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I don't have nothing against helping a person get up on their feet but I have been getting real hot lately. Times have been real hard for me. I have had to go off in the woods and get diner a time or two. My son has holes in his shoes but will get some new ones by next school year. But I just can't go down and take money because it just don't feel right. I am educated but can't get decent job for anything. Well I decided to get some training and shift to a occupation. But I need the money for the training. So I went down to every store looking for work. I took the first job I was offered. I started pushing shopping carts out of the parking lot of a store in an upscale neighborhood. I pushed carts in the rain and heat without any complaints. I paid for my training and should be getting a decent job in a couple months. But working hard got me working on the register. Now I have all these rich people complaining about the dumbest things. But what boils my blood hotter than a three ____ed billie goat is the people coming in wearing the nice clothes and women with the high dollar purses pulling out a Lone Star card (food stamps)!!!!!

I won't even get into how bad things are for me but I go start pushing shopping carts in the rain and heat while the lazy ____ people get free food!!! Then they are going to complain to me about how the things are put in the bags!!!!! I ain't gonna lie that part about loving my neighbor gets real hard. Now I do show respect and never bring attention to them. I never would do anything to make them feel bad. I do not know any of their life stories. But I think there needs to be some serious looking into the welfare system.

If you see in the news that some crazy employee lost it and started slapping someone with fresh T-bone steak you will know who it was ;D The last part is a joke. I do not want to hurt anyone but I sure get mad at the welfare system.

I do get my 22 and go get my own food. Real men don't need food stamps to feed their family.

Im there with ya dub....

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It's harder for a camel to get into the eye of a pin than a rich man into heaven

Let me correct my self not pin but needle

i feel ya too Dub

this one will get ya
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One more time....'its EASIER  a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man into heaven" . Dub......the difference between you and those that want to bleed the system is when you go home at night and look in the mirror you can hold your head high and be proud of your achievements. What they see, on the other hand,is punishment enough for eternity.

I understand your frustration all to well. I have been a sub contractor for a long time like 20 yrs and few yrs back when house ing market drop I was cought holding the bag darn near lost every thing but my shirt. Went to welfare office got told I had made to much money I told them by time I paid my crews and bills had nothing left I showed them all the proof and got no help my sister who is worthless goes in there and get food stamps all she does is lies don't get it but I survived and so will you just keep your head up and keep dig ing away and it will get better

yep, ive been there, tried that and same chit....i think im not dark enuff.lol..but what really kicks me is when you see a lady in front of you with a few kids hanging off your arms. and she's looking at the register to make sure she has enough money, but realize that she doesn't... and then put back the lunch meat milk eggs and bread. and keeps the potato chips the donuts,and candy..

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    the new farm bill that was passed is 80% food stamp program and 20% left for the folks it is supposed to help  [ the farmers  ]    did any of you oppose or write you congressmen or senators and show your opposition to this bill ?   it can gripe your behind and make you mad for sure , but has it made you mad enough to help do something about it ?    GET INVOLVED IN POLOTICS FOLKS  that's the only way we can change this crap , same with the hsus and all the anti hunting and dogging laws .  the laws and bills section on this board should be the most looked at and discussed area on this board and it moves the slowest and is hardly noticed . until we the conservative americans get busy and take back our country it will only get worse .

I guess I try to keep my wife dressed nice. For all I know they got the nice clothes and purses at Salvation Army on half price day. Maybe they just want to have something to make them feel human. But to me it is just keeping them where they are and killing them inside to give them the food. Hungry children will sure motivate you to go to work. Then when you have earned it you feel better about yourself. The sad fact is that most people in poverty are white and they have at least one job. But I don't see them coming in with a Lone Star card.

I will be teaching my children how to get food when you don't have money. Get some line and hooks then you can use lots of things for bait. You don't need any rod and reel just tie it to a tree or root. Then you get fresh fish. With a pellet gun you can get birds and squirrels maybe a rabbit if you shoot good enough. Then go get some wild onions and salt is cheap. Then even if it ain't the best dinner they can say that they really made dinner. But the government wants people to be lazy and dependant so they can be "protected."

This is what bothers me ! There is a government built house that was just finished I pass by all the time that has a Mercedes with big 20" plus rims and all chromed out! But our taxes built this house for them!

