EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I don't want to steal another subject from someone so ima start my own. Do y'all really believe that no matter what if a hog wants to run it CAN'T be stopped. It will only stop when it wants to. Dogs can't make a hog stop, whether it be caught or force to bay???

I ask this because the guy I used to hunt with all the time has one hell of a red cur dog that would make a hog stop. I mean we have seen it many a time. Ol Bo would strike a hog. Bay him. If he broke that was his only chance to bay. Next time that hog was seen he had that red cur on his ear. Cut down. Tired as hell. It didn't matter that dog didn't do running hogs. Straight shut em the hell down. One chance to bay was all they got. Once they broke that first time he would just catch em straight up. They may make it 50 ft they may make it 300 yards but no 10 miles. Not cause they didn't wanna run. They did. Hell they tried. It's just hard to run with big red earrings.

Now I do have to admit this dog has no issues with life. It's not a factor. He is that straight shut em down stop em dog.  No matter what. Life didn't get in the way.

IMO if a hog wants to run its goin too. But I do think ANY hog can be caught in the right situation.

Yes... load ol Bo up and come show me. I want him to stop every hog he starts.

IMO...it always boils to to "fight or flight".  And when that hog chooses flight, the dog still has to catch up to the hog, weather it be because the hog makes a mistake, gets tired, or finally decides to fight. 
We are hunting these animals in their house, they know the escape routes.

If a hog decides it wants to run, will it?  Yes

Does this mean it can't be stopped?  No

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used to be hogs that stopped to fight...but those are out of the gene pool now and the ones that have gotten away are breeding more of the same...and they have adapted well...just like breeding better dogs...the cream rises to the top...

over here in bama i have noticed on some of the open places i been getting to hunt lately baying a hog isnt a problem even if it breaks its not goin to far but i dont hunt them places alot, the places i usually hunt are so thick usually the only time they bay is when they first run up on a hog about 5 barks and then its a race, its not the dogs or the hogs fault its thick this time of summer and briars that pull meat out when they go by, so a dog has a tuff time running and having to trail and getting his eyelids stretched out through these thickets that the dogs just cant catch up to get a hog to stop and bay, where the hog just puts his head down and trots around 3-4-5-6 hours and you get 5 barks every now and then when they run up on it, all the dogs cant stick togethor that long and wont run up on him all at one time. but if a dog runs a hog for 5 hours im just as happy as i caught 10 it shows just as good of dog work to me

ive seen a 100lb cd get draged by a hog...........caught yes,legged yes, stoped NO., but slow enuff to walk up and leg......

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What kinda country is this hog stopper hunt in?

I dont think ol bo would have a chance to put his mouth on a hog out here. These suckers run at first bark then its off to the races for a few hours.

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Yup, if ol bo can do it I want 10 pups outta of tomorrow......

If a hog wants to run.... He can flat outrun a dog!  I've been standing in an open pin oak flat and seen hogs break out of a thicket and flat outrun a dog to the far side!  Dog starts out right on their tail and after 100 yards be 20 or 30 yards ahead and leaving that dog!  The hog stops when and if it wants to!!

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So it looks like everyone thinks you can't stop a hog. It'll stop when it wants. So i take it y'all don't have too many multiple hog hunts if y'all are chasing one hog for miles upon miles. At least not in this Texas heat. If that's the case you can have all them running hogs with no bay to em. Keep that number 2 far away from here.

O that bo dog again ain't mine he is a buddies dog. And they hunt some nasty ass south tx brush country. And if the stuff y'all hunt is worse than that crap around freer and Alice then you can have it.

No one said you can't stop a hog... I was see the dog that can stop everyone he starts.

We stop plenty of hogs... but we damn sure run plenty too.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here by saying this, Ol' Bo sounds like a good dog. I think the difference here is the definition of stopping or shutting down a runner. I think most of us are meaning that stopping or shutting down means making it stand there until we get there with the catch dog. Bo isn't doing that. He is down right catching it and staying caught until you get there.

