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Title: Bottom...? Post by: DWEST on August 24, 2013, 03:57:44 pm Bottom, Stick, Finishing a track...whatever you want to call it.
After the last few hunts I've been ready to cull!!!! But, after I calm down I remember that more often than not thy catch hogs for me and id hate to start over. I've had the discussion before with my hunting buddy, that sometimes a dog that will quit a runner in this Florida thick scrub and heat is a blessing in disguise. But, sometimes it flat out makes me mad. Where do you draw the line? And, when do you go back to the drawing board? ( I know these questions can only be answered by each hunter individually) I've thought seriously bout trying to find a good line of plot or other hound that could add the bottom to my pack. A silent, track driving machine, with speed, stamina, and bottom for days. With the ability to wind or trail and know how to make one sit down...a guy can dream ;D Title: Re: Bottom...? Post by: KevinN on August 24, 2013, 04:31:33 pm Well...I like the ability to "sit one down".... Working on that in my yard.
Hell....you got that you don't need bottom ;D Title: Re: Re: Re: Bottom...? Post by: DWEST on August 24, 2013, 05:04:57 pm Well...I like the ability to "sit one down".... Working on that in my yard. Hell....you got that you don't need bottom ;D Yes, but they have to catch up with one to sit it down. Its just one piece to the puzzle Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2 Title: Re: Bottom...? Post by: Bowhunter1994 on August 24, 2013, 05:21:33 pm I like dogs that are semi rough... Catch when it's small and bay when it's big.. But have to be able to stop a runner
Title: Re: Bottom...? Post by: SwampHunter on August 24, 2013, 07:26:50 pm What do y'all define as stoping a runner ? I have never understood this ...... I have had dogs that were almost all catch that still got on running hogs an I have had loose dogs get on running hogs ,
Seems to me after the hog knows a dog is on him he doesn't stop till he decides to stop an 99 percent of hogs are way faster in the brush an swamps than dogs Title: Re: Bottom...? Post by: pinecreekkennel on August 25, 2013, 03:54:49 am I've never understood stopping a runner either because the hogs where I hunt when you realize they are a runner there wont be a dog get close enough to sit em down until it stops again and that takes lots of bottom.
Title: Re: Re: Bottom...? Post by: Peachcreek on August 25, 2013, 04:47:40 am Shuttem down!!
You guys r gonna have to show me that trick.I only keep dogs around that will run them long enough to make the hog stop once its lungs are burning. It may take 4-5 hours or more but when the hog finally decides to stop the dog had better still be there. I have hunted with some straight catch type rough yellers that never got any closer to the hog than my dogs. But it never hurts to dream ;) Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I537 using Tapatalk 2 Title: Re: Bottom...? Post by: TeJaShOgSlAyER on August 25, 2013, 06:10:42 am I agree with all of yal i got a place that's high fence 600 acres and I'd love for someone to come down and try to stop one of these hogs! I have tried everything, straight catchy dogs, 5 loose dogs, 1 or 2 loose dogs I mean I have tried it all and I can promise my dogs got lots of bottom they won't quit you finally just gotta run the dogs down on a wheeler and catch them! I mean these are the most athletic hogs i have ever been on there is about 15 in the whole 600 ares they range from 75 pounds to 175 pounds! It would be a chore but it sure would be cool to watch if someone thinks they got super star dogs i got the unltmate test for them lol!
Title: Re: Bottom...? Post by: Reuben on August 25, 2013, 07:04:43 am breeding better hog dogs will make you do this... ??? ??? :( 8) ;D ??? ??? :)
Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Bottom...? Post by: DWEST on August 25, 2013, 07:05:04 am Shuttem down!! You guys r gonna have to show me that trick.I only keep dogs around that will run them long enough to make the hog stop once its lungs are burning. It may take 4-5 hours or more but when the hog finally decides to stop the dog had better still be there. I have hunted with some straight catch type rough yellers that never got any closer to the hog than my dogs. But it never hurts to dream ;) Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I537 using Tapatalk 2 Exactly! Grit isn't my problem. I need something that will hang with one as long as it takes Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2 Title: Re: Re: Re: Bottom...? Post by: DWEST on August 25, 2013, 07:07:15 am breeding better hog dogs will make you do this... ??? ??? :( 8) ;D ??? ??? :) Yes! I guess these last few weeks have shown the holes in my pack, especially with one gyp staying home expected to drop pups soon Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2 Title: Re: Bottom...? Post by: Florida Curdog on August 25, 2013, 07:11:30 am I don't want mine to run one all night. 30 / 45 minutes is fine with me. Then off to the next one
Title: Re: Bottom...? Post by: hillbilly on August 25, 2013, 09:17:31 am If the hog wants to run its gonna run I don't care what kinda dogs you got. Its so thick the hog will be gone and 2 hundred yards ahead of them before the get it lined out.