Yep, aint got enuf darky in ya to get any HELP when u need it, but yet 10s of 1000s keep their hands out for a freebe when hard workin honest folks struggle to survive.

But Charles.....they deserve it, remember how bad your great great great great great great great great great grandpappy treated em.... rolleyes

 F'em. my great granddaddy was a kraut who left Germany in 1927, so im sure my kin folks aint dun nothing to their lion bait kin folks. only thing the modern freeloaders need is good case of fast acting aids. why should hard working folks hav to feed their family, that crooked gov and their family and these freeloaders and their family? honest folks cant get ahead bc of the worthless aholes and yaws benvalent government.

dam tell me how you really feel;D

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Dub, i admire your work ethic,  a man's work ethic is a direct sign of CHARACTER.  It goes to show you, that no matter how menial, a good attitude and genuine effort will get you further along, in some instances, very few, that might not be the case. But a man builds his self esteem by the quality of work he produces.  And God said, something like this,,, " so shall a man not work, so shall he not eat" . That goes to show you, also, how un Godly people are who would not require someonemto work to receive food.

Hey dub, check your pms.

Dub,
About 4 months ago I was at the grocery store and young white guy and girl dressed very nice talking about the vacation they are fixing to go on, broke out the lonestar card, this dude had a 200$ pair of Oakleys on his head. I couldn't help myself but I said are you kidding me, you are not ashamed of that, I said it pretty load. I embarrassed them pretty good. They dropped that head. Go to a college and look at the freshman dorms, 80% of the people there do not pay anything, free college for the low income. That pisses me off worse than the lonestar card. My daughter don't qualify for any assistance because of my income. I work construction. go figure
 

Oh it is white people too.

On top of everthing my wife was rear ended at a red light by some kid so hard it knocked her into the car in front of her almost two weeks ago. Well just talked to the guy that did the estimate for our only car. His estimate is more than the blue book value of the car. Well this is not good timing. Well there goes the engine for my truck. At least there is no loan on the car. I was thinking about a Dodge Durango the third row seating anyways.

Boy, thats a p!sser. I hate when insurance company wont consider all the time it took u to find a good, dependable used car or truck, then wont fix it for u. I have a 88 landcruiser, pristine, owned by a lil Chinese family, i bugged her for 15 years about letting me buy it when she did sell. Had it now for over 5 yrs, last jan, lady pulls right out from a side street onto a busy one way street right in front of me. Still drivable, but hood, fenders, grill etc all took damage. Ins gave me 700& more than i paid for it, but still not enough to fix it. They said it would total,out if they did the "official estimate" luckily, my lil Chinese family has offered me their 1998 landcruiser, so I'm about to pick  that up for my next daily driver.  Good luck with your vehicle

I was planning to buy my wife a new car when I get a decent job in about two months. The car was nothing special just a Hyundai with almost 150,000 miles but it worked. I know they won't offer me much for the car. If they will pay me up to the value and let me fix it. I bet I could sell the seats foor more than they offer. I have a number in my head and if they offer that or more I will take the money. If they try to low ball me I will call a lawyer I know. Normally this would be too small for a good lawyer but he said he would help me out. But how long will that take?

Hunger is a great motivator.
I'm all for helping those that need it, its the one's that can but refuse to help themselves.
   The welfare DEFINITELY needs an overhaul. And the color of skin has NOTHING to do with it, majority of people here on welfare are white.
   It ain't the color, its what you put on the application. ;-)

We hit a bump in tha rd a xple years ago and got food stamps for about 6 months.  well i ended up getting good job and getting back on our feet the food stamps kept comin.  i told my wife we needed to just take the card back to s s office cuz we didnt need the help anymore.   when i walked in and told them i got a good job we dont need there money anymore thwy looked at me like i was tryin to kill somebody they said oh it dont work that way so i said okay.  juat tryin to do tue right thing here i walked out and went down to our local ghetto.(gov apartments).  and gave the card to a youngster i know his mom is single and makes to much money supposedly being a waitress.  but these kids are ALLWAYS hungry but they are very respectable make a long story short them food atamps kept comin for another 3 or 4 months even after the fact we tried to terminate it that shows how much they R on top of things.  i love our government bout like i like a kick in tha face

and who doesn't love a good swift kick to the face!  ;D rolleyes

Exactly. They really need to step it up, and do some checking on all those applications. It's kind of like a group of siblings that were all about the same age as me in school. All the way from pre-school til the day they graduated they had reduced lunches. But always had the nicest things, and all four of them got brand new cars when they started driving. And I'm talking escalades and 350z's not a Kia. Somehow though they get reduced lunches and all that kind of stuff, but a kid wearing clothes from goodwill, being raised by a single mom getting by on the bare minimum couldn't get any assistance cause his mom made to much. How the heck does that work? All these gov't assistance programs need an overhaul.

