EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

 I personally would love to see it happen. I signed the petition....


 http://texnat.org/

It would be a hard road at first, but its a doable task. I think it would be best if texas was an independent country.

It will never happen. They refused to allow it for the states in 1862 they sure wouldn't allow it in 2013.


Shotgun
Arkansas

Just make sure you grandfather me in when you do it!

 and how do u know it will never happen?eventually there will enough people who is fed up this current communist government and hopefully we can another revolutionary war and civil war wrapped up in a nice little bowtie and hard it to the gov, muzzle first.

I wish it would happen and it could but would be tough. It's been tried by several states before.

Yawn.

It will never happen,in this day and time,my 2 cents,not enough ppl built like that,to stand up.

No way.  Think about a couple issues such as border patrol (not only against Mexico, what about US States?  Are US citizens in LA and OK going to have a passport to go to TX? US will be forced to pull out Federal organizations such as Ft Hood and Ft Sam Houston.  What about colleges and their tuition/scholarship programs.

Only reason I would support it would be to TX can take A&M Manziel back.  I don't know what the SEC was thinking when they let A&M and Mizzu join.

 we wont know if we don't try. 237yrs ago many colonists said no way america could be free from the tyranny king George, but within 20yrs there was a new government and free men. now we have our own tyrants and those who side with them Islamic radicals. people would rather be slaves than be free as long they can get a free ride. id give my 80% disability and my gi bill education, just to be a free texas. take all the free loaders, cut off their food stamps and any other free-be they can receive, and either starve them into submission to leave texas or support her. aint nobody said it was gonna be cake walk, but neither was freeing america and forming a new government. all the citizens have to do is try, whats the harm in trying unless they are scared of loosing their free government ride and handouts and if that's the case, they can take a hike.

The only way it will happen is a result of a large scale civil war. At that point the government will turn all of t resources against the uprising. It will be squashed before it starts. Think about it prior to the civil war states had the power not the government. The biggest advantage to be held was manpower. The north utilized the immigrants coming in to bolster there numbers and give them the manpower to continue the fight and eventually win. Today it's technology. How much technology does the states posses. The guard may have some howitzers and a few tanks but the government possesses far superior technology. Line up ur tanks and they will strike from 10k ft with guided missiles. Or from ships at sea with missiles. Everyone thinks Americans would never fire on fellow Americans. Hate to break it to u but there are enough foreign nationals part of the us military to be a size able force. Also with very little propaganda and constant hammering the rebels will become the bad guy that threatens there way of life and all this country stands for. Also the first argument made is we have these weapons on military bases in our state. These soldiers will join us. Nope not gonna happen. At any sign of possible uprising to the level of a threat all equipment and personnel will be secured either by withdrawing to a more secure location or by sending in troops from areas outside the threat zone.

In the end the only possible way to accomplish any where near a civil war would be for 75% of the country to decide to do so without anyone getting the least bit of info it's coming. A secret can't stay a secret between friends much less 75% of the country.


Shotgun
Arkansas

 the guard and reserve components have the exact same technology and weapons as their active duty counter parts. its not like active duty has the m-4s and guard has toy cap guns, or active duty has hellfire missiles and the guard has bottle rockets, its all the exact same stuff, guard may have less equipment and weapons, but its the exact same stuff. there may be more of them, but there was more british soldiers than continental soldiers and militia, but the colonists still won their freedom and independence. yaw can stay bent over, taking it from the us gov, but I would rather be free, or die trying. freedom isn't free, it is earned,

I think that it could be done.. and be done without going to war. Texas has plenty of wealth, natual resources,  and industry to be independent. We also have enough people in the U.S military who could become itergrated into a Texas military. Texas has most of the gulf coast also. I could see problems as far as social security but that ihas all been stolen by our government any way. We could start a new similar program. 

If you click on the link that ive provided there is a lot of good imfo. about this subject on there.  A lot of people, including wealthy people are getting on board with this idea.

If y'all were your own country maybe you could stop losing games by teams in Oklahoma!!!
BOOMER SOONER AND THUNDER UP!!!

