EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Today we went to a new place to hunt. The dogs started hammering down only 80 yards out get there and dogs are on trap. That wasnt the bad thing the thing was they were in there so long that 2 have died and the other pigs were eating them any trapper that has read the law should know that you check your traps every 36 hours and your traps has to be tagged! I know that we are all trying to take control of the pig population but not in this manner. Just wondering what others think, or do in that situation.

I'm unfamiliar with a law that requires you to check your traps every 36 hours.  Can you provide the cite?

its just like how some people get dogs and dont take care of them and some people set traps and dont go back for a while. i found a coon trap a while back with a dead coon in it. you should take some bolt cutters or whatever tools are required and do a little work on their trap for them

And I've never heard of tagging them. Not trying to bust any chops but there's no season on pigs!

Get on the texas wildlife web site or read the hunting guide book I have both license hunting and trapping all my snares and traps have a tag just like on my dogs

i'm not a bleedin heart animal lover , i've been known to cull dogs on the spot with gun knife or hammer ! but i would never torture or starve an animal .

even if i'm going to kill a hog tommorrow , he will have feed and water today .

I see well only place I put a trap is on personal property or a neighbors place that has asked to trap for them so don't guess I personally would feel the need mark it nor would I waste time to mark it on my own property. That seems like more of a law that would be enforced on public land, you know like fishing in the river or lake with lines or jugs. Anyways I agree you should check a trap often though I've had some die that were in the trap less than 12 hrs when it's hot enough.

 its not in the tpwd hinting manual, but in the tpwd trapping digest. this ONLY for furbearing animals, no where does it say in EITHER the hunting manual or digest about HOGS, but here is the law from the digest:

It is illegal to:
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Shoot at, take or attempt to take any furbearing animal from a boat on public waters in Texas.
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Take furbearing animals by means of falconry without a valid falconry permit issued by the department.
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Take furbearing animals with a foothold or conibearstyle trap except during the season for commercial harvest.
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Take furbearing animals with a foothold or conibearstyle trap within 400 yards of any school.
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Use smoke, explosives or chemical irritants of any kind to harry or flush furbearing animals.
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Take furbearing animals with conibearstyle traps with a diagonal opening greater than 10 inches set on land or in less than 6inch deep water.
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Take furbearing animals with snare, foothold, conibearstyle trap, and live or box trap unless such devices are examined at least once every 36 hours and animals are removed on discovery.

even though it does not state trapping hogs, it is just good hunting and trapping ethics to ck traps 24-36hrs. it doesn't matter if hogs are a nuisance animal or not, its still an animal, and shouldn't have to go through undo suffering from an idiot trapper who sets the trap and doesn't bother to ck it, bc oh, its just hogs. they should be put in a cage and starved and dehydrated till they pass away.

well u didnt know there was a trap there then it sounds like u should of stayed on your own land . the hogs are not live stock. thats a small amount of hog wasted people shooting pigs from the sky wasta more then that !!  ya pork is to good to wasta so stop the choppers shooting if u fill its a wasta..

I don't believe its the waste of pork! I think its more along the lines of cruel stupid sob that has no respect for a animal to leave it in a trap to starve for water or for food.  I understand that some get hot in traps and die when they haven't been caught long but to just consider it a waste of pork is just a cold hearted person talkin... if you ain't got any more respect for a animal than that then you should have nothing to do with them.  Yes helicoptors waste em but that doesn't make it right to leave one in a trap to starve. Two wrongs doesn't make a right... kill em ethically or leave em alone

100% agreed.

ya maybe they are not good eating , maybe they used diesel thats cancer for people that use it or motor oil like from diesel motor oil , lighter fluid. lol . i'll never be suprized on the kind of bait people use...  i know i only eat pigs after i fatten them up .

Depending on how you read the law. A trapped hog is now considered livestock. Another reason why letting a hog out of a trap then letting a dog catch it is against the law. Same as a wild hog that is penned. You can not let a dog catch it, it is livestock.

its a 5 seconds rule right .. im in louisiana , its a different rodeo down here in winnfield . texas is ran by the pope. jk  lol in usa is ran by a monkey.