I am like you sometimes I cuss my dogs when they quit and sometimes I say boy I wish they would come back out that place. Title: Re: Bottom...? Post by: Reuben on August 25, 2013, 09:27:42 am :angel:
If the hog wants to run its gonna run I don't care what kinda dogs you got. Its so thick the hog will be gone and 2 hundred yards ahead of them before the get it lined out. I am like you sometimes I cuss my dogs when they quit and sometimes I say boy I wish they would come back out that place. That's is how it is with those dogs that won't give it up...then we worry about where the hog is going to bay up and if it is a neighborhood... or 2 or 3 fences over and will the dogs get shot or stolen etc...etc...that's just the way it is with long range and lots of bottom dogs that won't give it up... Title: Re: Bottom...? Post by: Jared H. on August 25, 2013, 09:28:56 am Well...I like the ability to "sit one down".... Working on that in my yard. Hell....you got that you don't need bottom ;D Just wondering but how are you workin on that in your yard? I've never hunted behind a dog that makes a running hog sit down. Just dogs that stay with one until it decides to stop. Title: Re: Bottom...? Post by: T-Bob Parker on August 25, 2013, 12:32:39 pm Even dogs with tons of bottom get outrun plenty.
The best way to go if your wanting to "shut down them runners" is to get nothing but dogs with zero bottom whatsoever, no range and catch as soon as they see a hog. That way, when they smell a hog, begin to investigate it and the hog takes off and smokes em, you'll just assume they were hunting. You'll still catch a few hogs now and then and if you find a property that is smack covered in hogs you can catch em pretty often and make believe that hogs don't run when your crew is on the job! Title: Re: Re: Re: Bottom...? Post by: DWEST on August 25, 2013, 01:01:10 pm Even dogs with tons of bottom get outrun plenty. You may be on to somethin??? ;DThe best way to go if your wanting to "shut down them runners" is to get nothing but dogs with zero bottom whatsoever, no range and catch as soon as they see a hog. That way, when they smell a hog, begin to investigate it and the hog takes off and smokes em, you'll just assume they were hunting. You'll still catch a few hogs now and then and if you find a property that is smack covered in hogs you can catch em pretty often and make believe that hogs don't run when your crew is on the job! Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2 Title: Re: Bottom...? Post by: KevinN on August 25, 2013, 01:01:55 pm Well...I like the ability to "sit one down".... Working on that in my yard. Hell....you got that you don't need bottom ;D Just wondering but how are you workin on that in your yard? I've never hunted behind a dog that makes a running hog sit down. Just dogs that stay with one until it decides to stop. Trying to breed in A LOT of nut grabbing without being rough catchy...it ain't easy but its a goal. A runner is a runner and no...you can't do much about that if he starts running before the first bark or before help comes in the form of another dog or two....you just gotta hope he stops and your dogs aren't to far behind. When I talk about "sitting one down" I'm talking about a hog that is initially bayed by at least a couple dogs. I WANT dogs that will spin that hog...make him sit on his nuts to protect them. If he's busy protecting his nuts he HOPEFULLY won't have a chance to break and run......a chance to BE a runner. That's what I'm striving for anyway. Title: Re: Bottom...? Post by: Bo Pugh on August 25, 2013, 01:27:01 pm to me bottom is the key in hunting, around here its no stopping a hog from running but which one is going to run out of gas first, i got one dog that wont quit for several hours ill just let him run a while and if they cross a road somewhere ill try to put in a few more dogs with him and later pick them up and redo it again and lately its been working pretty good for me.