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I recently bought a tracking system to use as a back up when my garmin stops working randomly... I have never owned one of these systems and need a problem solved. The problem is when i am close to the collar (50') the unit beeps while i am facing 180 deg from the collar and when i face the collar the beeping stops and the led lights act right like the signal is getting stronger as i point the unit towards the collar.  While i am facing 180 deg from the collar the led lights do not pulse but it beeps. Is there something that i am missing here? It is like the antenna is reading backwards or something but the light bar shows it is reading right. If any of that makes any sense. I tried this system at 4.5 miles and it worked fine. I have turned the gain way down while messing with it at close range. Any help besides for me to buy a quick track? :)

buy a Garmin220 or 320! lol quick tract will get your dogs killed!
 

Ohh ok thanks. :) if you had any reading comprehension you would know that i already have a garmin. But thanks for the advice anyhow. Lol

it should have an antenuator switch.turning it off cuts the range in half tobe better at pinpointing the collar.  on the led model u should be able to follow the lights an b just fine.  kinda hard to not get some kind of beep when u are that close.    WHEN IN DOUBT BUY A GARMIN 220 OR 32O!!! >:D

"I recently bought a tracking system to use as a back up when my garmin stops working randomly..."

You just need to get a Garmin, and get rid of that antique thing... Sorry couldn't resist!!!

On a serious note I have been looking at getting one of these as a back up as well, and also kind of a security system. Due to most people not knowing how to shut them off!!!

A lot of the telemetry systems have interference when you are at close distances such as 50' (including Quick Track).  Things like power lines can also interfere.  I have to turn off some collars when using my Quick Track because different collars interfer with the receiver.  I would not worry about the interference at 50'.  I assume that you dont need to track the dog at 50'.

Fellas at the top it shows he owns a garmin but got this for a backup. Read the post in its entirety.

Please elaborate on how a Quick Track will get your dogs killed? I guess I've been lucky all these years? :o

Gonna give wildlife materials a call today... I flipped the switch in front to cut the signal down before doing the 50' test, i had left that step out of my original post. Mike came by last night and was able to pin point and walk right to my collar with his quick track without any 180 deg problems. I know i shouldnt really need this system for close range but just wanted to make sure it was working right.

when i was still using my radio collars i always had this problem. i would turn off every collar that i had close to cut out that trouble. Then i just tracked in one spot and get a signal then move up a ways and track again to make sure i was going the right direction. I dont use mine anymore at all it is really aggrevating compared to garmin. maybe this helped.

I'm glad I'll know who to ask when my radio unit gives me problems, I'm saving to buy one.

As far as radio collars getting dogs killed goes, a Garmin is a fun little plaything, but it is a cracker jack toy when dogs have any range to em. Ideally I'd run both types on every dog.

You only got one good dog....just get rid of it and hunt that junk and you won't need that gadget....  ;) :D

Yea,,,, riddle me that one there joker??

If I was forced to choose between my quicktrack and my 320 the garmin would be gone. Garmins cant keep up with a real hog dog.

The junk you feed is the problem bryant. We had to wait until they quit a deer to go get my blue eyed darlin from four miles away. If we could of just headed to him instead of chasing bambie around i might not be feeling like i need a telemetry now. ;)

I have a wildlife and I don't like it much either...have to turn off the other collars to get better direction...I also had a used quick track and it was better but still ran into a few problems with it...but I owned an mn-10 and it was the best and most dependable about direction...at real close range to pin point a dog that was not moving... like a dog that was under water or laid up in briars...just disconnect the antenna and walk right up to the dog...I tried that with the wildlife and no difference...I will keep it for now and eventually will replace with an mn...

Why disconnect the antenna reuben? I was doing some searching last night on the web and found a post by someone else saying for real close range tracking to disconnect the antenna... Seems like the direction would not read right.

I really don't know for sure but I was told to try it when at real close range...works good with the mn...

Yeah the deal i read last night said the wildlife 48 was built for real long range and with the gain down it would still get swamped at close range with the antenna on, i have not had a chance to try it. But i will tonight

True no doubt.....but you just wish your dogs could run a deer that good  ;D

That's what I'm talking bout!!! Either be good or be good at it!!!  >:D

Hahaha, nailed it!

