EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I have been noticing a few people selling RCDs but they say they will bay a hog if its big , or when by there self ........that's not a running catch dog to me , a catch dog to me has no bay in it only catch ..... An I missing something ?

I agree totally, me and a buddy had this arguement once before, he was saying he knew a guy that had one, he says he would catch sometimes and bay by hisself. I say if a dog will bay and he catches that he is a rough dog, whether he hunts or not is what makes him a rough dog worth keeping. My opinion I'd rather not have a rcd, our dogs are rough and will catch as soon as anything else does and the chances of getting a good dog killed increase the longer they are caught.

Nope ur not missing nothing. They are calling rough catchy bay dogs RCD's. I have seen my RCD bay 2x. Once on a sounder and I think it confused him. Once they broke he caught. Second was on a 200+ hog in a briar pach with just it nose stuck out. Would bay then hit it on the nose trying to get it out the briars. Once it stuck out its head he caught.

  so an rcd is supposed to be suicidal ? 

I don't call it suicidal. But they shouldn't back up cause its not a shoat. Mine has enough sense to catch ear but he won't back up from a 300 pound hog either. If ur lead in catch dog wouldn't catch anything over 150 would u call him a catch dog. I don't use a bull dog at all. My bay dogs will stretch a 150 pounder without my RCD. Anything bigger they will wait for him. If he gets to a big hog first he will catch the rest pile on. He will find his own hog also. To me a RCD is no different than a Lead in other than he is on the ground the whole time hunting.

Deffinitions according to this redneck:

CD- led in or dropped close to the bay to catch the hog, no matter the size

RCD- runs with bay dogs and catches as soon as the hog is stopped, no matter the size.....

Running CATCH DOG, It is a catch dog, if it bays it gets culled...A rough dog may backup and bay a hog, but a CATCH DOG of any kind, better catch.

Ultimately... :D the ultimate hog dog for me will be very catchy but smart about it...the few RCD's I have seen I didn't really like...they have been mt curxpit crosses...hunt, catch, no bark...no noise and no help...they are prone to heat exhaustion and other perils...

R = running
C = catch
D = dog 

Which means he runs around and catches the hog lol
Perfect definition of a RUNNING CATCH DOG

Catch dogs don't bay... period.

The ones that do will end up leaving you in a bind or getting you hurt  ;)

I oughta know, I don't mind using junky bulldogs and have used one or two that have got me in some binds.

AMEN

Full catch yes sucidial no.  They had better catch but I like a smart cd so if they dont run in and catch blinde that is great with me I would like them to think how the best way to catch.  Yes it is possiable in a cd rcd but they are few.  Anything less than full catch is a rough dog.  I have run a rough dog as a cd as a back up.  I think a lot of guys rcds are rough if they were by them selves but in a pack with another dog they catch my and a couple of my dogs included but they catch hogs lol.  My view is starting to change a little in that a rcd runs with a pack and catches but alone he is a rough dog. To me a holder finder one out dog is a pure catch dog that will do it all if need be or be a "rcd"  hope I made since with this post it makes since to me right now anyways.

well I see what ya'll are saying , so yes and rcd is supposed to be suicidal . my original pack I considered rcd's I never went to a bay I went to gruntin and squealing . except on a few hogs that wrecked the whole pack before I heard the first bark ..   they caught anything first and could handle most but did get whooped off a few and back up and bay . but them was some kinda bad hogs that would put me out of hunting for a couple weeks .   so I just had ruff dogs .  that was the first seven years of hunting and then I got's me my first bulldog because the pack was getting some age on it and I thought it couldn't hurt them to have a little help .

RCD-No back up n the real ones.

