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I put several doses in a syringe and squirted appropriate dose in each dogs mouth.I was trying to be more effeciant with my time. Dog jumped and i pushed plunger to hard. and pushed about 2 ml in his mouth. think he will be ok. he's about 45 or 50 lbs.

he will be fine!

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Ditto he'll be ok I use 2ml in my dogs every other month but I use 1% are you using 2%?

Its very hard to overdose a dog on Ivomec.  For example:  when a dog has "red mange", the vet reccommended treatment is 1.5 times the normal body weight dosage, every day for 30 days minimum, 60 days if needed.  I had a dog several years ago that was a cull and I knew I was going to cull her, so just to see what would happen, I gave her a whole tube of Zimecterin paste horse wormer (which is Ivomec), enough for a 1250 lb horse, and the next day she was running around like no big deal and wasn't event sick.  2cc of Ivomec aint nothing.   

The paste is 1.87 percent ivermectin and ivomec is 1 percent...I did the same with a pit bull that I was going to cull that was 4 or 5 years old and never been on heart worm prevention...like you I did some experimenting with him and he looked like he was having a heart attack later that evening and I gave him an aspirin and he lined back out...I believe I killed to many heartworms too fast and the aspirin thinned his blood to make it circulate better...JMO  :-\

Thanks for the info. I was nervous hes a good pup making a dog fast.

had a cane corso die from regular dose, gave my dogos same dose and were fine....

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Did that Cane Corso possibly have heart worms that cut loose and killed him?

Contrary to speculation......Ivomec doesn't kill heart worms nor is it fatal if given to a dog that has heartworms.

  Bryant , it kills certain generations of heart worms , right ?

  Why would you purposely try to poison a dog ? I don't get it.

   it kills the larva not the worm  .   if I ain't having a senior moment .

Maybe I am wrong but I am almost positive that ivomec as well as other "heartworm treatments" do NOT kill the heartworms, the meds make the females sterile so once the worms have run their course and die off no new worms hatch.......this is what i've been told in the past if I am remembering right.........can anyone support this??

X2 cantexduck.... Of your gonma cull a dog why do experiments on it. Just call it like a normal person

Ivomec kills off the microfilaria (baby heartworms) as well as sterilizes the adults to prevent breeding. Said adults will eventually die off. The average lifespan of an adult heartworm is 5 years. This is a good slow treatment best for dogs that are early on in their diagnosis. Technically, any dog being treated for heartworms is at risk of throwing a clot under high stress activity during it's duration of treatment, as the mature worms begin to die off.

Immiticide which is arsenic based (administered by a vet only) is the chemical that a dog can easily die from during treatment if not kept super calm and on cage rest, because it does kill adults as well, quickly, which can/will clog arteries when a dog get's too excitable. This is a route that is taken in most cases for dogs that have a moderate to severe heartworm infection. This is the treatment where dogs must be on strict cage rest.

Vets now are starting to use Doxycycline along side Ivermectin to treat heartworms. Apparently this is working very well according to studies, and is alot less stressful on the dog, and causes less inflammation.

 

My knowledge comes from working in the veterinary field for approx. 15 years of my life.. I don't know much about nothin, but I do know a good bit about veterinary medicine. Take it or leave it.  :-X

I was tryin like hell to remember that name. Pretty much exactly what you typed is what I have been told in the pasgt regarding heart-worms. thanks for taking the time to type it.

no he was 8mos old

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No problem at all :D I'll talk any thing dog related any time of the day!

I hope that's some kind of sick joke. Some people just shouldn't be able to own animals.

I knew ivomec killed microfilaria...and I thought that the normal monthly dose would keep the microfilaria killed off until the adult worms died off...and I also thought that several high doses of ivomec would kill the adult worms as well...I reckon I have been wrong for many years on that one...  :-\

but I will say this...back in 1983 a Foster and Smith catalog put out a recipe to kill heartworms in a dog...they said that it was used extensively in Europe and Australia and that it worked and it only costs a few dollars to do so...I had the catalog saved in my locker at work and a few years later I needed to treat a dog and I thought I had misplaced the catalog...I called Foster and Smith to see if they would send me another catalog from the 1983 issue or to at least give me the recipe over the phone...Well, the Vet paused for a moment and then asked me who I was...then he says that he can not send out that catalog and he can not give the recipe because the veterinary association (some organization) threatened to pull their practicing liscenses because this treatment was not FDA approved...long story short I went thru all my dog magazine storage places and found the catalog...I still have it somewhere around here but that recipe is now burned in my brain...  ;)

I have treated 7 or 8 dogs with this treatment and one dog that the vet said it should be put down because it would not make it...back then the only treatment was with arsnic back then and some times the cure was worse than the heartworms...not to mention it cost an arm and a leg to put a dog thru that treatment...

Mr. Reuben, I lost the best dog ive ever owned to heartworms/ arsenic treatment, if you get a spare moment please pm this treatment method in case it is needed in the future.......I promise I won't tell the veterinary association about it!  ;D

I am at work right now...will pm later...

Thank you sir.

Interesting stuff. thanks for sharing. I wish i was a vet. I'de love it so much.