Well i called my old as dirt uncle that used a telemetry system since they came out up until a few years ago while coon huntin. He said it sounds like you have a good strong system you just need to skip a channel. ??? Anyhow i went down one channel and messed with the gain a little and i can walk right up to the collar with no 180 problems. The unit kinda squeaks instead of beeps but it works right up close. Once i get a hundred yards from the collar i can switch it back to the proper channel and get a good beep. I dont know if all the wildlifes operate like this one it is like the gain wont turn far enough down when you are close to the collars. Anyhow i guess i have figured out how to use this one...

Here's my take. Removing an antenna from a radio receiver all but kills ur chance of getting a signal. If the signal is strong enough and close enough u can still pick it up thru the coax. Ur coax is part of the antenna as well.

Dropping to a lower channel in close range allows u to track the bleed over of the frequencies instead of the actual signal. A strong signal at close range can bleed over many frequencies.

If any if u have messed with cb's this should make sense. It's kinda like useing ur RF gain and ur needle on the radio to track down the turd head throwing a dead key. Radio interference in these units is understandable. With the high rf gain of these units I would bet wheelers running, truck running, or any other source of electrical power could interfere.

I do know if u gotta dog on the wheeler and u are looking at a distance the closest collars can bleed over several channels

Wildlife 48 telemetry question: answer its going to get your dogs kill sooner or later!! wildlife picks up oil pumps , cell phones ,too much of a chance ! watch your going to go to a magnetic pump an see that your to late there dead ran over by a car or a hunter shoots your dog an your going to wish that u had only used the Garmin. oh well its your dead dogs u put to much trust in  them ....sell the dam dog number 2 your not teaching your others dogs nothing!!lol

garmins with the right antennas got range ! good dogs shut hogs down they don't run deer!

Ha ha. This thread is about to get good.

 Mud , I was under the impression you just started hunting. Please share where your mountain of knowledge stems from.

Wow.....

Umm (scratch head) umm

Wow......

Peach...when your uncle says to skip a channel...doews he mean if you have a #10 collar to switch to 9 or 11 and check direction?

I had the mn10 for many years and that unit worked most of the time unless we had the big power lines crossing the woods...but if the dogs were at 12 oclock the signal would be weak at 10 0clock and would be at its strongest at 12 oclock and as we keep swinging to 2 oclock it starts fading out...and because the signal is at its strongest at 12 oclock that is the direction of the dogs...I bought the wildlife because I saw the good reports on here and also because I got a great price on an almost new system...after I get all my dc 40 collars I need I will buy me an MN system and cut out all the bull crap...now I can't speak for all the other brands but I have 4 nother friends that use the MN and they don't have problems with their units...an old bear hunter got me started on them...

So all the rest of us just have the wrong antenna on our Garmins??
Funny, I've got long ranges on my collars, another long range on my handheld and have even used the truck mounted one and the fact remains that sometimes REAL hog dogs get on a hog that pulls them out past what the Garmin can handle. Shoot there are rosehedge thickets on the coast so thick I loose gps reception at as short as 500 yards!

Combine that with the fact that I hunt with plenty of other folks ( because I like to see how my dogs compare to other folks dogs in the real world) and all of them have issues with their Garmins too?? Headscratcher :o

Garmin is a luxury... telemetry is insurance. I will find my dogs with my telemetry system when Garmin fails... which happens all the time to everyone I hunt with.

Muddog... WE USE GARMIN!!! Telemetry is a back up system these days. I don't even know what to say? Evidently you have no idea on how to use a telemetry system. You don't track to oil pumps or cell phones. ??? Sure you get static interference from lots of things, but you're tracking a beep/signal from each individual collar.

I can take my Quick Track and track directly to a downed dog with pin point accuracy.... done it many, many times for myself and others over the years. When you get close, drop it to close range, turn your gain all the way down and barely bring it up to get a signal.

mike-im Sure you get static interference from lots of things, the power lines , alarms on oil pump ,  cell phones have given problems too xm radios that's the same pulses that gives u a interference! i have used the quick track for over a year ! I stop using it for that reason because i have lost good dogs an jagds at that! ya i see yall stand point on insurance to have a back up! but i do hunt south Texas brush an find garmin works just fine!

Need to come hunt our country, not so user friendly. Alot more pines here then you have I d say

Exactly reuben. I had my collar 12 on and turned it back to 11 the unit tracked right to the collar. With it set on 12 it was like it was overloaded no matter how low i set the gain.

bud i do hunt pines too in winnfeild, la....