 I had reduced/free lunch between 1-5 grade, when my pops started working at the local foundry (thank goodness) he made to much, which he had already stopped the program bc he knew he would make more than enuf to support he and I. it was a good system for the needy, but it is being abused. iv had to use food stamps when I was doing industrial construction bc jobs in my area was scarce for heavy construction, but like Hamilton said, trying to cancel it was like pulling teeth from a hungry lion, but unlike him, I kept the card, let it build up till they canceled it. an honest man barely can get help when needed but when it rarely happens, they atleast do the right thing and cancel it once back on their feet but the freeloaders are ruining it for ALL honest folks, crackers includes.

If a person wanted an easy tax cut...I'm talking tax paying citizens they should just get on food stamps and buy groceries for four or five other hard working tax payers.Might as well It's not going to stop or be reformed or anything like that until it all comes crashing down. five people could get a extra hundred a month tax cut. every dollar a tax payer gets back from it is a dollar a lazy obama voter won't. It's patriotic if you ask me.Or just get them for your self. give yourself a tax cut It's just like dealing with insurance companys which I do every day. The principle of the thing means nothing. It's knowing the system and calling something thats obviously one thing something else cause they will pay for it if you call it that.Go ahead give yourself a seven hundred per month tax cut.Soon their wont be their won't be nothing left for the mooches. just a suggestion. this is intended for educational purposes only and should not be tryed it is a crime. but it would work if you did.

My 2 kids are ready for school and have a hearing test and fail by a couple points, well needless to say they have to get tubes be4 they can go to school, we take em to the doc and its $5,000 per kid ask if there's any payment plans and they say no that we make to much money yet we drive a 95 Nissan truck and a 97 cavaler and live in a 08 trailer house on 3 Akers I just don't see where to pull that 10000 dollars from hell we don't have credit cards are any thing because we don't make enough to pay monthly credit card bills, yet my wife's sister gets free cell phone 900 every 2 weeks for food and don't work at all and is always trying to sell food stamps to get money to go buy pot and liquor I just don't get the way this world works, seem like the lazyer u are the easer ur life will b

Amen brother I don't get it ether

To me food stamps and nice stuff says drug dealer. You obviously have money and the government don't see it. So you are gettiing it from somewhere not legal. You can get nice clothes from Salvation Army but not a nice car. Then those dumb rims, how much did they spend on those? Now I ain't talking color of skin I am talking about trash that comes in every color. Then they are teaching their kids to do it too.

Some people just know how to work the system.  It sucks being honest sometimes...

Dub, if you will pm me your address and what size shoes your boy wears I'll send him a new pair...

Sometimes you gotta get your priorities right... A decent pair of shoes cost about the same a bag of dog food..

My boy only has rips in his tennis shoes. I will get him new ones on Friday when I get paid. The point is that I can't just run out and go buy a pair of shoes. It is about priorities and my boy needs to learn to take care of his stuff when he ain't paying for it. When that boy wants a new anything his old one either breaks or gets ripped. It just ticks me off that he does that. So he can walk around with ripped tennis shoes in the summer. Then you have these people coming in with food stamps wearing brand new $200 tennis shoes or whatever they cost.

If I paid the same price for shoes as I do a bag of dog food my boy would not wear those shoes. I get a bag of food for around $20 and shoes are about $60 even though he wants the more expensive ones. I knew June was going to be a real hard month because I had to spend money on school. So I went and got dog food and people food to last the month. There was no money for anything extra. It sure would have been nice if I could have got free food for a month. But give me three months and things will be good for my family. Why? Because I get out and work and make things happen instead of cheating the system. That is my real point. These people think they are getting ahead but three years from now they will be exactly the same. If they had to go work for the food they would get promotions and raises and then they would be in a better place in a few years. Plus they would feel better about themselves. I think the government uses welfare to keep poor people poor. There is no motivation to do anything better as long as the family has food. But remove the food and there is motivation to better yourself. If your freezer is full do you care about getting food. But when the freezer starts going low you get out and fill that freezer back up. Then you find out how much fun hunting is and you want to do it more. Then your freezer does not get empty. But if your freezer is always full someone may just sit around and watch TV all day. Then they need healthcare. So the governnment needs to take care of the healthcare. So then those politicians get re-elected so they have food and healthcare. So then the politicians have jobs by taking money from the people that work so their voters can sit aroundwith free food in the freezer and free heathcare just to make sure they always get those votes from the people that have no self worth.