Please add me to that pm list if you don't mind Mr Reuben I'd greatly appreciate it

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Please pm me the recipe as well Mr. Reuben


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All of you should have the treatment in a PM, I had a moment and I know Mr. Reuben gets busy with work so I figured i'd forward it to ya'll, hope you don't mind Mr. Reuben.

Thanks Justin...I appreciate it very much...

yes sir Mr. Reuben, once again thanks for sharing your knowledge!

I have always heard the same thing about ivomec killing off the microfilariae in the bloodstream. I got a young plott in about a year & 1/2 old & first of the month, gave all the dogs there ivomec. I ended up giving this dog 1 1/2 cc because he looked wormy. Next day he was lethargic & did not eat. The following morning I went out to check on the dogs & he was dead. Took him to the vet for a autopsy & when they cut him open he had heartworms but what killed him was one of the worms came out of the heart into his lungs & he strangled. Vet said it was probably the ivomec that caused that heartworm to vacate the heart & move. Called the previous owner & he told me he never had the dog on any type of heartworm preventive. Could not believe it. Only a year 1/2 old & this dog had a fistfull of heartworms in his heart.
  Every dog on my place from 3 months old gets his dose of ivomec on the first of the month. Never had any other problems.

Hey Rueben or Justin, can you pm me the treatment as well.

Brand Names:
•Tramisole
• Levasol
 
Drug Name:

levamisole
 
•Family: Imidothiazole
•Treatment & Control of: Lungworms, roundworms.
•Goat dose: ◦ Injection: Tramisol injectable 13.65% is given SQ at the rate of 2ml/100lbs.
◦Oral: The oral sheep oblets: 2 tablets/100 lbs.

•Milk withholding time: 4 days
•Notes: ◦ Levamisole is very effective against lung worms.
◦Safe in pregnant animals.
◦ There has been reported toxicity with this wormer if overdosed, so be sure to weigh your goats and administer the correct amount for each animal. Do not overdose.
◦ Do to the possibility of death if over dosed, I personally avoid using this wormer if at all possible.

Levasole probably is no more...so LEVASOL and TRAMISOLE or what you need to look for...back when I used this wormer the pill wormed a forty pound goat and the procedure called for the same weight of the dog...so my feeling is that these wormers should be used the same...the message above says that this wormer is toxic but the dogs might show symptoms but the dogs I treated never showed any reaction to the medication...Foster and Smith said the same thing...this wormer can also be used for hooks and rounds but I never have...

LOL .........reckon it was probly just easier to do it that way in the first place Mr. Reuben!

I've never heard of a dog overdosing on it but I wormed one of my pits with it and he brokeout in big sores all over. I had a friend of mine look at him and he said that it affected him differently than my cur dogs because some of them have sensitive skin. Anybody have any other thoughts?

I have heard you are never supposed to give the Collie breeds ivomec. Either allergic or some other reaction to it. Anybody else heard of this.

   here you go Cajun .

  SIDE EFFECTS

Side effects are not a concern with the extremely low doses used in commercially marketed heartworm preventives.

Problems may arise when higher doses, such as those used against skin mites, are employed but even then, side effects generally do not occur with any anti-mange doses of ivermectin except in animals with genetic sensitivity. Such individuals are usually Collies, Shetland sheepdogs, Australian shepherds, and Old English sheepdogs, though some individual animals that are not members of these sensitive breeds may also be prone to side effects. Very low test doses are often recommended to identify thes individuals regardless of their breed. Alternatively, a blood test is available to test for genetic sensitivity (see below).

Collies with ivermectin sensitivity have been found to have a mutant gene for what is called the "P-glycoprotein." The P-glycoprotein has been studied largely because overexpression of this protein (i.e. having more of it than normal) results poor function of chemotherapy drugs in the treatment of cancer. The P-glycoprotein appears to be involved in keeping drugs out of certain body tissues. Having excess P-glycoprotein keeps chemotherapy drugs from reaching the tumor. When it comes to ivermectin sensitivity the problem is the opposite: mutant or non-functional P-glycoprotein leads to failure to keep certain drugs out of the central nervous system, allowing them access to sensitive tissue. Ivermectin side effects stem from ivermectin entering the central nervous system.

Approximately 35% of Collies have a genetic mutation creating a non-functional P-glycoprotein. This allows for ivermectin doses that would normally be blocked from the central nervous system to gain access to it. Other herding breeds as listed above also have a tendency to express this mutation. There is now a test for P-glycoprotein mutation so that ivermectin sensitive dogs can be identified. This is a DNA test using an oral swab. Test kits can be ordered directly from the Washington State University Veterinary School via

www.vetmed.wsu.edu/depts-vcpl

Heartworm preventive doses are so low that side effects are not produced even in ivermectin sensitive individuals.

Side effects of concern are: dilated pupils and drunken gait which can progress to respiratory paralysis and death if medication is not withdrawn and supportive care is not initiated

Thanks Halfbreed, Knew I heard it somewhere.  All in all, ivomec is the most bang for your buck all things considering.
  I remember when they first started worming horses with it, & everybody started buying ivomec at the feed stores & worming their own horses. The vets did not like that so they started saying it would cause reactions to horses. I know I wormed alot of horses with it & never had a problem. Soon after is when they started coming out with zimectrin horse paste wormers & others with ivomec in them.