EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

im trying to steer my new hunting buddy ( tennessee ) away from hounds , and towards curs! lol

   im partial to the foundation dogs and would like to get some more in the neighborhood , that way  we  wont have to travel all over the world to get replacements when one is lost .

   i ve had 4 of these dogs and was pleased with 3 of them , one was the best cowdog i ever used , one was just recently killed buy a hog 1/4 mile from where he was turned loose and my new pup is wanting to work at 2 1/2 months .

how many of you use this line of curs ?

 those of you that use this line or have hunted with them tell us what you like /dislike compared to other lines .

I think they are good dogs, only had one, he was catchin everything that squeeled at 4 months old, runnin with the big dogs at 6 months old, and finding hogs at less than a year... he was just very very rough... he also did not suit me size wise, he was average height, about 45 pounds... I expected a bigger dog with more legs from what his parents looked like. He caught on quick and learned his job at an early age and learned it good, he loved it.... The size was not really an issue... the roughness was... just my experience with them, mayb I had a throw back or somethin... or mayb they are all that way its hard to say since thats the only one had or hunted. Even a bad yella dog is better than a good hound ;D ;D Just jokin hound hunters, I had my share of good hounds too... I finally saw the light though ;D

thanks hogtied , your check is in the mail  ;) ;) ;)

I have a buddy that has a double bred W Ben female. She will hunt and find a hog but has no bite at all. He kept talking about 4-6 hour long "races". I went and hunted with him and hunted just her to see what she could do. She left and bayed a couple of hundred yards away. Then shut up and bayed a different place. She kept doing this, then finally kept barking but moving. Didn't sound like she was track barking though. This went on for hours, she kept moving and we just couldn't get close to her to start with.

We finally drove around and got ahead of her and I slipped into the swamp. She was walking next to a 125-150 lb hog and barking at him as he walked around. He had figured out the dog wasn't going to bite him and was just going where he pleased. Every now and then he would run at the dog, then just trot off.

We turned another dog to her, got the hog stopped and caught him. But, the female had been on this hog for over 4 hours.......thus the long "races".

I have heard of other W Ben dogs being gritty,like above,  I just haven't seen any myself.

I did know one guy that went to Randy Wrights house and bought 11 W Ben dogs at one time and paid a pile of money for them. Only one dog out of the 11 ever found a hog for him and that one hung itself on a  chain......so he wasn't real happy with those  dogs.

John, the pup I offered you is Ben Weatherford bred. The pups were working thier tales off at a very early age, I have video of "Jr" baying at barely 2 months old (@ 7 months he hunts hard). Bob "Jr's" brother is a house dog that sits, stays and will give me a hand shake plus retrieve. Needless to say I have too much at risk to hunt him (kids and wife love him more than me).... I wish you lived closer and I would gladly share a great line with you...Later Brother

I use them out of his Weatherford Ben's son Yellow Jacket...The Jack line is very good on hogs, but some are a little too gritty and you have to teach them to back up early or they will be dead by a year old..My dogs are all in the 50-70 pound range, which is what I like..Really, when speaking of Weatherford's Ben dogs you are talking about 40 or so litters of dogs...They can come in many different packages and styles, depending on the females they were bred to.  I hunt with some guys that have used alot of them and pretty much culled all but the Jack line..Now, I want to be clear that I haven't owned anything but Jack dogs, so really can't speak about the others from personal experience...The jack dogs I have bred will start working very early....Never had one (out of 20 or so) that wouldn't bay a hog...Some of them make better find dogs than others, some get out pretty far, and some are short to medium range, and some are really gritty... Very athletic dogs that are high energy..

MY personal opinion of Randy Wright is that he had some awesome dogs in the early years, then he started breeding to everything and from what I have heard (only rumor, as I don't know him) he wasn't proving his dogs....In short, I would not buy a hog dog prospect from Randy Wright, as I have heard too many horror stories....However, there are plenty of people who got some of that stock back in that day that have jam up dogs...