Haha... Putting it that way, I'd make him wear them too!!

From the way I read it was they were just so worn out they had holes... I ain't one for telling people how to live, but I can't understand how some complain about not having necessities but feed dogs, always have cigarettes and beer, etc etc...  ESPECIALLY if the family needs something...

The shoe depot has some decent brand name shoes for $20 believe it or not...
When times are hard you cant be too picky...

Good luck on your job... Hope it gets better for you...

Where is this shoe depot? I just spent $150 on a pair of running shoes. Now im sure $100 of that is bc its made in america, which is worth it to me but if shoe depot has the same shoes for less, i know where im getn my nxt pair. $150 every 8 mths get pricey fast

A guy who was a wealthy business man told me he had a talk with the shoe carnival founder once on an airplane, this was in the early nintys. The guy told him that regardless of the brand name on the shoe the cost off the ship was 3.00 or 4.00 a pair.

They are in most malls in my area... I was looking for a pair to wear at the lake and while playing paintball..
Bought a pair of camouflage all terrain shoes for $40..
I saw several nike, polo, Adidas, and kswiss for 20-50 bucks...

 ok, thanks trent. I wear new balance, but i'll tell the wife to c what they got if we hav 1 in our area.

I would believe that. Unless they r advertising american made but made in the lands of rice n raw fish, i'll pay the higher price to keep americans employed instead of a bunch of foriegners, thats till i find out them shoes r made out of the united states. If it comes down to it, i guess i'll just hav to run in boots again, wont b the first time.

Dub,
Hang in there, it tough on alot of people right now, at least you have a game plan. Tough times make the easy times alot better..As soon as things seem to be going good number 2 alwaqys happens. hang tough

all you can do is what a man can do.went from a 250,000 dollar company to makin just what i sell in my knives.my house and land is paid for this last march, cause i would rather starve than do what i was makin good $ and do the same for mex wage .bustin my azz doin it all legal and them come in for half my price .screw the liberal dems. we are the minority now ,maybe not in population but whites are SCREWED

dub keep your head up

X10,000
u add all the other supposed minorities up, and us crackers is the minorities. an illegal, a female or a darky gets all the support from yaws government, a white man has to lay down n take it from behind now days.

Once I bought a brand new pair of New Balance running shoes for 5 dollars when Wieners was closing down. Those were the best running shoes I ever owned and if I had known then I would have bout all they had left...

but getting to the welfare business there is a way to wean folks off of the system but it seems that the government likes keeping a certain percentage of folks in the slums...it is good business for the court judicial system...also keeps law enforcement in business as well...not to mention all the government agencies...

The system sucks in another way...example; when one couple acts responsibly and they save money in a 401k and buy a house and a few acres of land and pay everything off for retirement and when the spouse gets a serious illness there will not be any assistance because they have a nest egg and own a house...

and another couple makes the exact same money and live in an apartment and spend all their surplus money on vacations and partying along with some recreational drugs...the spouse gets the same illness as the one mentioned prior and they get the government assistance because they do not own anything yet they are the ones who did not live responsibly...so the message is that those who act responsibly get punished for it but those who do not are rewarded...

There ain't any beer or cigarettes in my house that is for sure. I am buckling down and taking it more than anyone in my house. I make sure everyone eats before I do. Everyone gets new clothes and shoes before I do. My dogs eat before I do. That is why I thought I might have to sell my dogs to make it through this month. But I can feed them through tomorrow and then go get food on Friday. Everyone has food they will eat. I am eating rice with some meat from the freezer. My younger two did not want to eat rabbit or turtle. So I just eat what they won't. My oldest eats whatever he can like me. It is tough but I can make it without the government helping. I am working on my teaching certification and I want to go teach in the bad schools. Most of the raised on food stamps. Maybe if they hear there is another way to live I can help a few learn to take care of themselves.

