EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

**By no means am I trying to point anyone out**
     Just stuck at a cross road on this one. Just don't see the reason or how truthful this is. There is a CD on the trade for sell that will go to a bay 300 yards out ??? Rarely have I heard a bay from 300 yards? Unless conditions are perfect. Or maybe my dogs don't have a loud enough bark. Besides that, who in there right mind would cut a CD lose at 300 yards?! Thoughts? Opinions?
 

I don't send my catch dog from 300 for any reason if the bay dogs can't hold it tell I get there then hope I get him the second time they stop him, but I hear my dogs at 300 all the time but I'd say that's about max, I use to hunt with just my ears and the way the dogs left out so rarely do I look at the Garmin other than to secure my thought of hearing lol

I have seen a CD sent from 400 to a hog that was just walking down a turn row. Short race hog never knew what happened until it was over. Personally I run a rough catchy pack with a RCD. If I had a CD I would send him from further than I can see if I thought they needed the help. Truth is I can't outrun a dog.

I quests that depends on what type of country or terrain your in. We turn our catch dogs a lot further than that to a bay. In open country and mesquites you can hear a dog bay far off.

I send from over 300 a lot. In my country I have heard a bay from way over a mile.

Lots of different ways to play this game and lots of difference in the country we all hunt and the holding dogs that we use.

I hunt with few people that let there catch dogs run loose an will go to bay lot farther than 300. I let mine run loose sometimes but mine will go to a bay as long as he can hear. Around here in right conditions u can hear one a mile away

I personally have to be right there looking at the bay or within range to hear the hog. I hunt where people run a lot of livestock and even though my dogs are livestock broke 300 yards is a lot of room for error

Depends on terrain, vegetation, wind direction. We hear ours from 300-400 pretty regular. Out to 3/4 mile or more in open terrain.

I don't like to cut CD loose outside 75 yards but that's just my preference.

I send my cd as soon as I can hear the bay I have sent mine as far as 7/10 of a mile

I don't send mine in until we are close , most of the time we  are 75 yards or so , I also believe a lot of room for era at further distances in our terrain , at further distances your catch dog could be trashed before you get there , I see it as I'm his back up and I want to be right behind him and not let him get trashed while I'm trying to get there

Depends on country,,, you cant hear a bay over two hills and a chit load of trees. Even if its 100 yards or less....but cold,thin air open country I can see that

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I like to be as close as possible. I like to be able to hear the hog breathing cause you can't hardly see them in these pine thickets. I have seen it take 30 minutes or more to get 300 yards. You never know what is between you and the dogs.

I 300 yds is easily done.   I like to watch each bay before I send dogs.  Most often I am able to watch the catch, that's the good stuff.  If the wind is correct I can often hear the dogs at 1 mi or more.

  lol  get you a hearing aid son  !   heck there wasn't a place I hunted around my old farm that I couldn't hear the dogs I left at the house raising cain because they didn't get to go hunting .   300 yards ain't that far , I wont do it but not because my bulldog doesn't want to . sometimes I thought about it to save myself from being dragged to a bay . I have some loud mouth dogs for sale for you boys that need a little volume in your pack   lol  .

Some places we hunt the dogs can be a mile and sound like they are pretty close... Then there's been times at the same places we couldn't hear them at a few hundred...

Same here T.Wil......... on some of the deer leases we hunt you are lucky to hear them at 500yds due to the thick cover and others you can hear the dogs from over 1/2 a mile, all depends of the location/ terrain that we are hunting.

 All depends on the catch dog. Breed, build, and that sort of thing. We use pits so we try to get them as close as possible but I guess if you are running dogs that catch with the catch dog and he is a leggy sort of dog, 300 yards isn't too bad.

Also depending on terrain and situation..... like how quickly you can get to them after the catch.

But if I were advertising my cd. I could honestly say that he would go to the bay from 300 yards. We just wont let him do it. LOL  :D

Mine is a walk in dog a rcd ect ur catch dogs the one u believe in the most the one that's going.aginst the pig.the one u trust in. My catch dogs my favorite dogs. And in order to fill sucess and fill the bond within ur animals athlitism u judge weather or not ur dog can handle it IV sent mine half a male stayed cought on a 280 boar hog I.get there the deal is sealed. Just depends on ur style

Can hear these ol treein walkers of mine brawlin over 1/2 mile away some times futher

I got a pit gyp  I run on the ground all the time she can be 500 yards from the strike dog hunting on her own but if they bay she go to them like a rocket

   hhmmmn  so not so suspicious after all  .  lol 

I send from 300+ all the time

we have done thus be also exp I'd we can hear the bay dogs caught

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Also consider that this is a pit. Pits don't really have the build to be cut lose at 300. JMO

Why do you say that?