The only thing I have bad to say about the Jack dogs is that some of them are a little more dog aggressive than I would like.  You have to be carful when breeding them or you will have to replace a bunch of dogs (if you hunt alot).   ;D ;D ;D ;D

 I have a 16 month old Bne dog I traded a cat gyp for when he was 10 months old from a boy who used him for cows. Bill got a little rough on the cows  so the guy wanted a little less agressive cat gyp of mine to use. Best trade I evere made. I showed him his first hog and he went in on the 200lb boar with intent to catch but was made to stand back and bay. Won Puppy bay at field trial at 10 months old. Next month was in on his first hog and got cut good but never let go. Since that day he has been on every hog we have caught since.  He came from John Algiers and South River Curs in Fayetteville NC but is out of Randall Wrights stock.. He is gritty and will catch small less agressive hogs and will try on rough hogs. I like the grit even though I know he will pay for it sooner or later. Here in the Mountains of Sc we need dogs to stop the hogs from running... Bill is medium to long range, excellent nose, totally silent on track and when the hog breaks, and is not dog agressive at all. best natured dog I have ever owned..  I wish I had a yard full him and I am working towards just that. Just had a litter of pups from him and my ladner gyp. Keeping two male pups an d sold the rest.
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I have a pair of foundation dogs and have hunted with others and I like the Rio Grande Blondie blood myself.
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jdt,  I would like to get my hands on a few myself, that would be a little closer. i have never owned one but aint heard nothin but good bout them. there was a feller called bout some pups i had the other day, said he knew somebody that had some weatherford ben pups for sale in NC, let me see if i can find his number and give him a call to find out where they are, and if there are any left.

I had some for sale but they were grade dogs. The sire is 37.5 percent Ben but he mother is a grade Ladner I have.  Sold everything befor they hit the ground. I did have a guy back out on a big male black faced pup but decided to keep it.

i have a 15 month old weatherford ben line male that is 56%.  if i remeber correct, yellow jacket is his grandsire.  he is the longest ranged dog we hunt.  we usually have to wait for him to come back before we go home.  i didnt start him till he was 1 yr old.  he hits the ground and is gone.  it aint nothing for him to stay anywhere from 400-800 yards out.  he has a ton of drive and is not gritty at all yet.  if we stop for any reason and he is around the truck, he rolls out again.  if you want to go home at that time, you better catch him or he will be gone again.  he is going to be the kind of dog that makes a short night long.  im very happy with him and he is also a dang good looking dog.  texasj wants to steal him from me.  my next dog will be from the ben line.
when i started him, he bayed every cow and javelina we came across.  i never shocked him or beat him when he trashed.  he broke himself.  now he can run through cows without making a sound. 

Bill started as a cow dog and just got to rough thats when I got him. I try not to hunt around cows but have not tried to break him.

good luck breaking him, mine was hard headed... purt near wore out a shock collar on him... nothin worked for me... I like the line, but they are rough

Wouldnt take nothing for him justb the way he hunts now...I will just stay clear of the bulls.

This is Sambo. He is a 4 year old Foundation Cur.  Picked him up about 4 or 5 months ago, and he is by far our best dog.  He weighs about 65-70 pounds.  His range varies with the terrain and the dogs you run him with; he typically makes big loops getting out about 500-800 yards, but in the milo the GPS normally gives his distance in miles.  He is extremely catchy!  He is a great dog and I would like to have about 3 more of him. 
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pm yellow dog or email him at curdogcox@yahoo.com he has the tightest bred weatherford ben dogs you can get, even john wayne ross the gentleman you register your curs with is on his waiting list. he is as honest a man as there is has all the info you will ever want about them. I have hunted with his dogs a hand full of times only to be impressed every time.

I have a male that is a heavy ben breed dog.  He is gamey and usually hunts from 200-700 yards out.  If he hits any sign at all he's gone, like off the GPS gone in no time.  He's one of those dogs that you can cut loose and if he comes back after a while you can be confident there isn't a pig in the area.  He is a big male (70-75 lbs) and will try to catch out most of the time.  As a result, he takes a lot of shots, the vast majority of which are going to be in the chest.  He has been wearing a boar bib and that's helped out a bunch.  I'm told he was used a lead in catch dog at one point early in his life but would cur out on a big pig so that experiment was called off.  The key has been to pair him up with another big rough male.  Both are gonna try to catch out any way so having the other dog to take some of the heat off the other is a must.  

He is an extremely hard dog and it takes some FIRM feedback to make an impression on him.  He is what I would call a "one man dog" which I don't like but that only really shows up when he's in the box or on a chain.  In the field its not a problem.

I like him and would love to have a couple more just like him.  If any of you guys have a ben bred female and might want to breed I'd interested in talking about it. I'm not a breeder by any means but this is a dog worth breeding IMO.  

Edit: see texas curs post above for a pic of the dog I'm describing. 

Is that the same dog that Bryant had? If it is the gyp in the first pic on my post is his sister.

AW, that is bryant's old dog.  Sent you a msg.