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Tell you what, two weeks ago I was grocery shopping and I get in line to check out and the 5'0 300 lb woman in front of me had an entire buggy full of ribeyes, pork chops, sausage, chicken breasts, chicken quarters, sirloins, and bacon. One bag of ten lb potatoes..... Not even exaggerating I watched as she was checking out just in pure awe lol. I mean the basket was completely full. Total rang up 500 bucks and some change. Pulled out her lone star card and I almost puked. She sure as hell eats better than me and mine. At least buy some hamburger meat though woman... When I came up, the cashier was an older lady and said "I guess I should quit this place and live like that, I love me some red meat." I'm all for helping anyone that needs it but those that take advantage or those that don't try anything to help themselves are the scum of the earth IMO. I just don't think I could ever do that, but I know if it ever came to it, we sure as hell wouldn't be eating steaks every night.

 they ain't eating all that josh  they buy the high dollar cuts of meat and sell them for 50 cents on the dollar , just like they used to sell their food stamps for the same  . the loanstar card was supposed to stop all that  [ yeah right  ] but that's what our tax dollars do for them .

Ah...the good ole days of buying the old pepper food stamps for .50 cents on the dollar....the like you said the lonrstsr card came up....then youd just haul them to the store and take them in and get you a $100 worth of ribs and brisket for $50....dang almost miss the ole north side of H-town...a lil. Ha ha

I had a couple come through today buying all kinds of nice stuff and a cup of coffee. They pulled out the Lone Star card rolleyes It paid for everything but the cup of coffee. Then they had got attitude at me because I asked for the money that was not covered. When they got all upset about having to pay for the coffee after "spending" all that money I wanted to just tell them that they did not spend any of their money they spent other people's money. I had to just smile and be nice. I am working my rear end off and can't eat as nice as they do and they complain about having to pay for their own cup of coffee?

It does piss me off to see a family with two carts full of food and bust out that card and see a wad of cash and then see them hop in a way fancier ride than most and roll off.

When I was about nine my dad left and me and my older brothers had to work our butts off with no money comin in from him. There was four of us boys and my mom and all of us except my lil brother worked and tryed to survive but you have grown men with families and instead of getting there lazy butts out and workin they get help from the government. This world is gettin so messed up

its not only in texas its alabama to, over here  its not the lonestar card its called something else i hear people talking about it all the time. im all for helping people that are having a hard time and trying to help theirselves and would be more than happy to do so but the government does not want to help that type of person, if i could go tommorow and get one of them cards i would ,not because im sorry or lazy but the way i see it i work for everything i got and it would just put a little more cash in my pocket for gas or a new tracking collar or just something nice for my wife it looks like to me the government wants to give it away to them kind of people i dont see anything wrong with a person wanting to put more in his pocket getting one, and i have paid in my fair share of taxes over the years it would be nice to get a little back, and i would rather someone that paid as much taxes as anyone that works get a little back out of government that does nothing for us than for someone that is just to sorry to get up at 4 in the morning to get it.

Churches have food pantries that give out free food. But that does not give the government a reason to raise taxes or create government employees so they can raise taxes even more to pay the people that give away your money. It is not about the food it is about people abusing a system that taxes everyone that works when there is already free food.

ok. Pls heed. Is it better to point fingers at the exploits people do because they're lazy. or is it better to say oh I'm sorry I hope things get better for you. if you react in spite a lot of times you get spite in return. if you react with a genuine feeling of concern and compassion. Dont convet thy neighbors steak and chicken...just joking. Slap dat fat beoch and say get a job foo...ya have ta say it all gangster like...helps with effectiveness

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I have to be nice and smile the whole time rolleyes Most of the Lone Star users try to be descrete. I have no problem with people needing some help. It is the people with all the nice clothes and cars that think other people should pay for their food because they are entitled that piss me off.

ya know ive noticed lately that people have a huge sense of entitlement... like they deserve something. nobody wants to work for it anymore. it sad. Cuz sometimes you can have the American dream without having to work for it..:-(

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2500 years ago, Moses said to the isrilites, pick up ur shovels, get on ur asses, we r headin to the promise land. Today, the government says, throw down ur shovels n sit on ur asses, ur here in the promise land.