EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I'm just interested to see who believes has the "best" line of dogs and produces the "best" dogs.
However in the end it doesn't matter where a dog comes from. A good dog is just that... A good dog.
BMC:
I personally believe Ben Jordan or one of the original cattle lines. Yes I know few dogs have come off of his yard but the few that are lucky enough to own one knows exactly what I'm talking about. These dogs are the living descendants of what real dogs are made of. Not putting down anyone that has good dogs but I am upholding those that are in my mind the best all around dogs.
Now for terriers: (jagd)
I'm just gonna say breed wise the jagd wins my vote. No matter what, they are to me, the dogs with the most bottom. Besides pete the old coon hound haha. But let's not argue about that. Who has the "best" line. I don't know since there arnt many known local breeders i know of. Probably some foreign Serbian import. Like the mother to mine. But I would love to here of some good lines yall've dealt with.
Hounds:
I'm clueless? I only have crosses now so I have no opinion.
*Please POST pictures, info, opinions,  etc. and lets keep this a friendly debate.

Excited to see how this turns out lol

X2 I'm not in the race I can promise ya that hahaha

Man I really dont believe this is a fair question to ask.  Two reasons:

1st: Nobody out there has hunted with everybody else so to comment is only making a statement about the best "line" you have hunted with.  I've been hog hunting for 10 years and can only comment on a few "lines".  If a guy had dogs years ago and he still has dogs but they are not "line" bred, than it is not a line.  In addition, you should have hunted with someone many times to judge thier dogs, not just a couple hunts.

2nd: Different types of dogs work better in different environments.  Joe Blow may have the best dogs that south texas, but that dont mean that line of dogs will work at all in the north Georgia hills of the FL Okochobee swamp.  Some guys on here are lucky to have spots where the hogs are plentiful.  Id like to see one of those guys bring his dogs here and we can ride for hhours and not find a track.  They had better have dogs that can be turned out and stay out for hours looking for hogs.

I understand ^^^ however I'm just curious about your opinion. I understand not everyone has seen lots of line neither have I. I'm just saying the few I have seen that I'm impressed with.

If you're looking for a dog or pup, just watch the dog trade.  Cuz, whatever lines that get mentioned in this thread, there will be plenty of them for sale with in a day or two:D

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Hahaha no I don't need anymore dogs

I'll start by saying that I don't know if he's the best but he is by far the favorite dog I have ever owned. I have a ybmc. The mom was weatherford Ben and all the information I've gotten on his daddy he is a Tx yellow cur. He's a solid yellow dog 60-65lbs very rough. He has white tips on his feet and a white chest. I've been hog hunting 10 years and he is by far the best dog I have ever hunted behind. Medium to long range depending on the dog he is hunting with I never hunt more than one dog with him. I've bred him to 3 different females a catahoula, a redbone pit cross, and a ybmc all pups were finding their on pigs by 8 months the pups out of the ybmc female are 3 months and they are baying and catching a 75lbs pig. He will find hogs in the mountains of Arkansas of swamps of Mississippi. He will wind out of a boat or the back of a wheeler, road hunting in front of the rig, hunt in front of horse. His only flaw is he likes to catch skunks at night lol. He like ole yeller there will never be another like him

More than likely the best line of dogs, be it curs, hounds, terriers, labradoodles, or x's of all of the above, probably are tied up behind somebody's barn and a very select group of individuals know about them and an even more select group is fortunate enough to hunt with them. Just seems like the better the line the less people who know about it. I know if I were ever lucky enough to have whats considered an elite pack of dogs I'ld try to keep it as quiet as possible. Especially these days.