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Bottom...? Post by: Peachcreek on August 25, 2013, 05:30:23 pm Well...I like the ability to "sit one down".... Working on that in my yard. Hell....you got that you don't need bottom ;D Just wondering but how are you workin on that in your yard? I've never hunted behind a dog that makes a running hog sit down. Just dogs that stay with one until it decides to stop. Trying to breed in A LOT of nut grabbing without being rough catchy...it ain't easy but its a goal. A runner is a runner and no...you can't do much about that if he starts running before the first bark or before help comes in the form of another dog or two....you just gotta hope he stops and your dogs aren't to far behind. When I talk about "sitting one down" I'm talking about a hog that is initially bayed by at least a couple dogs. I WANT dogs that will spin that hog...make him sit on his nuts to protect them. If he's busy protecting his nuts he HOPEFULLY won't have a chance to break and run......a chance to BE a runner. That's what I'm striving for anyway. Ohh I gotcha.. You r trying to breed some bay busters:) the way I see it if a hog is bayed putting pressure on it is a sure fire way to get it to run. Just my opinion for what it is worth. Title: Re: Bottom...? Post by: ETHHunters on August 25, 2013, 05:39:15 pm Well...I like the ability to "sit one down".... Working on that in my yard. Hell....you got that you don't need bottom ;D Just wondering but how are you workin on that in your yard? I've never hunted behind a dog that makes a running hog sit down. Just dogs that stay with one until it decides to stop. Trying to breed in A LOT of nut grabbing without being rough catchy...it ain't easy but its a goal. A runner is a runner and no...you can't do much about that if he starts running before the first bark or before help comes in the form of another dog or two....you just gotta hope he stops and your dogs aren't to far behind. When I talk about "sitting one down" I'm talking about a hog that is initially bayed by at least a couple dogs. I WANT dogs that will spin that hog...make him sit on his nuts to protect them. If he's busy protecting his nuts he HOPEFULLY won't have a chance to break and run......a chance to BE a runner. That's what I'm striving for anyway. Ohh I gotcha.. You r trying to breed some bay busters:) the way I see it if a hog is bayed putting pressure on it is a sure fire way to get it to run. Just my opinion for what it is worth. Title: Re: Re: Bottom...? Post by: Peachcreek on August 25, 2013, 05:45:25 pm That kinda sounded rude... I guess it is what I wanted to say. Lol
To me if a dog tugs sack to get em to stop running great. If it bites a bayed hawg it had better commit and stay caught. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I537 using Tapatalk 2 Title: Re: Re: Bottom...? Post by: t.wilbanks on August 25, 2013, 06:50:58 pm That kinda sounded rude... I guess it is what I wanted to say. Lol To me if a dog tugs sack to get em to stop running great. If it bites a bayed hawg it had better commit and stay caught. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I537 using Tapatalk 2 Rude or not, sounds about right to me... ;) No point in pressuring a bayed hog... Title: Re: Bottom...? Post by: KevinN on August 25, 2013, 07:20:52 pm Ok...let me get more detailed (although I know we've covered this before)
I want the dogs to grab ass when they see it. I want the hog sitting on his ass and spinning or backed up into the brush...in which case the dogs would be on the head baying. If the boar charges one dog the other is laying teeth...when the boar turns on HIM the OTHER is laying teeth....and repeat...lol. I consider this bay dog perfection. Impossible...no...tall order to fill...sure. But if your not moving forward...you'll end up behind. Title: Re: Bottom...? Post by: BA-IV on August 25, 2013, 07:35:16 pm Personally I want bottom.