If ur in louissianna, then stick with that law or state your law. Not everybody knows everybody or knows where they r from. Tx has diff laws than louissiana, well rodeo since u put it that way. If mutton bustins ur thing, then thats fine, we'll stick to calf ridin in tx.  ;D

Couldnt have said it better. Why go thru all that work to set it and bait it, an all, and not even check it? dont make sense, but again look at what the worlds comin too.....

My buddy said no one else is susposed to be out on the place so you also have trespassing too.

weve came across traps on government land were they paid a licensed trapper to trap hogs , one trap had  a hog in it , skin and bones and looked like it had been in there for a few days , we took care of the problem and destroyed his traps , I told the gamewarden that day , he had the same attitude as the trapper [ could give a care less ] , im right behind charles on this one , RESPECT , so many people these days were not taught this principle and as I get older  with kids of my own Ive come to realize that a whole lot of parents are lazy or just throw there hands up and teach there kids nothing and thats how we get uncaring people , lazys , spung suckers , and cold hearted people with no conscious ,[ sparrows ] if you believe in god , jesus said  [ not one of them falls to the ground apart from your fathers will   math . 10-29 its interesting that jesus chose the most common of all birds to teach a profound truth , in gods eyes no one or no thing is insignificant JMO

I got some what of a "talking to" yesterday from a man who's place borders a place we hunt. We have permission to hunt it with the agreement we work his cows in the spring and fall free of charge. No big deal. This place is a honey hole. Last year we hunted it hard and ran the hogs out nearly completely within a few months. This year we have held back only hunting it once every 2 weeks.

Yesterday we worked his cows. We got there early to bay and let them settle a while before penning them(they are a wild bunch) riding across the big pasture in the front I saw rooting everywhere you looked. Hay stacks gone thru and a big part of his hay field torn up right where this man drives to his pens. He did not seem pleased. He asked how often we were hunting it and asked us to come more often. Kill every one. Dog them shoot them whatever.

Bottom line, this man like many others makes a living from the land. He has just enuf cattle so as not to overgraze. With a place like his when you start reaching in your pocket to feed your loosing money. Guess what hogs have him in his pocket.

So at the end of the day my opinion would be so what. Hogs dead in a trap is better that hogs in a farmer or ranchers pocket. They are big hary cockroaches that molest the land.

I would have to agree in that aspect but I also agree that its number 2ty to let an animal waste away and die........ the hogs in the traps probly didn't starve...heat will put a hog down QUICK without water even during this time of year......

So its ok to inhumanely starve, torture and parch bc of the lack of give a damn to ck the traps? NO it aint! Yes the hogs need to removed, especialy if its costing the land owner undue expenses. But why do it inhumanely? Its the same principle as starving any animal, in hopes it will leave or just die, just like dumped dogs n cats, which bc of the inconsideration of irresponcible people, the new puppy mill bill is now a law. If a person cant or dont want to ck the traps or accept or cull the puppies n cats, then the person has no business setn the traps or breeding of their animals.
There is already to much attention to hog hunting from the bunny humpers. Why give them more ammo n attention from the abuse n neglect of ANY animal? No matter the animals disposition of the general public, land owners, hunters or liberal animal rights groups, its still unethical to starve and abuse any animal, no matter the reasoning or exploritory thoughts to justify the abuse.

Charles your right 100% shoot it or sale them,give them away, I know of a couple of family's that take piglets to feed there family and appreciate the pigs

It's wrong I can't believe someone said it's not

Some of fellas seem to hate hogs with a passion. I could see the point if your a rancher or farmer. I love hogs, they give me that rush I would be missing in life if it wasn't for them. Any man who is sorry enough to think its ok to starve or dehydrate an animal just because its a problem doesn't deserve to draw breath eat. Or drink. threads like these show what kinda morales some of have and live by.

