EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

What r some of the better knives that yall use to stick pigs with?  ???

Nylon rope ;D

the best knife ive ever used was a cold steel boar hunter
heres a link http://www.coldsteel.com/boarhunter.html
just copy it into your browser if you cant click it.

If I must use a knife, I like the Buck 119. 

I have Kabar, Gerber, Schrade,  Sigman, Randall, Lile, Bone - Still like the Buck 119 the best for hog hunting, for two reasons. It penetrates easily, and I can replace it at any Walmart or Academy. Some of my other knives I am not willing to risk losing in the woods.

I like my knives I build.  Nothing like sticking a hog with a knife you build your self

I got a case pocket knife in case i have to cut one... not very often i kill one(mayb 1 a year)

Bought rope-found rope -free rope- business rope - cut up larriet rope -mule tape- if all else fails shoe string! Thats what I killem with!

What is the best way to start off to build a knife and what supplies will I need?

I've got a Ka bar knockoff made by Frost.  The knife works fine, but the sheath that came with it sucked bad.  made of hard plastic with nothing to keep the knife still inside it.  the knife rattled around inside it constantly.  bought a different sheath that's much better. for the price I paid for the knife and the sheath I could have just got a real ka bar,  or a couple buck 119's

Your barking up the wronge tree for me to try and tell you how to go about it.  Your best bet is to search on the net.  I have been trying for about 10 years and just now getting where I am decent.  LOTS of trial and LOTS of error for me to just get where I think I am decent.

Sounds like some people have a problem with sticking pigs.  Besides training what do you do with live pigs it's not like we are running out?

Im in the same group as you lol

something about a half a dozen dogs catching a hog then jobbin it with a 15in bowie knife does not seem sportsman like to me...if i cant catch them live i will try again another day... but a knife is a knife it dont matter what brand or anything else as long as its not a folding knife... you will loose a few fingers quick :D you do need one with a clip point blade, its not gonna stay very sharp jobbin it in hogs so i dont think a high dollar knife to stick hogs is necessary. JMO!!

if i use a knife it is the moore maker i carry on my hip

No jus joking around don't have anything against people who stick hogs!! And if you hunt behind my dog there ain't many hogs left they swipe'um clean still jus jokeing.... I just don't like to kill what I can't eat and if I tie it I have alot more option of what I can do with it!! ;)

I agree that a knife doesn't need to be expensive to be used for stickin hogs.   might even be better that way, in case you loose it.  ;D

there is plenty profit to be made with live hogs ;) My dogs pay for their own feed or they dont eat!!! plenty people would like to eat them too, killing ANY wildlife for sport and not eating it is not how i was brought up. Who is gonna eat a hog that has been in the truck bed dead all day while your still huntin in 100 degree weather??? or who is gonna eat a big boar? Barr him and catch him again when you want to eat him!!! hog hunting is a great sport, I been doing it a long time, seems like the newer generation of hog hunting since it has become more popular is more into the thrill of killing a hog with their bare hands than enjoying it for what it has been for generations. And im not a old man im 30 yrs old. Just my 2 cents worth ;D

I think a lot of East Texas folks that only tie don't realize that most places outside side of here, mainly farm and ranch land, the landowners want the hogs dead... period.

You get caught with a live hog and you don't come back.

We tie most of our hogs also, but we also hunt places where it's stick and move on.

We hunt almost all crop lands. A barr does the same amount of damage as a boar. I dont consider hogs to be wildlife. they are a feral species.

Mike I understand just messing around...I perfer to just tie'em! ;)

So do I... just gotta do what we gotta do. ;)

Dont get me wrong, we tie a bunch too. but just cant release any around here.

We have lots of lease of large tracks of lands that wants the hogs so we can barr them on those lands!

Ya mike no harm intended... there are lots of places that insist it be that way... some of the best places i no are that way :laugh: believe it or not i dont hunt them either... its against my upbringing and belief... I dont hunt just to kill, period... my paw-in-law has a 5000 acre rice farm in winnie and he hates them hogs, they tear up his fields... Its a a$$ chewing everytime i pull out with a cow trailer loaded up... ask anybody that hunts down there with me ;D Everybody has their own way, none right or none wrong... just was not the way i was raised :angel: and mule man they are wildlife... and you will wish you had not stuck them all when we run out of hogs to hunt ;D I would not dare turn a hog... boar, bar, or sow back loose in an aggricultural area, but I do relocate them to where they are not a nuisance.