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This is a good one , I've done research on Both sides of the pack , the bulldog side  , I've got a good idea but on the bmc side I really have no clue , there not reg . ,  so there's not any paper trail , just names written of dogs and story's , all I know is a friend of mine bought a dog off a man in commanche ok.  Lets say 15 yrs ago , his name was earl , it was said this dog was the best he ever seen or owned , the man he bought the dog from had been linebreeding for yrs , the dog is on the front of the march 2004 bayed solid magazine with craig , it's a nice looking male ,  anyway Craig has linebred dogs himself from this males blood and a few female bmc , all mine are from this line or lines. Ones red and Ones yellow slick coat and med higth and one has a fat tail , a little bushy and longer hair , long legged dog ,  all three are 11 yrs.   8 yrs and 4 yrs , there spaced out alittle but linebred and all look different , they'll hunt here but never had the chance to hunt anywhere but okla , Craig has taken a couple to Texas with people from this site before I owned but me just here , he says in Texas these dogs would be the bomb because here they have to hunt miles to find a hog and there there's more hogs ,I'd sure like to know more than I do about them , I'm breeding a female back to Craig's male for one more generation , as for the best I don't think so , one day there super the next one were eaten skunks , bumping deer , ect. And like said one mans trash is another mans treasure

Bob I'm curious about the bulldogs. I personally have just picked a pit/bulldog out of the shelter and went from there. I've never bought line bred bulldogs or any known lines. What's out there that you think are the best? I'd like to know more.

my dogs arent the best , but my friend is.

Nice topic, I own two Ben Jordan dogs/pups and didn't know at the time what I had. I'm from Pleasanton, tx, South of San Antonio, Tx, and the black mouth is all we used working cattle growing up. Hogs started eating up peanut fields back in the early 70's, damn I'm old, and back then working cattle the dogs would round off and start running hogs at a young age I fell into hog hunting and got lots of dogs cut up dam my dad was mad at me for ever it seemed. Old guys ramble on some times to make a longer story shorter. I got two awesome Ben Jordan dogs and just brings back the old school true working black mouths that aren't seen much anymore. I live in Midlothian, tx know and run hogs as much as I can but don't know people like I do back home so I don't get a chance to run these dogs and make them what they could be. I do like to see everyone on here having great times the way I used too...

Mr Bennet could you post a picture of your tater dog. Heard nothing but good about that blood but have never seen one.

My outlook is there is basiacly no such thing as the best. To me you need to look at consistanticy and pick acording to what you like be it catch bay bottom etc. 

X2 like I said just curious to see everyone's idea of or perception of "best."

Any of y'all hunt with terriers? I think there's more to be said about them and credit to give. I love my curs but for now on I don't leave with out at least one terrier in the box. Right now my main terrier is a patterdale out of south Texas I don't know the mans name but i do know he has some half way decent dogs. I know my jag pup 6 months will soon pass her up but until then she's still my go to girl. She doesn't hunt really hard but she is there every step of the way with my strike dog. Ranging by herself up to 200 and with my main strike gyp around 200-600 depending on how far my main strike is. Would love to here about the pint size warriors.

I wouldnt hunt no trashy terriers. Bout the same as a cur, better off gettin a spaniel or some other junk. Only dog worth havin is a hound. . . .

......one day you will open your eyes

I've hunted both and I like curs a whole lot better. I go to the woods to catch hogs not run them all day. Just my opinion

I love my curs, but I have a friend Roosevelt that runs hounds that will shut down big ass hogs!!

Whatever puts pork on the ground consistently is the best I think. And the best ones don't hav a price. But different hunting styles and different people could mean that one persons cull traits are wat another person wants

Man seth every now and then you pull a good one out and to think most rodeo people I know aint the brightest.  Lmao I agree with you so long as they are silent haha

as far as currs i dont think its any one breed better than the other i know people that hunt with a line of catahoulas thats good and most of the guys around here hunt with just mixed up cur dogs thats been bred back and forth over the years what most would call a heinz 57 but are super dogs. some of the parker dogs are good also. as far as terriers if i was gonna look for one i would look for some of the old dixieland jags i liked them the most out of the ones i been around. ive hunted with hounds a few times but not enough to tell what i like the most about them in each breed. and bulldogs i never owned one with papers but i like rednoses and for them to be about 40-50lbs

Hahah not trying to start anything but I enjoy a terriers prey drive. Now yes trash breaking is a little tougher but it is possible. You just haven't been around terriers that are worth the feed. Because believe me there are some out there that can easily keep up with a cur and work just as hard if not more so.

Wasn't tryin to offend anyone, I was just jokin around trying to spark up this thread some lol.