I can see by the responses some probley think I'm no good for saying that. However I will not backtrack or move from what I have said on the subject. Y'all say its inumane to do such a thing. Is it also inumane to put out rat poison or to put off an insect bom in your house for unwanted nucances? Or would you rather catch and kill every single mouse and bug in your house so that they do not suffer?

As far as morals go, I was raised by old timey hard working honest ppl. Most all of what I know to be true I have learned from my elders. As a kid I cannot tell you how many hogs or coyotes I saw my dad or grandpa shoot and leave lay out of pure hate of the animal. I will say that I don't think it is good practice to be running traps unless you have the time to check them. However I will not loose any sleep over a couple dead hogs. I feel no emotion twards the animal.

I understand what your getting at. I've left my fair share of em layin. In some cases, landowners have even asked that we stack em all in a bone yard so they can keep a count.

I don't know about other trapers , i trip all my traps durring hot weather  and don't set them until i know i will have time to check them regularly. But through the years i'v had hogs get into a triped trap and die before i found them !! Don't like it but it happens. Also have went to check traps and found tore up hogs and dead hogs with human foot prints all around . This trap was a quater mile in the property .If you saw these hogs YOU ARE TRESPASSING!!!!!!

Killing and leaving lay is 100% opposite of trapping an animal, not checking the trap in a timely manner and the animal die from dehydration, starvation or by heat stroke. Ur getting the 2 different types of killing confused. I dont agree with killing and let them lay n rot, but its part of the deal to limit the damaged caused by them, but neglecting, starving, parching an animal just for chits n grins n bc there r to many, is wrong in every moral obligation of humanity.
Is it not inhumane to dump a dog or cat to the elements, abuse and mistreat them? We all know the answer, n the answer is YES!!!! Those dumped animals are a nuisence, but i'll be damned if any of yaw would cage the animal, starve it, refuse it water or shade, but instead yaw would dispatch it urself or call animal control bc ya aint got the stomach to do what needs to b done.
Its a shame to see folks with some of yaws mentality and actions towards animals, that it sometimes make me wish to support these bunny humpers n completely outlaw any form of hunting, just to rid the unethical hunters of any access or chance to abuse or mistreat animals for their own personal agenda. The p-poor actions of the few will eventusly  screw over the many.

Well I dont agree with it thats for sure but what the hell they can fly around in choppers with paying custmors and charging the hell out of the farmers its a  double wammie the all mighty dollar  hell  shoot hogs lettem lay ,  wound them badly,  let'em bleed to death ,  lettem  suffer who gives a chit as long as the big boys say its ok and its a law in the book  !

What the hell man kinda like calling the kettle black !  Only difference is one way is legal and stupid  and the other is just plain stupid  !

I dont agree with either damn one of of em !

pigs are like rats they are only good dead .. your choppers hunters its a freak wasta if u shoot the pigs in didnt mark them for pick up.  they shoot them just to kill not to eat  ... i know if u f up my dang trap i'll be one pisted off traper yall thank destroying some ones trap makes it right i would be calling the game warden to watch the land .. the game wardens dont care a #2 about the pigs ...  they fill it saves a bullet or paying some one to remove them !

  i'll tell you one thing is,  that with these push gates they manufacture unless you wire them shut when you are not trapping you are most likely going to catch some hogs . and this is a lot of the trouble with the uneducated hog trappers or the educated as well . they run the traps and they see no corn in them and don't think to wire them shut when not being run  .

  thats right halfbreed and that being said dosnt mean u can mess up the dang trappers trap!!!  trespassing is 1 thing then destroying the trap now thats low lifes!!!!

   and actually against state AND FEDERAL  law .  this is one of the good things we got passed into legislation on state and federal level . we as sportsman fought long and hard to get these passed so the anti's could be held accountable for stealing and destroying traps across the country  . do I like people that are unethical or uneducated about trapping and the responsibility that is involved  NO !!