We have only crop land around here like I said. And if you can figgure out a way to kill em all off, you will be doing better than all of the wildlife biologists that have been hired to do just that. Just like the coyotes, a biologist told me recently they estimate that there were over 500,000 coyotes killed in texas alone last year and the population increased. We caused the hog problem, not nature=not wildlife. my opinion

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 I like to kill them. I eat a few, my dogs eat a few. The buzzards get the rest. Pork is on sale for 1/lb at HEB, you cant beat that.

This is a knife thread SORRY for the highjack get back on coarse!!  :)

people stopped barring them and started a hog problem ;D You say that we cant kill them all off... and its likely your rite... but what about when them biologist find a way to erradicate them... and they will, a way of life will be gone... they brought in helicopters to my father in laws fields, killed 90+ hogs in two hours... you ever seen a pile of hogs that big?  their decaying boddies killed as much rice as the hogs did nearly... with people whinning about all the hogs and about the cruelty to animals and all that, Its a matter of time till its all over folks. Surely you dont believe the state will just be over run by wild hogs and nobody step in and stop it. Enjoy it while you can ;D

your rite cward, it got jacked... sorry >:( I think a feller can not go wrong with a case or an eyebrand knife ;)

the hogs that go to the processor are just as dead as the ones that dont. I have no doubt that the govt will figure out a way to control the hogs. if we dont lose our rights to hunt them first (thats what i think will happen) BUT I use a Hen and rooster fixed blade when I stick mine!! got it from bass pro. it holds an edge great!! ;)

Very true muleman... I have a hen and rooster knife too and it is a good knife... not sure of its origin but the steel is solingen and them germans make dam fine steel

OORAAAH K-Bar, all the way.

As far as barring goes, I am slowly becoming a fan. They sure turn out to be some nice hogs when you catch them on down the road, just like it was stated though, you gotta be carefull about it.

We traded a pup a few months ago for a Moore Maker knife and I must say I was impressed with it. If you can find one of the proper blade design, that would be a good choice. I have been looking at a Gerber Mk. II for a while, but don't want to plop the money down. I think that it would be AWESOME:
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Forgot to mention, that I too, am currently carrying a Buck 119.

Fellas if our dogs got off course as much as we can, we'd sure be in some bad shape ;D

 I heard the best steel to use to make a knife blade is from a leaf spring.  Something about it being real hadr steel.

I hate to leave any hog alive, i just think that could be the hog that ends up killing your best dog a year or two down the road.

Here is two that my dad has made me

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1. Something to cut out the general shape of blade you want, cutting torch, plasma cutter, my dad uses a concrete saw.
2. angle grinder to finish getting the shape.
3. 4x21 belt sander, grind the edge on it.
4. Drill press to put holes in for rivets, or you can skip that part and use epoxy to attach the handle.
5. Buffing wheel to shine the blade.
6. coarse, medium, and fine sharpening stone.

That should be all that you need to get started for practicing, if you really get into it and start getting good then there will be more to it like heat treating, and better sanders for hollow grinidng the blade.
All the supplies like steell, handle material and riverts go to texasknife.com

If anyone has any questions feel free to ask

Don't kill myself unless we are on the WMA were we have to kill them. I have a 15" knife from Smokey Mountain Knife Works for $14.95 it gets the job done for me.

K-Bar bottom line!Good enough for our boys good enough for me!

JUST TO GET BACK ON SUBJECT:   BIG CHEAP PERFERABLY SHARP AND METAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LIKE THE ONES I CAN AFFORD TO LOOSE, ONLY SEEM TO LOOSE THE EXPENSIVE ONES lololol!!!!

all that cuttung torch and grinding is gonna ruin the temper of your steel and make it brittle...especially if its hardened steel like a leaf spring...Not a knife maker tho..

Is there a different proccess for making a double-edged knife?

No you would just do the same thing but two edges

Thats why its best to not start with hardened steel. My dad buys a 12x36 piece of stock, cuts out the shape, and after it is almost done sends it off to be heat treated.

ya i been a rig welder for 14 years,(yes im only 30 but i had a rig truck when i was 16 and welded in the evenings after school) im no knife builder but i no about tempered steel :laugh: a leaf spring is supposed to be good tho i have heard... just have to be slow ground or something??? I made a few knives out of industrial hack saw blades... they get dam sharp and hold an edge like no other...