The ones I feed here do.

I lead mine in though, I don't cut 'em loose that soon myself.

The cd I spoke of earlier is a pit. Not all pits weigh 75 pounds plus and not capable running 100 yards without their eyes bugging out. I have seen lots that couldn't make these runs but I have seen plenty that could and look like they were just getting warmed up when it was over.

Hey drake ask ethan about our "icy creek hog" cut loose around 400 cuz we were just tired of chasing that loud mouth hound he sold me ha Ha. But his ebony gyp is a pit and have seen him run her like a rcd before

ive heard my gyp a solid mile out on garmin so i do know it was a mile its was pefict conditions and really just one huge pasture but i could hear her. same place she had a pig caught up and i could here it sqeulling and it was 0.6 something

The last time I hunted I was with 3 members of this board, we were on the edge of a milo field and had dogs baying on and off in the field for quite some time, I think they hit a sow and shoats....anyway there was a pretty solid bay going for a couple minutes roughly 500 or so yards in front of us, close to the edge of the field.......we sat and listened for a little bit and every time it seemed like the dog had the hog shut down they would go quiet again, the problem we had was that i want to say 4 or 5 dogs on the ground and they were all on their own pigs and were having trouble stoppin one of them running devils down in the thick milo, no 2 dogs were together if I remember correctly.......anywho I made a comment, something along the lines of "hell i should just turn blue (my cd) loose" and the man who invited me to hunt said heck turn her loose........ I honestly thought it was game over by watching her blaze to the bay on my garmin and I wont lie, I was gettin pretty excited lol.......well with my luck the bay dog went silent and another dog opened up in the milo, she turned sharp and headed towards it, no sooner than she did the bay dog that was on the edge of the road opened up again but she was heading to the other dog who had gone back to running its hog............

long story short it almost worked out great for us but looking back I wish I had held onto her and walked her down there closer or even waited for the first bay to settle.....maybe we woulda got lucky but as they say, hindsight is 20 20........ the moral of the story in my opinion is that every situation that we as hog hunters run into is different and while our dogs are all there to do the same thing no 2 dogs are alike, another mans bulldog may very well have stayed the course and caught the hog..... Thats part of it...... I am usually like most of you in that I like to be close to the bay to before turning my bulldog loose so that I can get to the hog and dogs quicker but as I said above, every situation is different and I tried what I THOUGHT would work that night. just my opinion on the subject! Happy Hunting folks!

I like to watch my bay dogs bay and my cd's catch so I dont cut the cd til Im right on top of the hog looking at him.

in an ideal situation I am the same way but these dang southeast texas thickets don't always allow me that luxury lol

You've been around the wrong kind of pits.

agree

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I turn mine loose at most 50 yds i like to video the smackdown when my cd gets there but shes raisin hell the whole time ahe hears a bay and thats usually from 250 to 300 yds out.  not so unusual different strokes for different folks sou ds like you oughtta get it if you aint never heard of it never know you may like tha different style.

i would like to see the bay dogs bay but 99% of the time its so thick you have to crawl in there and alot of time its bay and break around a big thicket so we will let the bulldogs loose when they can hear good and get a good direction from however far and when they catch drive out four wheelers in to them it sure beats crawling in to 20 yards and hog breaks and having to crawl back out. the only place i ever hunted i couldnt hear a group of dogs baying was in the mountains but in these saw briar thickets its easy to hear a dog 300 yards.

Just depends on how hard it is to get to them and how long it's gonna take me. I have been on my Hands and knees crawling to my dogs many times. May take 30 minutes to get to them sometimes. I want to be near just in case all Hell breaks loose. Most of the time if I have to send in a CD. He is a goodun or its several.

I send them from 300 yds on a regular bases. Did it twice this weekend

Closer the better for me. Helps reduce cuts and I'm fat and slow  ;D

I turned mine loose further than that on that hog that wrecked all your dogs...