I have hounds, pits, cats. So i cant choose just one

And A far as terriers go, I've never ever seen a jagd in person, But I have hunted with and around jack russels and seen them in bay pens, Not my first choice of dog but man them little dogs have got some heart an balls. I have nothing against terriers, So please dont be offended.

find a man that hunts his dogs 3to4 times a week and dont mind culling them and dont sell lots of them dont matter what  the breed they will be darn good dogs. some will be grittyr than others

Seems like more of the better dogs in this area are cur or heavy cur cross since they have been the more consistent breed through the years for working cattle now they transitioning over to hogs and working them the way they did cattle 20 years ago when there were still cattleman and cowboys not cooperate brats with ranchettes!!!

None taken at all, sorry just saw this. I was just pickin with you. They ain't for everyone but them little terriers are fun to watch, when they would take a track they would start almost havin a breakdown lol, all kinds of crazy whines/noises like it was driving them crazy to find what they were hunting......if that makes any sense, hahaha. They have a crazy prey drive, that is for sure!

a  good jagd is as good as anything out there. they can and will stop a hog even by there self. I loved them sometimes and had to unload my gun sometimes to keep from throwing 450.00 down the drain. If i had someone to hunt with that ran them i would hunt two jagds and two bulldogs. people dont like their traditional dogs being showed up by a twenty pound terrier much. So in order to have hunting buddy's I got out of em. but in a few years i'm going back to them.

I have 5 different dogs that I would say were all the best but for different types of hunting. When they're all together, they're unstoppable.

My oldest and most ferocious and experienced dog is actually my rat terrior Woody. I got him years ago just because I wanted a good squirrel dog and an old man I know said he should make a good ond. He squirrel hunts like a champ but if a hog crosses his path... shame on him. I used to catch some bad hogs with just him that other dogs had just passed up because he loves crawling in tight places and checking everything out. I will still bring him at night some times but I don't usually bring him during the day because of squirrels.

My second oldest dog Chockie was my first planned hog dog. He was out of some good dogs but he,was never

My second oldest dog Chockie was my first planned hog dog. He was out of some good dogs but he was never really a motivated or long range dog when he was younger. It was perfect for the way I hunted at the time.

I eventually got more land to hunt and started getting introduced to longer ranging dogs. That's when I fell in love with Parkers and Plott hounds.

I have hunted with walkers, blueticks, black and tans, yellow black mouths, arridales, catahoulas, plots, parkers and if i could only have one i would choose the parkers. That is JMO!!!

It's not near as much about the "line" of dogs as it is the standards of the man breeding and culling the dogs...

Right on!

   if your buying a pup its all about  the line  ....   99% of hunters do not have the time money or resources  to create a dominate line .... you gotta build instinct  .....   instinct drives the nose  and heart ...... 

Best advice ever given on this board.  You can take a particular bloodline of dogs (I don't care what breed) as long as we are talking about performance dogs, and you can take two guys and they can start their program with puppies from the same breeder.  Example, 2 guys go to a breeder and buy 10 puppies each.  The puppies are bred the exact same way, littermates, etc.   Both these guys raise up the puppies and hunt them, etc.  If these 2 fellows have different expectations about what a good dog is, then you can come back 20 years later and get puppies from these same two guys and they will be like 2 different bloodlines of dogs, even though they are bred the same.  If one guy makes excuses or has "my dog syndrome", and he don't have the testicular fortitude to cull, then his dogs will be inferior to the man who aint afraid to pull a trigger.  Its as simple as that.     

All you got to do is have some common sense some home grown dog smarts and high standards and dont waiver.   You got to know what you are looking at and know how to judge a dog .  Then you got to keep the good ones and get rid of the rest .  People worry to much about lines of dogs and dont even know the dogs themselves .  Hunt first and worry about breeding later on in life when you know what you are doing .

i love  this stuff .....  if half the people that post about how to breed dogs knew what they were talking about good dogs  would  be  free to a good home they'd be so many of em ........ hahahaha   .....

I guess I need to clairfiy what I said .  When I said this.  People worry to much about lines of dogs and dont even know the dogs themselves .    Lines have everything to do with great dogs but most people do not even now the first thing about lines of dogs are breeding dogs .  So get out and have some fun hunt hunt hunt and hunt somemore then later on your when your time comes all your hunting expeirnces will help you have good breeding instints and relay over to help you as a breeder of good and great dogs .