Does Yall wildlife boxes not have an attenuator? I have the 1000 box and with the gain low and the atten on low it has no problem with close direction.

Garmin is a fun toy.....but is a far cry from the dependability of telemetry.

Yes mine has one. But it doesnt tone my unit down enough to work close up. I talked to a friend today who explained what reuben was saying about disconnecting the antenna. This method worked very good for finding the collar at close range, just walk in the direction the beep gets louder.

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I have had Johnson tel. A Ted 1000 and noe have a trx10 that i  run w the garmin I find w the wildlife 10 it is very power full 50 or 60 feet I need to in plug my antenna to find the collar .the dogs do not leave w/o wildlife collar .I do agree w who ever said garmin can't keep up w a dog that leaves out telemetry may b old and the pass but it still finds the dog at the end of the day when the garmin has losted signal or the garmin collar won't track .I had more prob w garmin then I ever had w wildlife materials .
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im not knocking your dogs but all i can say is they must not get out very far cause i hunt in winn, bienville, and natchitoches parishes all the time and my garmin  consistently fails when the dogs get to a little over 1000 yards, and yes i have the long range antennas on my collars and on the handheld and the only way i can track past 1000 yards is if both me and the dogs are in a open cutover. it makes me happy happy happy when a hunting buddy has a sorry ole telemetry collar that i can put on my dogs.

never had a prob in 15 yrs and I hunt in and around the city !

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My dogs hunt good an are not long range, short to med striking range an bottom to stick for miles an bay for hours ,and gritty enough to stay in the bubble of a hog, there's no scent's trying to call them off its faster to catch the hog. an the Garmin dc40s brings them home every time !

Just wait mud it will happen.... I had two on my collars stop tracking just this weekend. Saturday my top dog was 800 yards and headed towards us in a round about way, she was running a hog and had just been a couple of miles from us when all the sudden i loose her. I was able to pin point her with my wild life and started calling her off from the direction she was at. The garmin finally picked her collar back up when she got fifty yards from me. One of mikes prize pups had the same thing happen saturday. Sunday my second best dog had her garmin collar stop tracking at 746 yards when she was running a hog and it didnt pic her back up until i got within 50 yards of her. I dont know what causes the garmins to fail but it IS a problem. I was not tracking for at least two hours and with a dog like her she could have been miles away from us. So from here on out my mutts will have a wildlife or some sort of back up telemetry collar on. Both of the garmin collars were under three months old that failed this weekend.

Hey travis have you tried using a garmin??? ;) :) hahaha

I had the same issue last saturday travis, i couldnt figure it out either....smoke was out over 1/2 a mile a cpl times and never had a single issue with his collar.... then he came in to under 700yds and it completely lost him for over 15minutes.....now the old man doesnt get so far out in his old age much any more but he will still leave real quick on a fresh track......never did figure out what the issue was and it eventually picked him back up and didn't screw up again. I agree with you 100% tho, garmin still hasnt worked out all of their problems.....it seems to happen to me with one collar or another dang near every hunt......

Seems like everyone was having issues Saturday....  We couldn't pick up our collars good even with the hand held long range....  Oh well, loosing my dogs for alittle while is better than having them kilt because of a beep beep system...  ;)

this weekend there were some forrest fires in Mexico and the winds were channeling the smoke over Texas as per the Houston news report...thhe smoke might of caused the signal strength for the Garmin to drop off some especially in the woods and thick cover...Just throwing that out there as a possibility...

I wonder if having wireless internet on my cell phone and using it while using the Garmin if that will cause interferance between the reciever and collars (Garmin)...

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That was a joke Mr. Muddog....

I have lost dogs for longer periods of time with the Garmin than when I had a telemetry system....
Garmin has taken me the wrong direction, not picked up, just quit working etc etc... I stay mad at my Garmin but won't run a dog without one...

Dogs killed because of telemetry collars.... Awww poo...
Guess you got the only Garmin that works like the box says they do...

I had to go Sat morning and track a young mans dogs because his garmin quit working and his telemetry system wasn't working. Didn't take long and I was able to drive right to his dogs. If your dogs have any range to them at all I would put telemetry collar on first then you can put the garmin on.  However, I don't feed anyone else's dogs on here so use what you feel works best.

thank u ! Agree 100%

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