Lots of ways to play this game bud, a versatile cd can be worth its weight in gold.

Lots of ways to play this game bud, a versatile cd can be worth its weight in gold.
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 I agree 100%, I've heard time and time agiain that cd's are dime a dozen. And I couldn't disagree more. I've been w/o a good cd as I'm sure everybody has at some time and its almost as bad as having a lead dog that won't hunt.

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Just a matter of preference boys. If I had a catch dog that was rock steady from 1/4 mile I still wouldn't unsnap from less than 75 yards 90% of the time.

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The question is why?

Why risk getting your strike dogs getting hurt or killed?

Some folks have to learn the hard way before they step back and think about. I know I did... and I'll never send a catch dog from a distance again.

If I had bay dogs that would stay with a caught hog I would not turn loose from far out but when my catch dog catches most of my dogs will roll out but I only hunt one strike dog at a time

I have done more times than not that's why you aren't going to sneak up on these running sobs here so send them from 3-400 yards and haul butt in the ranger as soon as they hit!! Different country!!! To each his own what works for some don't work for others!!!

X2 I think to much of my dogs to turn them loose from that far out.

I use real rough dogs so I make sure them rough curs got some help pretty quick that's why I run my bulldog loose she's found her share of pigs to

People get their feelings hurt pretty quick on this subject for some reason and I probably have been very guilty of not wording my opinion very politely a lot of times.

Let me say, most of what I hunt has almost no population left anymore and the hogs that are left run as bad as I've seen anywhere I've personally hunted, but even still, I expect my curs to find, stick, get a bay AND hold a bay till I get there to check out the hog and where he's bayed.

I could type out two pages of examples of terrible horrible places where a hog has bayed that may have killed almost every dog I brought if I'd have let a cd go early. But alas, I'll stick to one example.
Me and my best bud were hunting a bad nasty thick swamp property that has roseheadge thick as I've ever seen growing everywhere, EVEN ON THE SWAMPY SECTIONS.
Normally, you duck to go under roseheadge, on this place in certain spots, it would drown you. We got a dang good dog wrecker of a boar hog bayed in some bad stuff and he was out for scalps!!! 40 minutes and hands and knees to the bay and it kept getting thicker, at 20 yards I said "the heck with it!" And turned the catchdog loose as I figured with out her getting hung up I could get in there pretty quick! Well as it turns out it still took 8-10 more minutes to get to the boar as he was busting his way thru dogs and thorn vines away from us and after we stuck him, we noticed all the carnage. It wasn't pretty.

It's all different strokes for different folks and some people like catchdog work as much if not more than strike dog work so if that's you then great! Be the best you can be at it! Just for me personally, I like for the curs to hold that bay.

As far as it being "suspicious"?? I don't understand what's suspicious about it? With all due respect I read this several days ago and wondered if you were a young guy or just kinda getting started in this sport, not in a rude way at all fella, just that in only a few years of hunting you should see a jillion different ways that people do this and 300 yards would be a cake walk for about any pit I've ever hauled.

That's all, not being rude.

I got some dogs that won't catch even after the catch dog gets there. Those are the ones I send cd from distances. Now that I'm out of school, I have started to gather some rougher dogs as well, I send a 15 lbs paterdale to them from as close as I can get.

Sending a cd from a distance is a good way to cull the week and dumb, no matter the conditions of the property. I have had dogs caught for a long long time in some bad stuff. Hands and knees, swimming in ice water, ect Do I do it all the time? No, especially now that I am able to keep a bigger yard of dogs. But when I was in school and had less dogs, I couldn't afford to have anything so un-versatile as a lead in cd only. But let me tell you, now that I can afford to have more dogs, the only cd that has come off the chain all summer has been my pat :)

Like to b as close as possible but have sent them to shutdown runners from alot further than that. Gotta know your dogs! To each his own i learned the hard way that a good cd is not a dime a dozen and yes i used to believe that! But the best answer is what mike always says 'try before you buy' good hunting

Like to b as close as possible but have sent them to shutdown runners from alot further than that. Gotta know your dogs! To each his own i learned the hard way that a good cd is not a dime a dozen and yes i used to believe that! But the best answer is what mike always says 'try before you buy' good hunting