EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I am looking into buying register Black mouths and Catahoulas what are some good blood lines ?

the ben line is junk.. it was a cull to begin with.. i dont see what the big hype with papered dogs are, why are you wanting to get into it if you dont mind me asking ?

non-papered dogs seem live longer an dont choose a dog for looks, Choose them for there working ability's an drive to please..

I just want register dogs for the simple fact they are worth more if they have papers rather than  non register dogs for an example i own a pair of non register black mouth and the most i can get for the puppies when i breed them is $100 a puppy and my best friend has a pair of register black mouths and he get 250 to 300 a pup . My dogs hunt just as good as the register dogs but every body that calls wanting puppies wants a register one.

I'd be willing to bet that 90% of the best dogs ever hunted were never bred to be bought or sold, they were bred and kept in a close tight knit group by the men who bred them to be hog dogs without any interest in monetary gain............. just something to think about  ;)

Yes sir, he did at least pick the two most popular breeds to sell ;) lol

  well wild child the proof is in the pudding so to speak on selling pups .  as a rule I used to sell my cross bred dogs for more than the registered mutts . IF you have GOOD SOLID DOGS  it don't matter if they are papered or not . and if your dogs are worthy of breeding and you think you must have papers on them , find you a registry and single register them . I think well I know the nkc will single register the cur dogs . then you can keep track and have your own special line of money burners . but if your in it for the money I would suggest just getting a second job  lol   because you'll need a blood transfusion , plenty of gatoraid and a whole lot of tissue's to just break even in this game  .

Wildchild...to each his own and if you want registered dogs than go for it.  All my dogs (plotts and one catahoula) are registered and I like it that way.  I only aim to please myself, and since I am paying the feed bill I will do what I want.  If you want registered dogs than do it.  Sorry I dont know the best registered lines.

Sometimes economics are important.  There are people I work with that constantly talk about breeding and selling thier Pug dogs and English Bulldogs as just house pets.  They are selling these non-working dogs for pets and getting anywhere from 800-1600 for a pup.

Id say as long as you are breeding great dogs to other great dogs than go for it.  My only opinion and concern is that people down breed junk just make a buck.  It goes against my way of thinking, but if your dogs are registered and you can breed to another good dog that has papers, go for it.

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Don't get me wrong papered dogs are great be cuz you can trace them up and down so you can see what they should be or do. But as we all know that ain't the case in this game allways mixing and match to make them better we cross our line to make a dog. You can have a good standard in a line and stick with it and be ok pure dogs seem to stay consists but some crosses can be good or better. So can straight line but in most cases papers are good for showing or wipe ing lol  

How do you know that a dog is really bred like the papers show?? I promise some of the papers are phoney. I know for a fact that is true for bird dogs and was refered to as grey shirting back in the day. That meant that if some other dog bred your female that the one you paid for it was grey shirting.

If I was ever going to breed a good female to a hot shot male you can bet that I am going to be there at the breeding. I want to see it for my own eyes.

The only two hog dogs I had that were registered were not that good. I want to get my dogs from somebody that I know for a fact has good dogs. If they tell me that a dog or pup is good I go with that and it has worked well. I could care less if a dog has papers or what they do in a baypen. Give me a dog that can do it in the woods.

Floridacur you made a statement that Ben dogs are junk and that he was a cull. You haven't done your homework buddy. I doubt you have ever hunted with a real Ben dog. Ben dogs are about all that are used around here because nothing else works as well. Ben was no cull although he had the reputation of being a little rough with cattle. Spend some time learning something before you slam other people's dogs, it makes one question whether you know anything at all. I'm not going to slam your dogs whether they have any hunt in them at all, your the one that feeds them.

That's a big statement buddy. I hunt a lot of Ben Jordan dogs and they are as close to exactly what I want in a bmc that I've found. Physical if they need to be but will stay back and bay of the hog will stay put. As far as I'm concerned they are the only cur line to have.  When bred to another good bmc that works then ALL the pups work. The people that can't hunt em are the people that can't train em. A lot of times it had nothin to do with the dog and everything to do with the trainer...