Jared, I've many a times wondered the same thing reading post on here about hogs running for hours or miles.  I've never understood it either to be honest. When it comes down to it I think all it is is that me and you are use to hunting this South Texas brush country.  Hogs down here are different I guess, some run, and some stop to fight, just the ones that run don't run for hours.  By any means am I saying that my dogs are top notch, cus they're not, but I catch plenty of hogs with them, and I am happy with them.  They don't start many hogs that don't get caught sooner or later.  Maybe it the country they are in or what they eat, lol.  It's not like they aren't pressured cus every other truck around here has a box in the back and poachers are everywhere!  The way I see it is our dogs from S.TX, might not make the cut up north but it works both ways.  I'd like to go hunt somewhere else just to see how different things are.

U have to be able to catch it to stop it. If the dog can't get thru the under brush fast enough it's not gonna happen unless the hog decides to stop. I have a dog that I have seen run down a hog in an open field and catch it. I have seen this same dog chase a shoat 2 miles before it decided to stop. If my 2 best dogs can get close enough it will stop. I have had races where they could not get close enough.

Mike C we can sure put you in these piney woods on some runners if you'd like to see some new country and see what all the fuss is about.

What part of South Texas do you hunt? I've hunted quit a few places down there myself.

Thanks Mike, ill have to take you up on that some time!  When I read post of where dogs run a hog for 4-5 hours it makes me stop and want to think if my dogs would have that kind of bottom, more than likely they wouldn't.  The places I hunt it wouldn't take long to be on the neighbors property if hogs ran that bad here.   Sometimes reading those posts makes me want to start over and get a pack of those type dogs, but then I stop and realize I catch hogs with what I have. 

Mike I hunt from Hebbronville, Benavides, Premont, Falfurrias, Encino, McCook, King Ranch all the way down to Raymondville, and all places in between

Mike, I guess I've hunted more west of you... Dilley, Cotulla, Los Angeles, Pearsall, Carrizo and several others places around there.

I'm down to chasing city hogs in Houston the next several months, holler after deer season and we'll go run a few.

I've got the popcorn ready:D
hopefully it  get better than last nights football game.

Sounds good Mike!  Unfortunately I won't be free until after April, MLD tags and Quail/Turkey season keep me busy until then on this hunting camp I run.

Sounds good...

Mr. Chavez I know exactly what your saying. I dunno if our hogs just don't run as bad or if it is the dogs forcing em to stop. We see up a lot of dogs. But we also don't chase hogs for miles upon miles upon miles. I also see the difference in hunting south Texas to hunting up here in matagorda county. Here I have been in multiple races where I am chasing hogs for 2-3 hours. But I also got tired of sewing dogs up so I try to run a little looser than dogs like klei has. That bo dog can damn sure stop a hog. But hell he is damn near all black from the scars showing it. The only thing I can figure is different hogs.

Sew up a lot of dogs.

Maybe down south in all that plush living country them hogs just eat so much they are too rolling fat to run too far. Lol. Much sarcasm is intended there.

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I think a lot of hogs can be stopped and caught with the right kinds of dogs of course not all of them but a big majority of them.  I always had dogs like the Bo dog ruff type you wanna run am your ear ring kinda dogs.  But I sewed up dogs a lot .  I went threw I think it was six staple guns in like three four months one time.  So I got tired like you of sewing dogs up are I just thought I was tired of it and bred the heat down some . The liters came the dogs got up sure nuff knocked a lot of heat out of them in just one breeding .  There was no doubt about what I had done cause now the big boys were leaving the country it was obvious so obvious a blind man could see it .  Its been two, three years now and am going straight back to were I come from as a matter of fact since I did this I don't think in all this time I have used but maybe a full staple gun.
I come to this conclusion and my theory is this now !

Less staple guns = Less hogs !
More staple guns = More hogs !

As am going back to the ruffer side of life and put a dog are two back in the pack like this as am breeding to get back to were I was to start with .  With one are two of those dogs in the pack again a blind man can see the running is cut way way way back down and sometimes to a trickle ,  take them out and you are back on the race track.

Now I know land and terrain is different and you are not going to stop every hog if you say you do your a liar period.  But nobody on this earth can tell me any different that what I just said up there because I have been on both sides of the fence Gritty ruff bad and its you are me kinda dogs & the back off try to stop you bite you in the ass nuts hanging out chase you till your lungs bleed kind of dogs .