Texas_Cur I like the looks of that Sambo dog. He looks almost like some of these Fla dogs, and sounds about as rough. I can't tell from the pic but is he long tail, half tail, or?

You said he is a Foundation Cur, you mean the W Ben YBM or something else?

Foundation is a breeders association...Foundation stock would be any dog from that association...Weatherford's Ben was the top stud dog for that assocaiation, but there were many good dogs that went into the founation so to speak...WB gets all the credit, but there were many good dogs involved..He is just the most well known...That is why I believe in looking for specific dogs in the WB line..

dgdawson,

      I agree. I think that WB for the dog world is like Doc Bar for the horse world...Studded out so much that you really do have to start looking at individuals within the line to have a better idea of what you're getting.

I agree thats why I like the Rio Grande Blondie bred dogs. I think my female is a hybrid outcross I could be wrong but I think Wrights Sam I Am has 0% Weatherford Ben and thats her sire I will look at her papers when I get home.

None of my Fla dogs are registered so I don't know much about the Cur registries...now AQHA records (performance horses) I know. I had cutting bred horses for 25+ years. Finally realized how much it was costing me so I got out of them! Almost all cutting bred horses have Doc Bar in them, but there were a few outcross sires like Freckles Playboy, Peppy San Badger, etc that had no Doc Bar.

I assume the YBM dogs would be the same way, lots would have W Ben in their pedigree but some wouldn't.

So is the Sambo dog W Ben bred? He looks different than the Ben dogs I have seen.

I know there are guys on here that know more about FBMC than I ever will but would appreciate it if you take alook at the papers on my Soggy Bottom Bill and tell me if you know anything about the dogs in his line. I am more into Catahoulas but am working a few BMC into my line ever since I laid hands on Bill and saw how awsome he was already. Thanks
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Sambo is WB bred, not sure which line, I am pretty sure he was bred by Mary in Louisiana (the bear dog lady)


Cracker, My analogy might have been missed with the Doc Bar comment... I agree that Doc Bar is in a TON of pedigrees, so people narrow it down more by a particular line  Doc O Lena, Dry Doc, Handlebar Doc, etc.  Some people say I have a Doc Bar bred,,, others narrow it saying, I have a Doc O Lena bred....  I think the same is now done with the WB bred dogs, yes they go back to WB, but there are "distinct" lines from his get.

The dog in the middle is a WB bred dog, Tater.  He came from Corry Flannery in Florida and is out of Ben's Buck and Flannery's Josie.  He is not a super dog at all but a decent dog.  He started naturally young and is the only pup I have never broke off of trash.  Showed a hog at 5 months old and he went to it like a duck to water.  Not gritty and will bay good and loose, shot a several many hogs over him.  I bred him to the gyp on the left and I feel he reproduced his self very well and 7 or 8 of the 9 pups she raised are all working good for their owners.
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Really, for me the specific WB line is/should be the offspring of WB...i tell people I have Yellow Jacket dogs...Once I see the expression on their face, I will go further if I need to....Not everyone has heard about the Jack line (Yellow Jacket), but most know about WB...

Speaking of Rio Grande Blonde, I have a friend who has a 75% Rio dog that he is breeding to a 75%Weatherford's Ben dog.....In addition, the other 25% of the Rio dog is WB too....So, will have puppies that are 50 %ben and 37.5% Rio...They will not be cheap..

I really like my gyp and I know of two Males close to me that are jam up dogs they are brothers and they are Rio bred. Someone told me that the Rio blood produced longer range dogs and I know she was a tree dog.I read they didn't breed her as much because there was not alot of need for tree dog traits in a cattle catching operation.

I paid pretty good money for a registered yellow dog bread from the original Weatherford Ben bloodline.  His name is Zane.  He is seven months old and wants to catch everything under 60lbs.  he has a beautiful bark.  We use pit bulls for catch dogs but Zane can stay up there with the other strike dogs until the catch dogs get there.  He is not scared, thats for sure.

Cracker,
     Thanks.  I noticed some similarities between Sambo and your Monkey dog too.  He has a long tail.  Some of the dogs that I can remember from his pedigree are: Weatherfords Ben, Rio Grande Blondie, Wrights Bounty Hunter, Wrights Texas Dally.  The sire is Wrights Sam I Am, and the dame is Wrights Silly Sally.