There's a huge difference between Ben Jordan Stock and Weatherford Ben Stock...it's night and day.

Jpuckett you hit it on the head

All of our dogs are non reg. Except my walkers. I sale my non reg black mouths at 250-400 and walker pups anywhere from 100-500. Just get a different line. Papers dont make a dog. Advertise more put you're puppys out there and you're dogs. Hunt with new people. Let the people come to you. We sale a lot of puppys due to wanting one out of a litter then not wanting to keep any of the rest. I sale all mine by advertising. It works.

If you have the old school line you can do the same with non reg dogs. Butch Arnold's dogs aren't reg and he can trace his dogs all the way back to 1943.

i didnt personally say your dogs are good nor bad and honestly dont care ive done research and ive been around 50 plus years hunting experenced guys for quit awhile if you like them good for you i dont feed them so i do not care if there was a good one someone was to give/ sell for cheap would i take it yes but would i buy pups solely off that line just because they were from  the famous weatherfords ben nope.. even if he was as good as he is talked about would i want the pups no becouse look up pups of that line online there are tons are you telling me every single one is a good dog i would be willing to bet not. i will stick to dogs that i know what and who they have come from.  this is all MY opinion what it means to me is not the same to you i do not bash ppls dogs because i do not feed them if i made you made that was not my intentions but i will say what i think.

didnt say anything about ben jordans stock

Maybe ETHD should have a dog jockey section!  :laugh:

This can get touchy cuz every one has there fav that is why I keep an open mind on what I hear and trust what I see and know. Little story my buddy had a well bred dog wasn't finished when he got him. Every time we went out this dog would just stand there and look at us we would bay up and in no hurry what so ever he would go to the bay and bark very modist. So my buddy taking a Loss gave him to another friend bout month or so later that guy invited me on a hunt cuts that same dog out and he was a mad dog gone like that little bit later bayed up and pig down. He looked at me and said go figure I said well there you Tim shehand 

I would think a dogs reputation in the woods will make or break you faster than breeding for paper

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Exactly like i said earlier papers dont make a dog! The hunt, bottom can easily make a dog more than papers can!

U mite not have come out n said his paticular dogs were junk, but by goin off ur own words in ur post. u said ben line dogs are junk, Words rite outa ur own hole. It doesnt matter if u dont want to feed them, its ur choice, but dont come here n start spittin outa ur pie hole bout peoples dogs. Just cause u didnt call 1 paticular person's dogs dont mean it aint what u ment. U dont wanna feed that paticular line of dogs, then fine, dont but dont call the dogs of folks that own that junk.

If your buying registered dogs cause they sale for more then obviously your not into hunting and your more into makin money so it really doesnt matter wat line you get mightest well go for the one you can get the most for

The only thing paper is good for is wiping ass !  It has ruined many a great bloodlines of dogs $$$$$$$$.

I can tell ya this much. 

You can taste the soup but they aint gonna give you the recipe ! 

So most of what you are looking at on those butt wipe papers are lies !

I got a dog I'm hunting for a buddy of mine now I've had him all summer he's suppose to be I think 42% weatherford Ben I don know how they come up with that number and as far as I know this is the first one I ever laid eyes on but I know anybody that likes to hog hunt would like to own this dog and I was thinking about looking for another like him if I can find out where he came from but I wouldn't say they are all junk I'm sure alot of them are but this one will put you in the hogs

Its just like any other bloodline of dogs .  There is the good ones and there is the bad ones.  Then there are the good honest breeders and then there are the breeders that are in it for the money and don't give a chit.  There is people that breed them strickly on paper and then there are people who breed just the good dogs and let the papers tell them how they are bred after the breeding is made .

