EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

IS THERE A DIFFERENCE? IF SO, WHAT IS IT? ALL OUR DOGS STRIKE AND BAY. JUST SEE THEM REFERENCED BOTH WAYS, SO I'M CURIOUS. THANKS

To me they are 1 in the same but deffinitions on this site vary so you will get different answers across the board.

they strike the hog then bay the hog

Bay dog - doesn't strike on a regular basis, not a RCD, not a CD......

What does that leave?  ;D Come on...Come on.... >:D

CULL  :P

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once I saw a 10000 dollar "bay" dog that was awesome and a top contender at uncle earls the first or second year when they started up...but that dog couldn't sniff out his own butt if his life depended on it much less "strike" a hog in the woods...  ;D

He's worth every penny to if you are in the bay pen scene and he can win you your money back.  In the woods he's worth less then what it takes to cull him.

When a hound opens on a track he has struck if he is good at it and can make it go he is a strike dog. Cur dogs "Find" making a good one a Find dog they both bay game on the ground making them baydogs. Old Fashioned Lingo 101.

When I was coming up a lead dog was the one that would lead the race. He might not be the strike dog (jump dog) but he always ended up out front. This was in hounds.

a "STRIKE DOG" is a dog that hunts, strikes, and bays hogs...

+1.  If he don't do all three of these things at a high level, he ain't a strike dog in my opinion.

Boy the money I could make selling dogs to poachers that will find hogs but not bay...  ;D

All this new age terminology cracks me up.  I was with a buddy one day that has been running dogs for a couple years now and I introduced him to a real good friend of mine who has been running dogs for i guess about 30+ years now.  The younger age friend was looking around at the older age friend's dogs (must have been around 20 or more head). The younger age friend notices that there were no bulldogs.  After taking a look at the dogs he asks the older friend which of these are your strike dogs?  The older friends pauses and I could hear what he was thinking, he didnt have to say a word.  After he paused for a second he says....everyone of them dogs. 

What I am getting to is, back in the day there wasnt all these different terms that were associated with dogs.  Everydog that was being fed was a hogdog and they had better find a hog and bay it or they didnt last long (I mean being fed).  There have always been some dogs that were colder nosed and maybe used to start a track, but every other dog had better be hunting and trying to start the track.

If you ask me or observe my dogs, everyone of them (besides the bulldog) better get out and hunt and find thier own hog.  Each dog better bay and stay with a runner and they must have a certain amount of grit want want to when it comes to trying to catch. 

So to get to the answer, i would say they are one in the same, but if they are not, I aint going to feed a dog that will just bay. 

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in my opinion, strike dogs and bay dogs are two completely different descriptions.
there are bay dogs that don't strike, and strike dogs that don't bay.
it's that cut and dried to me.
a good specimen does both.
i've also owned a few nice "striking" catch dogs. (which would be an example of a strike dog that don't bay)
in the end you can callem all what you want. they either fit your program or they don't. all the adjectives in the world won't change that.

Owl I had not heard that one before.

There will be a Striking Catch Dog for sale in the dog trade later tonight.  LOL

I have seen striking catch dogs before. I have a friend that has a game bred pit that will find his own hog. One night we had got done working for the night on the farm we stopped at the gate to lock it on the way out. Well we got out to lock the gate and the dog bailed out the truck and went about 50 yards and caught a 125# sow. I have also seen this dog hunt till it found a hog. Granted he don't range real far but he can trail up a pig. My own RCD can and will find his own and catch.

On the subject tho strike dogs find hogs.
Bay dogs bay hogs. Both should do either but sometimes they don't. I don't want a strike dog that won't finish and a bay dog is only ok if it's still trying to learn to find one.

I've seen plenty of bulldogs that have and can find a hog, but I don't go calling them striking catch dogs.  To me, you have dogs and bulldogs...plain and simple.  Dogs find hogs, bay hogs and may catch hogs.  Bulldogs catch hog.

1 + 1 = 2

bulldogs aren't the only dogs that catch.
i have had airdales, curs, stag crosses, and have seen bird dogs, and hound crosses that will all range out, hunt for, and strike a hog and have never ever bayed. if a dog consistantly strikes hogs, you can call him a strike dog, wether or not he bays or catches. just because a dog is a strike dog, doesn't mean he is a bay dog.

In my opinion a strike dog bay dog better be the same. If my bay dog won't strike he's not gonna eat at my house

X2 my ridgeback pit will hunt 300 to 400 yards and finds his own hogs. He runs step for step with my hound crosses and does not bay. If he is finding hogs he is a strike dog. My other dogs can find a hog also so he doesn't start every hog. I would call him my top dog tho.

let me rephrase-- a catch dog is a catchdog...stag, poodle, whatever got that works.  You can dress up a lot of things and make them look different, but call them what they are.  My opinion is still hunting dogs and catchdogs.    Would someone that has one of these strike dogs that wont bay please expand on how this dog is used and what is the purpose?  Does anyone have a strike dog that is a cur dog that wont bay?

i've got two...
the case is a little different. i use them on cattle. i expect them to hunt, find, and catch just like i expect my bay dogs to hunt, find, and bay.

to strike is to discover-verb

what happens after that can vary :)

Jon I think there are quite a few curs out there that can strike but they will try and catch before they bark.

Some I would consider true CD's....most...bay busters.

I have a friend that has A couple of dogs that he casts, usually one at a time. He has other dogs thathe turns in to them when they locate. Because of the way he has hunted these dogs on a regular basis, they have pretty much learned their  rolls. He calls them strike dog or bay dog. What they are called by him is all in accordance to what his primary use for them is. His strike dog will bay but his first and main job is to find. Same with the bay dogs, they mainly there to bay. It don't mean they couldn't find a hog, but that's not the job he has them there for. Not the way most of us like to hunt but it must work for him. That's what I see as the difference in "bay dog" or "strike dog".