What it boils down to is what you believe in and what kinds of dogs you was raised on and loved its human nature to take up for which ever side of the fence you are on. 

But from my experience from both sides of the fence and going with what works for me and my buddy's here that hunt with me that have seen just what am talking about and been right there when its happening.  Its back to the ruffer side of life for me.

One other thing ,  Once I started buying good solid vest and wearing them every outing the big time cuts  slowed down to a trickle while I was using these two dogs as I breed myself back up and every dog I hunt wears a vest a good one ,  they get acclimatized to them pretty well.


Just me and it don't mean any other way is wrong its just what works best for us and me .

Like everybody else, we have places where the hogs are bad to run. Have this place where they are dogged alot & they are all good russian hogs.
  Was telling a buddy about it & he said if he got his plotts on it, he could run them down so I invited him over. That whole weekend we ran hogs from sunup to sundown & never caught one. Now I have caught a lot of hogs in there with my plotts but I generally have to relay them to break that hog down.
  That same area, I caught 32 hogs in that winter with one male catahoula. Here are some of my observations over the years on running hogs. That dog was as rough as he had to be to keep a hog there. If he stopped, he backed off & bayed, but as long as the hog was trying to run he was hung on to the back end.
  In a place where hogs are bad to run, it seems like just one dog out, & they bay better where two or more & the hog is off & running. Does not matter if a dog is open or not. JMO
  Some dogs, whether open or silent, just have the touch that keeps hogs bayed. It does not matter if they are loose baying or gritty, they have what it takes.

  The last few years, my plotts have caught about 80% of the hogs they run across & like Texashogdog says, I use a lot of staples. Two of the very best plotts I have had, that were great on baying hogs by theirself, one was very gritty & one was not. Go figger, so both types bay hogs.
  Bottom line, there are going to be hogs that will smoke you & not a thing you can co about it.lol
 

A lot of the runners that we get on don't just flat out leave the country from the get go....  The dogs run hogs for hours and miles, but.may never get over a mile away...

I think it was Mike that said they will make your Garmin tracks look like "a crack head with an Etch a scetch"....

Lol I like that phrase!

I hunted some fields with blue blood aka Mike in corpus I had a blAst and he has some sure snuff dogs but that is way different style of hunting then we have here in east or southeast texas these hogs here run for sure so I don't see any dog 100 percent shutting them all down. Ol Bo may be a great stop dog but bring him here and put your money on the line and see if he can stop every hog he gets on.

You said it Mike.  That is how you catch runners whether it be hogs or bear.  If you have a good enough road system, guys that know the country well, fresh dogs, and time........there are not many 'runners' that can get away, especially if you keep packing in front of the front dogs.

Here's a crack head with an etch-a-sketch... ha ha
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I do agree on cold packing the dogs, we've caught our fair share like that. Watching that Garmin has sure showed me a lot of things that a smart will do trying to loose the dogs.

Man I don't remember saying that dog stopped EVERY single hog. He does good but number 2 happens every dog gets outrun.

I agree...
sometimes one dog is better than five...usually in the thick briars the five gritty dogs get to the stopped hog and none really commit to a solid catch but before all the dogs can align themselves to catch the hog the hog will break bay...one dog will usually sit back and bay and the hog will hold...

now get that same pack in the open type woods and every hog bayed will probably get caught...that has been my experience in the past...

sometimes we hunt a place that hasn't been dogged in a while and big boars will be caught for a few months...then all of a sudden the hogs will be big time runners and will not bay just haul ass...usually the dogs will just have to give it up due to over heating conditions...

how much pressure has a lot to do with how much a hog will run or even how fast to run...these hogs have it figured out...We were running one hog and he would cross the pipeline about a half mile in front of the dogs and he done this in about 5 minutes after he took the dogs for a circle and he would be hauling...we probably could have got a plan going to catch him but we had other places to run...don't take long for a hog to get educated...

There is a fine line between a rough dog and a rcd. If my dog bays and hog and it breaks and he can't stop it in a mile he quits and comes back and we will go find another. Here in north Arkansas there is not a dog Alice that can stop every running hog they start.