If you like this line of dogs its just like any other one ,  find the people that are working the dogs leave the rest alone and you are way ahead of the game if you are in it for the working dogs .  If you are not in it for the working dogs then just find the best set of doctored up papers you can go with and put the price on em !

Its just me I hate reg pape.   I don't like registerys to me its just a big blob of BS and another way to make big money !  You would understand if you have seen some of the BS I have seen when it comes to papered dogs, Doctoring pedigress and the breeders that breed them !

U wanna buy papered dogs, buy papered dogs. U wanna try n make money n breed a good line of dogs, then thats ur business. No matter what anybody says, there r a form of culls in everbodys breeding, but what 1 person says is their cull, could be the best dog for another. Get a good line of dogs n dont let the $$$$ interfere with selective breeding.

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all i have to say its my opinion and i will say MY opinion whenever i want this is the internet if you dont want to get different views on thing dont get on it

floridahogdoghunter, ur right, its your opinion and your opinion is like a big pile of dog poo, it stinks. u get on here and talk crap about a specific line of dog and expect folks not to take offence to it, ur bout as bright as a broken light bulb. the original topic didn't ask for your baligerant opinion, u r right it is a public forum, but u can be a lil more corgal with the crap that spills outa the  blow hole under ur nose. before downing some1s dogs, take a look at the crap in ur yard first.

Like it Charles

lol i just will not say anything because there is no point in it i cant meet you in person so whats the point

Sure u can, get on a bird and head west 1200 miles

 :) ;D.....it might be time to up the mg's...  ??? :)

mg's  ???

miligrams...meds not working as they should...  :)

Where's the like button ?!?! Hahaha

Ohhhh. Yea, i kinda fell off the waggon the last 3-4 days. The main reason im takin them is bc they have helped me stop smoking. What nade u think i needed an increase in my crazy meds?  ;D

I don't know???  ??? :laugh:

 well Rueben, my new crazy meds came in. I may need to self adjust the dosage to make me less an a-hole, but I don't see it workin, once an a-hole, always an a-hole. I just like jack wads runnin their suck hole like some1 did that got my blood pressure up a lil

you keep running your damn mouth dont you i dropped it because there is no point in arguing with someone over the internet ans as far as to me flying to you i have a life of my own i will keep my opinions on you to myself instead of running my mouth behind a computer.. as far as your meds they arnt working so take some more and if you wanna say more message me because im not going to look at this post again.. and half of the ppl who own bens breed dogs are on it for the band wagon and dont no a clue about them (not all) just because i say i dont like them doesnt mean you cant  get the hell over your damn self and lol go ahead and talk crap about my dogs.. i know what i have

and last but not least ben is probably the most popular cur dog breed out there even if he was the best there was ppl are going to breed junk to it for the money as of every other papered dog im in florida so to get a better quality "ben dog" here is probably harder then in texas  because i hear that yall have a bit more then here one of the only  ben breeders that i know of down here was forging the papers and they really werent ben dogs to begin with

If ida been talkin to u, ida refered to u as skirt, but i was talkn to rueben. As far counterfit breeders, tx has the same low quality turds. Unless the foundation in a whole is crooked, iv bought all my ben bred dogs from folks randy wright recomended or from him. There is 1 of them counterfitters that u spoke of that visits this site from time to time n if he was on fire, id throw extra fuel to the fire. Dishonest breeders all around have tainted n polluted numerous diff breeds. I am not 1 of them, unless the papers i received were wrong from the other breeds or registry to begin with

Now now francis, no need to be mean! Lolololol

No worries jessica, hopefully the nxt they get my blood boilin, if it reaches blow off point, hopefully i wont make the mistake they guy did today at temple

Lol jessica is the best u got??  I was waitin on a good 1!

I hav to keep it clean u islamic ragheaded bunny humper  ;D

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Wow. Yall need to borrow some of my sparing gloves...

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Thats the charles im used to lol