Here is Sambo doing what he does best
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This is a gyp I have out of Matt's big male Tater. She is a year old and hunting her but off.  She has WB blood in her and I would consider her the polar opposite of Sam on everything except that they are yellow.  She is extremely busy (kinda like a cur dog on crack).  She ranges out to about 400-500 yards.  She is a little gritty but for the most part prefers to bark at a hog.  If you want to talk about a dog that is not for sale this pot licker is one of em.
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I checked the papers and Sam I Am does not carry any WB blood. I think that makes the litter an outcross but I don't really know. My gyp was born bobtail.

AW,
     You are correct.  All of Weatherford blood that Sam has comes from his momma.  Sam I Am is Rio Grande Blondie Blood I believe, but I would have to look at the papers. 

If you are wondering about those dogs, they could have some of WB blood in them before WB was born if you know what I mean..some of those blondy dogs were around before WB.. Ben was out of Bauman's ben and bonnie....Bauman's Ben was out of Ben Jordans Henry dog...Henry came in part from a dog called blondie...There isn't any paperwork to look at, but Ben Jordan or Clue Anderson would probably know for sure...

Wright is the first one to paper some of those dogs, so can't trace them that way...WB was foundation # 80 I believe..I guess what I am trying to say is that most of these dogs are related blood wise if you go back far enough...

Texas_Cur I do like the looks of that Sambo dog but his head looks different than the W Ben dogs I have seen in person (at least in the pic).

The female you posted a pic of looks like all the W Ben dogs I have seen which is about a dozen total.

I have a buddy that has a W Ben female (the one that won't bite a hog). He had her spayed (never bred her) and doesn't hunt her anymore. I will see if I can dig up a pic of her and post it. She has almost no tail at all.

crackerc , i know of some " foundation " dogs down your way that look like crap . i think its from breeding too tight , i dont know , i ve only seen the picturese and i wont call any names . just like any other line / breed , there are good ones , and then some that have been watered down .   there is a difference between people that use them , and people that sell pups !

This a is a female pup I got from Yellow Dog, she is 37.5 % Weatherford Ben.
This is her at 3 months old.
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Bob is a friend of mine in our network...Is that a Tank pup?

Yes, that is one of Tanks pups.

  I understand that every pup out of line cannot be an ace in the woods.  However, look at the consistency on the Wright Curs???  There is a huge percentage of them that make good dogs.  To me that is pretty impressive.  If there was ever anyone that bought a dog from Mr. Wright and was not satisfied he would replace them or give you your money back in a heart beat.  If you don't beleive me just call him.  Also he will not just register anything.  I personally think that is great.  It is clearly not about money to him.  He is totally committed to the breed and the registry.  Also to bettering his dogs and so on.  He is the kinda guy that will tell you exactly how it is and some folks don't take that well.  Me I like it!  I don't like wondering where I stand with someone.  I would encourage anyone that has not personally talked with Randy to do so.  I feel you would walk away with a lot different of an objective, rather than just going off of hearsay.
 Here is a prime example:
   He has some awesome stud dogs and he referred me to another man with a dog that he felt would better suit my needs.  He didn't care about getting a huge stud fee from me.  He wanted me to make an awesome cross that blow the socks off people.  To me that is clearly caring about the breed and making something even better.  The female in question is Wrights Senorita (the mother of Sage and Pistolero) now you can't tell me that he just didn't want to breed to her:)  Alot of breeders on that caliber of a female would have been chomping at the bit.  However, Randy wanted to do what he felt was best for me and he has absolutely nothing to gain.
 It's sounds like I am a Randy Wright fan!  Well your right I am.  Anyone that has his passion about this breed, never comprimises quality and would rather do the right thing than line his own pockets.   To me that is a man that deserves respect and the decency of a phone call with questions.  Instead of surmizing what doesn't work thru hearsay.
  Also these dogs are bred to be rougher than your average dog.  Where I hunt you need that.  You just don't run a lot of rough dogs together.  That's when you run into trin wrecks.  Those that have hunted a while know what I mean.  I'm just one of those guys that likes to get it done and move on to the next hog ;D  I am not trying to call anyone out on anything I have said.  I just felt I had to state the facts of what I know to be true.  I would do the same for anyone.
 Thanks for reading this long posts and omitting my horrible spelling:)       