So what is the title of a catch dog that would find their own hog n catch, rcd or what? A pit i had would not run with the other dogs all the time, but if she got wind of a hog, she would catch, but again, didnt run all the time. I couldnt lead her, it would b draggin her, so i wouldnt put a lead on her n just let her run loose

That's what I'm talkin about ,
I was just making sure I was understanding what others call a RCD
An it was the same as I thought

You can call a Toyota a truck. But when you put a load in the bed it can't go nowhere. I know some people will argue and that is my point. I don't call a Toyota a truck and I don't call a dog that will sit back and bay a RCD. You can call what you wnat whatever you want. But to me a RCD runs loose and will run right in and catch and I don't care what hog it finds. I have seen what I cal a running catch dog chase down and catch a hog without any help. There was not any barking or help and that is what I would call a RCD. But I would drive a Toyota and I ain't saying anybody else should not call them a truck. But there are better noses and better runners so if a catch dogs starts baying I would find another dog to hunt with.

  so we talking bulldogs now or still talking cur dogs ?   seems like we went from rcd's to catch dogs  .  so when a pack of rcd's meet that hog that puts a whooping on them , and i'm talking cut down and desperate they shouldn't have enough brains to [ not quit ] the hog but smart enough to back up a bit and continue baying and looking for the next opportunity to catch . you know regroup so to speak  .

A running catch dog in my mind should not bark at a hog if he does then he is  just a ruff bay dog waiting on a opening .  Also in my experience if he is barking and waiting to catch he is gonna let go sooner are later when the chit gets real real deep,  in other words the way I see it if he aint got the wavles to straight out catch and waits and barks then catches he aint got the wavles to really hang on when its gets really bad and might end up in a bind are get yourself hurt sooner are later.  In other words that barking at first is telling me something its telling me he aint real sure and if that's the case am not real sure he is gonna be there when I need him the most . 

i didnt even know a catchdog could bark :)

  my catchdog doesn't , my cur dogs do  lol  and there was no bark till they had been cut down . then they had since enough to bay  the hog till the next opportunity to catch again . I wont own a stupid dog  lol  so i'll just stick with rough curs that have a little brain   lol . they didn't get as old as they were by being suicidal  . but these were purebred Catahoula's and not some crossed up bulldogs . I think if I had put some bulldog in this line I would be bringing home more empty collars when they met the uncatchables   lol

A "catchdog" should never bark period no matter what, I agree with that and one that does won't ever live at my house.
But what if you had what you considered a "running catch dog" that has helped you catch a Lot of bad hogs and had stopped a lot of races for you after you sent him in. And I don't mean a lead in catchdog- bulldog...What if he got way off from you and it took you awhile to get there and when you did he was cut down , overheated, bleeding out and was baying? What if instead of him being stupid and staying hooked up on the hog and dying for sure, he instead was smart enough to bay and live? What would you do? What would you do if there was nobody there but you and you didn't have to try to impress anybody and worry about being a big, bad, tough guy and saying you aint gonna have a dog that will bay if it gets bad?

Like it chain...but you know better than that.

A lot of these boys are Rambo, Chuck Norris and Arrrnold all rolled into 1.
There ain't a hog bad enough out there that they wouldn't take on with their strike dog and 1 lead in, much less a bunch of RCD's.  >:D

Rough Cur Dog(This is my interpretation of this new RCD term) We sometimes substitute "Rank" for Rough back home. Three good stockbred, rough curs should be able to assist a man in "catching" whatever stock needs to be found and "caught". They also had better know when to bark , when to catch, and when to get out ;)

Chainrated,  there is always good sound exceptions atleast to me there is.  I think were the problem lies is were are not the humans hunters have the experience, good common sense to see to know and make good sound judgements .   That's a great point you made.   I have seen many a times and not just in the cur dogs but in the bulldogs were the dogs made the owner, not the owner made the dog and were the dog was way smarter than the man that owned him. A man that cannot and is incapable of making sound judgement calls to no fault of his own just genetics is a man that is not going to get very far in his endeavors!  Some people just cannot and all the training in the world cannot help them and then some are blessed and just born with it and only a fortunate few learn it !