I have made a few knives myself I have found old saw blades work great. YOU CAN START WILL HARDEN STEEL. You have to temper it first. grind it and do any work you want to it and then harden it and then retemper. Hardening and tempering are 2 completly different things. Hardening is when you heat to a high tempeture (glowing orange) very fast and quinch which makes it hard and brittle.  Tempering is then done to soften the blade enough to make it not brittle. It is done by heating at a moderate temp (blue) slowly and letting it air cool.

I was not going into such detail... but very well said nosights!!!  Whether your a blacksmith or knife maker or whatever, you no your $@#% ;D Those saw blade knives i have are the only ones i have made but i am very impressed with the way they turned out

Thanks Hogtied but Iam no where near either of those things. but if you do it right it pays off in the end. I know a guy that made a knife the right way and did it well , and I saw him stab through a car door.

 popo hope it was his  :laugh:

I use the Buck 119 also. Holds enough edge to skin a few out, cut a head off, and stick'em. They can be had for around $25 on ebay. I have been using the same knife for the past 7 or 8 years.

Cant get into details bout that.  ;D

but here is the last one I made about a year ago.

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I got one i heated and hammered flat and formed out of a rail road spike, with a pipe handle, and also one made from an industrial airsaw blade ill post pics of them i get home... they work pretty good, the saw blade is razor sharp and holds an edge great

I dont temper that way insted of air i dip mine in warm used motor oil usually twice but harden with water then retemper with a oven

here is a general view on my progress over the last few years.  defently not all of them but think this gives a good idea.  The top two are the first two stickers I made.  These are all knives i have made for myself except for the last one and am in the process of finishing it.  I usually dont do all of the fine work for one for myself because I do not care as much about the looks at the fuctionality.
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Here is a little closer view of bottom three
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then pictures of where I started
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this knife i just like it was a pain to do handle is made out of audad horn
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The one I made for the tdha benifit
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One I made boardog (THAT HE LOST) lol
Then one I made another guy
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heres  my knives i hunt with  they are cheap cheap ,,,, I use the cheap machettes you find at flea markets and pawn shops,,
 with the wooden handles that have the stamp "TRAMONTINA BRASIL"
 I first rip it down to the thickness i want ripping  off the back ,, then i have templates I made of blades i like and make them
out and cut them out with a grinder or a saw with a composite metal cutting blade  you can get a lowes  or even wall world
(make sure you wear  your eye wear) , then i go to the grinder and  work the cutting edge (SLOWLY) DONT OVER HEAT  THE BLADE OR IT WILL LOSE  ITS TEMPER,,,,   after that i take a file and smooth it out  and perfect the edge with a make shift lansky  clamp and then
i sharpen on a stone that i cut on my brick saw out of luders stone... i can do a couple in about  2 hours goofing off and haveing a cold refreshment  they are strong stay sharp andare real thin for the size. the blade on the large is 10 3/8,, the small is 5 1/4 . aww heck heres a couple pictures
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What about makein one out of an old file? I heard tha works

just wondering if anybody knows where i can order a decent knife sheith that will hold my knife and attach to my belt.

i always buy some cheap knifes and the sheith's fall apart. the knifes hold up pretty good though..

the one ive got now is the "pig sticker" less than $20's and has stuck a lot of pigs...been a good knife.

Not sure if your knife would fit, but this is the one I have. It made it through two vacations at the big sandbox strapped to a flak jacket, also carried it on numerous hunts, never a problem..

http://www.knifecenter.com/kc_new/store_detail.html?s=KA1216

thanks bro...

If anyone knows a farrier. I always heard that old rasps make good knives. ;)

I don't know... the aussies seem to like the Muelas and the F. Dick knives.

Personally I like the OSS.

But I have to admit, that $15 Smokey Mountain is sounding pretty good. I found their site, but they have a lot of knives. Which model are you talking about?

http://www.smkw.com/webapp/eCommerce/main_front.jsp

Yep, back in Shelby and San Augustine County, we always tied and released (after cutting the boars).  No one ever thought about sticking one.

heres  one more good place for some good priced blades
 i say kill'm all
  Dexter
http://www.cutlerycorner.net/default.aspx