Idk if I'd destroy the trap just depends on my mood that day but I'm definitely killin the hogs

Aint no way i'd destroy somethn some1 else worked hard to buy or build. If some1 is destroying traps or equip of any kind, they r tresspassing and 2 wrong dont make the end result right. If some1 came on my land n destroyed my stuff, he/she better hope the cops find them first. I do not find it ethical to torture animals, no matter the excuse used to justify it, but if its on their land, they'll hav to live with consiquince that they helped in ruining any form or fashion of harvesting animal bc of their unethical treatment towards LIVE critter.

Am I missin something on the trespassing part? Or are y'all sayin messin with someone's trap is considered trespassing?

Easttex91, Thats what you missed lol

Oh lol

Well I see it different   If you don't run your traps and there's animals starving  , you will have no trap  , if you can't take care of business I will , same for deer hunting around my place , if I see your leaving trash around your stand.   Pop cans , scent bottles  , bait bottles ,  you loose your stand , you trespass and drive in the gate your tires come up flat , you can't be responsible in my neck of the woods and you will loose something, I hate poachers and will post up to catch them ,  man had feeder.  Shooting does out of season , told some crank heads about his stuff and the next day it was gone , the way I see it , be responsible around my place or you will loose your rights and whatever you leave behind, or ill help you to get to jail

Okla rules state that hog  traps be ran every 24 hrs.  Any where but private must have name attached to trap

I tell ya what I ck my traps but if I happen to not and be gone a few days are a week and forgot to wire the doors and I came back and it was destroyed and if I could find out who done it all I got to say is he better be able to back his actions cause there is gonna be plenty of hell  .

Destroying or stealing some1 elses stuff is just as wrong as them torturing an animal. Only justification of "stealing" it would be, if they were given ample time to remove the item/s from the property, only by land or lease owners authorisation to remove it. Turn the person in for animal abuse/neglect, patition for more strict trapping laws and a severe punishment for breaking the law, would go further than destroying or stealing, EXCEPT, ifthat trapper/hunter is trespassing. Then a good ole' punji pit will fix the problem  >:D  ;D

i have never liked people trapping hogs around here because they go shoot them and throw them in a creek somewhere but for every hog they shoot thats one less ill get to run. if i do find a trap in the woods with dead hogs in it i know it wont be there when they go back it will be a big pile of scrap metal laying there for them to see when they come back. its no reason any person should be so irresponsible to let any kind of animal die like that. im not a animal hugger but i do have morals

lol agreed

Im not a theif , but I will not tolerate irrasponsible people from the woods to work , lots of stuff at the bottom of the river , as for backing up what I have and will do , Im no tuff guy but just like my dogs all heart and no give , there is thousand of acres of public by my place { public } and if the public dont take care of , I will no arguement ,  you cant stay awake long enought to catch me , you poach a deer were I can here it , best just leave it because I will lay in the ditch all night , you leave hogs in your trap for days and not check , next time you will be checking it at the bottom of the river , no threats just fact , Ive had stands bent around trees before , must of been a strong guy , but I dont care , have respect for mother nature , dont leave your trash , ect ect ect , because if you jack up around my place I will fix it plain and simple , I look at it the same way some of you look at hogs , there just rodents and have no buisness being there , JMO

Except with a rodent trap snaps and that's the end quick. With hog in trap i have no problem with a guy shooting it in the trap it would probably be better you shoot one in open field it runs and dies. What I'm tring to say is don't let the thing suffer. Period!

I think traps should have water and shade. They should be checked every day. I don't care if you use them to feed a family or the buzzards. But the animal should die as quickly and painless as possible. It is just the right thing to do. What if someone's hog dog ran up in the pen? I even saw a picture on here of a deer in here. You don't know what may get in the trap. Unless you have a trao that only catches pigs then you better check it. Also I never thought about putting my number on the trap. That is a good idea. Plus if you wire the gate open when you can't check it the pigs can come and go they get used to going in and you may catch more.

Fur bearing animal traps ARE required to hav name and number on a metal tag, attached to ea trap.

hogs aren't fur bearers

Who said they were???? Try readn dub's post n then read mine n tryn n tie the 2 together.

and to ad to this the trap belongs to a cop that works in town