TexasHogDogs, I don't know you but from that one statement I know you have raised few dogs.  :)

Running catch dogs won't live long...I would rather just use a walk in...but a very rough dog that will make one stop and then keeping the hog stopped is all I want...if the dog barks while cooling off is even better...I have already had a pack that caught and wore a hog down and would back off and bay when tired...and catch again if it tried to break...but I want a little more gritt and a running vest will be the norm...smart very catchy dogs that hunt and will take a track will be my next goal...might have to tweak some...hopefully the ones that can adapt will reproduce a few litters...

most of the time i hunt hog spots that are full of hogs so are catch dogs getting let go at the woods!  my hunting budy pit's get's let go at the truck. but i still wouldn't call them a rcd! what are they to y'all?

I've never hunted rcds and probably never will but I'm kinda curious about them. Do you just let em run loose from the start or wait till other dogs bay then cut em loose? What do you expect as far as bottom? Sometimes it takes me 30 minutes or longer to get to a bay.. if it took that long and a dog had to be caught the whole time I cant imagine him living long.

you can turn them out with the strike dogs or turn them in when they strike or turn them in as a fresh dog after a good run...

Mine is on the ground hunting every minute any of my dogs are. He can and will cover ground if necessary. I run a rough pack with him so when he catches he has back up till I get there. I don't let my dogs get much further than 500 yards before I start closing gaps and looking for ways to the bay. It's not a wait for the bay game running a RCD. It's a stay close when they show bayed get to stepping.

Sounds like just rough dogs to me! To me there are loose dogs, rough dogs, and a catchdog for those few times when the rough dogs can't catch a bad one!

I sure wish I had a running catch dog. Lol

I wish u did to. Then u could give me that no good rough as a cob bay dog.

You wouldn't like that pot licker all he wants is to be scratched behind the ears. He's such a wuss he would never catch a hog. I should just give him to you!! If you come get him in the next 5 minutes you can have him. If you're not here in 5 the deal is off.

I see how ya are. Give a man an impossible task. U better be carefully with that tho cause as many that know me know there is no telling where and when I may pop up.

So does that mean strike dogs that'll strike their own hog & bay a big ole boar until help arrives and then catch but on a smaller size hog straight catch, is that considered a rough dog or a RCD? Seen lot more catahoulas be jam up rough as a cob strike dogs but will catch their own hog. What would you consider that?

I tend to disagree about RCD's not living long, I hunt from time to time behind a friends RCD that'll catch a 350 just as hard as he'd catch a 75 pound hog. He's 8 or 9 years old & has been the go to RCD since he was a year and a half
Or so. I understand what you're saying though.

IF u have ruff bay dogs or gritty bay dogs that will help catch with your rcds then u have a controlled hog from cuting up dogs .. if your worried about your rcd an bay dogs getting cut use a vest an cut collars!

Mud dog that is the way I do it. RCD with atleast 3 rough bay dogs that catch when he does. My RCD wears a vest and collar. All my bay dogs I run collars on. Kane's vest has lots of cuts in it. He has one scar. One of my bay dogs got a cut a while back. Another got a scratch a few weeks back. If u are gonna run a rough dog I figure ur better off with them all rough.

Shotgun what kind of dog is your RCD?

Ridgeback x pit.(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/08/15/3a5udage.jpg)

That is bad to the bone!

Thank you. He is my best dog. If a hog don't kill him he will eat at my house till he dies. He is just an all round good dog.

Love the cross shotgun noce looking dog

Thank you.

You can send him this way

Hey shotgun , does he get hot in that vest?
If you ever decide to get a diffebt vest try the pigga frigga vest the dog can run in them an don't get to hot an they are some well made vest ,

Good looking dog either way

He don't get to hot. Only time I saw him get very hot he was caught for 45min while we were trying to get to him and the temps had got into the upper 80's and sunny. I try not to run in daytime when the temps get up. but night hunting in the mid 80's he has never slowed down. When I replace that vest I am leaning toward the southern style vest. Only a touch heavier and its an open back design instead of closed.

98 u can't have him. Him and rooster would make a pair tho.

had one like you described culled him. i dont need a cd beacuse i use real ruff dogs i have a rcd that runs with my curs and will find her own hog and catch. the one i culled bayed as a puppy and i talked o the guy that got him said he doesnt bay any more is hiting ear and finding own hogs.

U should have kept it from your other story I just read