EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

the other night i was hunting my small ranch that butts up to mosaic property. my dog jumped a hog and they caught it 50 yards across the fence i went and got it and drug it to my property when a game cam took a pic off me.. being mosaic there is no way i could call and ask for permission to retrieve my dogs.. this is in florida..  i dont ever go there this was a first and dont plan on going there at all, just wondering thanks

No dog hunter should ever cross fences  popo  rolleyes

In all seriousness....

Its risky business without the landowners permission and can cause issues for you and every other hog dogger. Better off TRYING to get permission first if its feasible.

Im not gonna lie...I've done it....then went back and found the land owner and talked to them after the fact. Sometimes works out in your favor...if not...just be ready to take your medicine.

where the heck is mosiac?  IS it govt prop or private?

Heck u shoulda went back to the game cam with a note apologizing. Then it woulda saved u the effort of finding a land owner and gone to show u wasn't there to steal.

should have deleted the pic. try to find the owner and explain....

I don't agree there. Arkansas isn't bad about prosecuting trespasser. The one guy I know of that got charged checked a game cam and delegated the pics. Only problem he missed the second cam. On another note I crossed onto another lease in MS once. The guys with me kept talking bout taking the card taking the cam all kind of stuff. On the way out we ran into the guy that owned the cam. How would that have been if we had done that stuff. The guy was fine with us and only asked if we killed the pig. Told us good luck and kill them all. I may get in trouble one day from these cams but I won't get in trouble for destroying property.

Mosaic is a big phosphate mining busness. Getting in touch with the owner is 100 % impossible

Then why would they care if you went and retrieved dogs and a pig? It's not like whoever checks the cam owns it

North fl?  Im a fl boy which is why i asked where it is?  I would go by there and talk to te foreman and let tem know what happened.

I look at jumping a fence as something done only as a last resort. I have gone to get dogs. I try to talk with al land owners to get a feel. Some ask you to kill it and leave. Some ask you to kill it it and take it. Some don't trust dog hunters and those I drop all my gear and go in with only dog leads. If I can't get with the land owner I treat them like they hate dog hunters. I do not touch anything on the property but my dogs. I might have to leg the hog to get the dogs but without permission I do not move that hog one inch from where it hits the ground. When all the dogs are on leads they are taken away from the hog so they don't see me let it go. You may get me on a cam walking or with dogs. But not with an animal or a weapon. I don't even take my knife.

You have to realize many land owners don't like dog hunters for good reason. Don't give them any more reasons to hate us.

Well, i domt know how everybody else does things, but in Brazoria county...

Cut the fence and drive the hundred yards to the dogs, kill the hog and make sure to get blood all over everywhere, make sure the headless hog carcass is left in an open area in plain view of where the landowners kids will be riding bikes the next day, find the owners deer stand and take a big dump under it, turn the catch dog loose to a couple trashy pups baying a calf from 300 yards where there's no possible way you know what they're baying OR get to your now cuaght pitbull in a timely manner, then, find some soft ground and turn the place into a mudding pit. Find the cameras and steal them. If there's crop, make sure to drive thru it in several places on your way to the fence and cut a new exit hole for yourself and haul butt out of there drunk and proud. Lol

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Used to hunt the mosaic property growing up. Back then it was IMC mines before they sold to mosaic   No dogs allowed on any of there property any more. They have some guys that run traps on all of there property. Thousands and thousands of acres. Keep in mind that any of the phosphate companies absolutely hate hogs. They root up there gyp stacks and and burms which causes big problems for them with EPA. So technically they probably wouldn't b that upset with you for removing a hog and retrieving your dogs off there property. We do hog removal for another phosphate company here in central Florida so I know firsthand there outlook on this sort of thing. It's probably not as hard as you think to get ahold of someone. I would simply call there main office here in Florida and explain your situation. Let them know that you do "hog removal" (they love them words) on property adjoining there's. I would be really surprised if they wouldn't work with you and have no problem with you retrieving your dogs occasionally.

Ok here's my input.. If you get caught on mosaic property or ID'd from one of their game games your likely going to jail.  Everyone round here knows that!  popo

its a gamewardens camera says the landowner of the property im on

polk Hillsborough myakka all arounf these areas and more

good advice lol

  lol  yeah that sounds like ellis county as well  .

Gotcha.  im near down near ft myers, labelle area.

I wouldn't make a written confession on the internet   ;)

why i dont poach it was a accident. i plan on finding the gamewarden and try to work something out

If you seen cam it wasn't a gamewardens they hide theirs well I would say its a person that
ain't  supposed to be there either

I was born/raised lived in Hillsborough County up till I moved here a few short years ago.

There used to be hogs up the yazoo in Pasco county...I'd see 'em all out in wide open fields. Wish I ran dogs back then!

Hopefully you won't have any issues from the cam pic. I'd say unless the cam owner recognized you, there'd be no real way for him to find out your identity?

I wouldn't go try to find the game warden and work nothing out if anything it's his job to come look for you. It don't matter how big a place you have to hunt its gonna come a point in time where the dogs are goin to go across the line where their not suppose to be. You just have to figure out if its a place where you need wait for them to quit and come back or to go get them I'm not the kinda person that likes to wait for them to quit so I usually go get mine or whosever I'm hunting with. I have learned over the years on going across the line the difficult land owners don't like big crowds so try to go alone or only take one more person an if you have a little kid with you they won't be to upset and they don't like for you to go around their gates so if you hunt off four wheeler try to find a place away from their gate to go in and don't run over any trees if all possible. But I wouldn't worry to much about the camera I have always heard a game camera pic will not hold up in court so unless they catch you on their land it's nothing can be done. The way I look at it is I have these dogs and they are my responsibility to take care of and if they do what their suppose to I'm not gonna leave them if all possible I wouldn't go turn loose on a place I'm not suppose to be on but I will go get my dogs one way or another

I would say finding the game warden and admitting guilt is probably the worst thing you could do......Don't you know your rights?

Of course, I have never been your position either. I never jump fences, drive in fields, drive off road, or do anything like that. My dogs know the property line's and don't cross them or they get hit with a trash breaker..... :angel:

What is yalls trespass laws? In LA you have the right to retrieve your dog as long as you don't have a gun.

idk thats what im trying to figure out lol

wasnt planing on telling on my self they cant do anything unless your caught on the property anyway, he watches all that property and i want to try to work something out about getting my dogs from over there if it happens again

Crossin a fence in fl is crossin a fence.  Doesnt matter why.  I wouldnt call fwc id talk to who ever is in charge and explain the issue and see about getting their cell phone number incase of future issues.  Just my .02

Sounds like good advice, coming from "The Man"

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I heard about his from someone else....

Carry a digital camera. 
Load the card from the game camera into your camera.
View and Delete any photos of yourself. 
Put the card back.
Go home.

That would show that you planned to jump fences before you even left home. I would call the law on someone like that fast.

Honesty is always best

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