I agree 100% with Gilbert.  I recently purchased two pups from David Thoms who is close friend to Randy. While talking to him and visiting his place he to is a man who wants to better the breed instead of lining his pockets and ALWAYS give a 1 yr guarantee on each pup to work on what you put it to work on...(cow, hog, etc) Extremely nice man.  If it does not work bring it back get another or get your money back.  He also states that any female he sells is worthy to be bred to any male dog and will discuss what you are wanting to accomplish in the breeding and suggest to right male on his yard or send you to the male he thinks will suit you best.  Always straight up and honest.  There is alot of truth behind Gilberts comment about Randy producing so many dogs that become good hard working dogs.  You are always going to get a bad one in every bunch.  Sorry for the ones that had that dog and did not get to hunt behind a really good Wrights Cur.  Just my 2 cents.

sounds like a good feller, id like to meet him one day and get another male pup from him, had one I got a while back and was making a dam good dog... he was way too rough tho and didnt make a year old... got a gyp showing lots of promise thats suppose to be ben bred but no papers so never will no if she is or not

jdt,

Maybe those are some of the W Ben dogs I have hunted with because they sure were not gritty as the guys on this board say theirs are. Maybe they sent the least gritty dogs to Fla because we already had the Fla curs and they figured we didn't need more bite........ ;D

Honestly though guys, I am not trying to bad mouth the W Ben dogs, I went hunting with the ones down here HOPING they would be what I liked. None of the dozen or so I have hunted with in Fla, satisfied me.

Here is a pic of my buddies W Ben female. He told me what percentage she was but I don't remember.  She was younger in this pic, is older and spayed now. She had plenty of go, but no bite at all. And almost no tail.

If anyone in Fla has a W Ben dog that wil hunt by himself, find, stop and bay a hog by himself, until you get there, and help catch with a catchdog, let me know I would like to come hunt with him. Maybe then I will have a different opinion of them.

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  I guess the thing that I don't understand is Randy has never sold 11 dogs to a guy in Florida.  Not at one time or even spaced out.  The dogs in question, are dogs not only that he didn't breed but has never owned.  As I understood it was said earlier on that these dogs came from Randy.  If that's so and memory serves me correctly, that is a lie. 

The guys name that bought the 11 dogs from Randy Wright was named Marty Stephens from Tampa, Fla. This was back in about the year 2000 or 2001 if I remember right. I can't remember all the dogs names but one was named Uno and the only one I saw bay a hog was named Wylie. He also had a female named Silver he brought back. Marty brought the dogs 1-2 at a time and we hunted them (or tried to) on the ranch I managed. According to Marty these dogs came directly from Randy Wright and I think the Uno dog was a direct son of W Ben. He was an older dog and the only one Marty didn't want to hunt as he wanted him for breeding purposes.

I also remember Marty bringing a few horses back from Tx on that trip.  Don't know where he got the horses.

  Randy sent me a email and the dogs registered in Martys name all came from others not Randy.  I have the names of the dogs and exactly where they came from.  Mr. Stephens has not bought a dog from Randy.  I will go back to that email and confirm everything.

Then I was lied to as I was told these dogs came directly from Randy Wright. I had no reason to suspect Marty had lied to me as he drove out to Tx just to buy W Ben dogs.

I think I still have a number for Marty around somewhere, I may call him up and ask him where he got those dogs.....be interesting to see what he tells me.

  Here are the facts!  I looked back and he did buy one dog from Randy Wright.   Wright's Sonny Reata was the only dog bought from Randy and she was a bred female, when he bought her.  The other dogs were bought from other breeders and I do have their names and the dogs names.  Not sure if I am allowed to list them on here though.???  Marty had one dog that went back to Weathorford Ben and it only went back to him once.  I will lists the dogs names for proof as I don't feel I can get into trouble for that.  I'll go check it out and repost. 

Here you go: Isaacs Bull P832 bred by Keith in Rusk TX,  Stephens Sugar bred by Sam Piper, Stephens Sassy P922 bred by TLS Curs, Stephens Yellow Jake P922 (in the female he bought bred), Wright's Texas Ginny bought from Danny Jack in Georgia and the other dogs came from Ron Bass in Florida.
  The only dog he bought from Randy was the Reata female and Randy got her back from him.  All I am saying is you were misinformed and it's wrong for this all to be on Randy.  How would you like it if you saw a post like this and it wasn't true?  Here are the facts in black and white.  I'm not anything against you or anything it's just that hearssay mess can hurt some innocent people.  I personally will not post something unless it is 100% the truth.       
               

Im pretty sure the Uno dog came from Lamon Silva i believe thats his name. I was trying to buy the dog years back, told me he sent him and numerous other dogs to Florida.

I don't think anyone was talking bad about Randy, just showing that not all the dogs are as good at producing as some..When you sell that many dogs, not all of them are going to be the best...You can't produce all great dogs, and if you could we would all have them...

