.

A lot of the game bred dogs have this coloration I don't think they have cur in them though

No cur I will guarantee that. The guy that owns that dog is a friend of mine. He has been raising these dogs for over 20 years that I know of. He is one of the guys that wants all the info on his blood and any gyp he intends to breed. He has raised some top notch dogs over the years and everyone I have seen have the same general conformation. His dogs are always well mannered but if a critter flips the switch it is on. These dogs don't know what quit is. He only recently started to try them on hogs tho.

Got one 'a them black mouthed bulldogs here too, lol

Gotta love a buckskin!

Majority of our bulldogs are either buckskin, or black.

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Good looking dog. Real nice build.

Thank you! That buckskin dog you posted is mighty fine as well. Looks like he's bred similar to some of the stuff we run.

Bad@$$!

Thank you sir , helped alot for everyone input , learned alot and seen some good looking bulldogs y'all have

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Here's a black mouth bulldog I used except he's actually a "real game" dog not just coming from game bred lines. lol

sorry mrslousiana thats not a shot at u with my comment.  i reread it and didnt want u to get that impression cause i used the same black mouth bulldog statement

Considering its illeagal to fight dogs to prove they are game the way they use to. I can't say a dog is game. I can say the blood line a dog is out of was tested before it became illeagal. So u see my point in saying game lines.

exactly shotgun.  just a joke.  funny how its dance around with hidden message.  i see dudes on web that say dont even ask if our dogs blah blah we follow the law etc and then they talk how badazz there line is but we dont fight dogs.  its comedic.

I wonder if at some point game ness could be judged by working the dogs as we do now. At the same what's the old saying. It's not game bread unless its game dead.

thats what we are using as a measuring tool shotgun. hog hunting is still legal and they havent taken that away so need to utilize it for as long as we can.   i definitly see ur point about gameness.