If I have a nut grabbing dog while a bay is settled, the dog better have a mouthful of nuts when I get there and the boar hog better be sitting on the dogs head, otherwise it's gonna pressure the hog alil to much. Title: Re: Re: Bottom...? Post by: hillbilly on August 25, 2013, 07:54:00 pm That kinda sounded rude... I guess it is what I wanted to say. Lol To me if a dog tugs sack to get em to stop running great. If it bites a bayed hawg it had better commit and stay caught. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I537 using Tapatalk 2 Rude or not, sounds about right to me... ;) No point in pressuring a bayed hog... Title: Re: Re: Bottom...? Post by: T-Bob Parker on August 25, 2013, 08:28:44 pm That kinda sounded rude... I guess it is what I wanted to say. Lol To me if a dog tugs sack to get em to stop running great. If it bites a bayed hawg it had better commit and stay caught. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I537 using Tapatalk 2 Rude or not, sounds about right to me... ;) No point in pressuring a bayed hog... Yup yup Title: Re: Bottom...? Post by: alapaha blue blood on August 25, 2013, 09:07:15 pm I don't min having a dog with a ton of bottom but only run him on our big places and high fenced property's but on most places we hunt if they don't get him stopped by the time they hit 1-1.50 I want them coming back so we can get on another that works just fine down here and it keeps the dogs hunting for me vs me hunting for the dogs even though they r short to medium range we catch a ton of hogs and ya we get burned but still get quite a bit of big toothey hogs so we r happy with them some hogs just won't stop nut grabbing are not but they will pick up on the ones behind him r the next crippled 3 legged hog ;)
Title: Re: Bottom...? Post by: KevinN on August 25, 2013, 09:13:20 pm Alright then ;)
Title: Re: Re: Bottom...? Post by: DWEST on August 26, 2013, 10:26:55 am Again...grit isn't a problen with my dogs. And I believe any hog dog knows how to make a hog stop if and when they catch up to it. Some hogs are gonna run and run, and most dogs will never keep up with a smart hog on its turf. But, if you have a dog (s) that pushes the the track long and fast enough, eventually that hog will either slip up or get fed up and turn to fight.
Kinda like runnin a deer, different strokes for different folks. A pack a beagles will run a buck round and round a block of woods or pond for hours. All the while the buck just lopes around out front, stops and watches and finds a time and place to slip out the back door. Now, a pack of fast walkers push that same deer fast enough where eventually he's gotta leave his bedroom and hopefully make a mistake on where he crosses. Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2 Title: Re: Bottom...? Post by: hillbilly on August 26, 2013, 02:21:05 pm Sounds like you know what you want so go after it.
Title: Re: Re: Re: Bottom...? Post by: DWEST on August 26, 2013, 06:17:58 pm Sounds like you know what you want so go after it. I plan on trying;D I guess my next step is finding a line of hounds that has what I'm after. (And, yes I know there are some curs that can "do it all") but for me I think the holes I'm seeing in my game is to add a hound type that can really push a track FAST with wind and bottom for days, all while being as quiet as possible on a track. Any push in the right direction is greatly appreciated Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk 2 Title: Re: Re: Re: Bottom...? Post by: BigCutters4 on August 27, 2013, 10:43:19 pm Bottom, Stick, Finishing a track...whatever you want to call it. After the last few hunts I've been ready to cull!!!! But, after I calm down I remember that more often than not thy catch hogs for me and id hate to start over. I've had the discussion before with my hunting buddy, that sometimes a dog that will quit a runner in this Florida thick scrub and heat is a blessing in disguise. But, sometimes it flat out makes me mad. Where do you draw the line? And, when do you go back to the drawing board? ( I know these questions can only be answered by each hunter individually) I've thought seriously bout trying to find a good line of plot or other hound that could add the bottom to my pack. A silent, track driving machine, with speed, stamina, and bottom for days. With the ability to wind or trail and know how to make one sit down...a guy can dream ;D [/quote ]. I totally understand what you are going threw .after 15 yrs of hunting w yella dogs and a few others here and there I have went to a gritty lots of bottom cold nose line if plotts I got tired of my dogs quitting a running hog in my head there was no excuse for this .I grew up deer hunting and rabbit hunting w dogs my whole life and none of them dogs ever quit a track .so this is my reason for going to my buddies line of plotts , and I can tell ya its been about 2 yrs and its the best decision I ever made . Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk 2 Title: Re: Bottom...? Post by: alabamajagd on August 28, 2013, 10:02:58 pm I agree with all of yal i got a place that's high fence 600 acres and I'd love for someone to come down and try to stop one of these hogs! I have tried everything, straight catchy dogs, 5 loose dogs, 1 or 2 loose dogs I mean I have tried it all and I can promise my dogs got lots of bottom they won't quit you finally just gotta run the dogs down on a wheeler and catch them! I mean these are the most athletic hogs i have ever been on there is about 15 in the whole 600 ares they range from 75 pounds to 175 pounds! It would be a chore but it sure would be cool to watch if someone thinks they got super star dogs i got the unltmate test for them lol! Where do u live? I have some that can shut down pressured hogs. |