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  Hey Dawson,
      I agree with you and have said before that everyone of them can't be aces.  I just hit on the point that a majority of them are pretty good dogs.  The only reason I stuck my nose in the comments about the 11 dogs was because that was some misinformed stuff.  I felt it only right to point out that the 11 dogs from Randy with only 1 of them panning out was not true.  I'm not saying that Cracker made that up I just felt it important to point out.  It just sounds aweful and is even more awweful that it's not true.  Put yourself in his shoes.  If that was said and not true.  I bet you would be a little upset.  

  Nice pics Esteban!!

THIS IS MY WEATHERFORD BEN FOUNDATION BMC, ''ROCKET''  YELLOW JACKET BLOODLINE IS HIGH ON THIS DOG, HE IS A VERY GOOD DOG THAT HAS BEEN HUNTED SINCE HE WAS 7 MONTHS OLD! I AM VERY SATISFIED WITH MY DOGS ! I WILL PUT MY HANDS IN THE FIRE FOR MR. WRIGHTS DOGS!!

THANKS GILBERT!

Then I stand corrected. All I know is what I was told at the time. I know Marty talked to Randy Wright several times prior to him going to Tx as I heard some of the phone conversations.

Marty wanted some of the W Ben dogs and that was the source. Now Randy may have sent him to these other guys if he didn't have what Marty wanted. But thats not what I was told.

I DO know that the YBM dogs Marty brought back were not very good dogs in my opinion. I don't care if they came from Randy Wright or Santa Claus. We hunted the Wylie dog on a private ranch full of hogs for weeks before he finally bayed  a hog by himself. Meanwhile other dogs were baying hogs every trip on the same property. When he finally did bay it was a 150 lb or so boar hog. The hog ran him, cut him in one place, and as we were going in to catch the hog with my Rock dog, Wylie quit the hog and passed us on the cow trail going to the truck. We caught the hog with Rock, with no bay dog. And the other dogs we hunted that Marty brought back never bayed a hog while I was hunting with them....ever.

Again, I will ask if anyone close to me has a W Ben dog they think is a top dog, let me know I want to hunt with him. I have never been to Tx and don't see myself headed that way anytime soon, so I won't be hunting with any dogs out there. But, I want to see the dog hunt by himself, that way you can tell what dog is finding the hogs. If he is a good dog I will be the first to admit it.  I WANT to see a good one hunt, just hasn't happened yet.

I don't see the Uno dog mentioned in your post (or Wylie or the Silver dog), I am pretty sure Uno was a son of W Ben. Where did that dog come from?

I just saw the other post where Johnie said the Uno dog came from Lamon Silva. Seems that name rings a bell, wasn't he and Randy partners on dogs or something at one time?

I have 2 W. Ben dogs  that are Heavy in the Bounty Hunter line. I got mine from David Thoms. If I get more dogs I will go back to the Ben dogs, no matter what line it is. They are proven. JT

My Gyp 14 Months (Bounty Hunter)
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My Male 12 months (Bounty Hunter/Conns Randy)
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Really good looking yellow dogs.


   Gilbert,
  So you are the one who got that dog months back. How are the pups doing?

Scott sold the pups.  I have Senorita and a female pup.  Great looking BMC's can't wait to get this pup going.  I will never hunt Senorita as she is already proven (producing Pistolero and Sage).  She is a direct daughter of Randys Conn and when I do breed her will go back to a (Randys Conn X Hell Cat) male.

 I may be wrong, but from what I was told she was never worked much. Just a proven brood dog. Good luck with the pup. Are you going to work woods or pen?

My male dog Soggy Bottom Bill is heavy on Conns Randy and Bounty Hunter with Hellcat in there as well

So you bought this dog just to breed?  Are you the guy who called Bob Cox about breeding to Tank (75% WB)?  

Looks like someone needs to think about feet and legs in future breedings.

  I will use them for the woods and set some aside for cattle.  I don't know Mr. Cox you maybe thinking of Scott.  I am also not sure if she had been worked or not.  I just know as far as a producer I felt I needed her.  She produced Sage and Pistolero as well as some other really good dogs.  Seems when you line that Randy's Con up good things happen.  I figured with her being bred to two different stud dogs and getting two awesome dogs like that, with other pups also doing good.  Well you get the picture.  I feel she has nothing left to prove and would not want to take a chance getting her killed.  Those dogs bred like her are not the cheapest things around.