Lol....you know Oklahoma would just be absorbed by the new Republic of Texas.  Hardly worth calling a State anyway   >:D

That is a whole lotta border to secure.  Lots of unintended consequences in going down that path.



I disagree.  Those are U.S. properties and they would retain and staff them.  Think Guantanamo, or Europe or Japan or Korea or Iraq.  We have bases in those countries and they are U.S. sovereignty.  We didn't ask.  They were war bounty.  We staff all of them with soldiers and weaponry.  Those large military bases would be retained by the U.S.

But the reality is none of this is ever going to happen.  No politician outside of Texas would vote for it.  To try to secede without congressional agreement would result in another war.  Stop for a minute and think what your daily life would be like if there was a war  ...  in Texas.  The economy would be devastated.  Your personal life would be drastically altered.  Education systems would be disrupted.  You would have military law and soldiers patrolling the streets.  So, you couldn't work, stores would be empty, everything you know and take for granted in your daily life would be disrupted.  Hmmmm.  No thank you.

RL you make good valid points. I just think that people are fed up with the direction that our country is taking.  I still cant believe that Clinton was on the verge of being impeached for having an affair and they cant impeach Obama for completely disregardIng the constitution.

A simpler vulnerability.  Have you ever lived through a hurricane?  Days or weeks without electricity shuts down a city.  

All the U.S. military would have to do is take control of the power plants.  No electricity  ...  no economy  ...  no computers  ...  disrupted communications.  Then they simply eliminate cell phone service.  Whoa!.  Big impact to everyone.  If they controlled the major interstates they could effectively shut down not only commerce but the access/delivery of food, fuel, medicine, etc.

The battles, if any  ...  the disruption  ...  would be here, not the rest of the U.S.  We tolerate wars  (Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan) to some degree because they weren't/aren't fought on our streets.  That would not be the case.

We are a lot more vulnerable than they are.

Yessir

Yeah, we all get frustrated with politicians.  Federal level.  State level.  They all like to create their fiefdoms.

As to impeachment, I had voted for Clinton but I wrote my congressman demanding his impeachment.  

Every president since Reagan has consolidated power and likely violated the spirit of the constitution, if not an impeachable violation.  Think Iran-Contra.  Or Iraq.  I know I get annoyed with how both parties, when in power, like to circumvent laws they find inconvenient.

Pendulums swing.  We all get caught up in it.  After 911, the Rs gave U.S. government so many, many powers over us  ...  that today we feel are way over the line  ...  and even they rail against.  But at the time  ...  the pendulum was swung way over to over-protecting us.  It is a tough balancing act.

 Exactly my point. I see a government getting so big and controlling that people are bowing down in fear of retalliation.

You guys do know that out of the last 32 years, 20 of those there was a representative of Texas living in the white house right?

And many of the things that grate on people today originated under them.  Frankly, state politicians aren't much different than federal ones.  It is musical chairs.

If your a Texan, dont count on using the TX Army Reserve units.  Reserve units are Federal units; National Guard is State "owned". 

not exactly. if it were 100% state owned, it would read" texas army", not US army on the uniforms and equipment. the state guard units are federally funded just like the reserve units, but big army allots X amount of $ to the state, then it is up to the state move the $ around to the units as for reserve units, they dip right out of big army's cookie jar. the state does allocate money too, but the bulk of the money coms from the federal government.

The US Govt is not going to give Army Reserve Units, equipment, and facilities to a state.  Wont happen.  Guarantee it!!!  Another point is the Army Officers have Federal Commissions, not state.

This just contradicted your previous post of guard units being state owned. ALL commissioned officers are federal commission, including guard units. Another federal ownership to guard units is who pays the soldiers, they are paid through DFAS (defence finance accounting service). And yes, big army gives the states equipment and weapons, beans n bullets n so forth, just like puerto rico, they r not a state of the union, but a territory but they dont hav to pay federal tax, but yet are funded n supported by the US, but dont have to help support the same government that shells out millions to every yr, which is another prime example fraud waste n abuse if our tax dollars.

Re-read Charles....both of my post reference Reserve units belonging to the Federal Government, Guard Units= State. 

Yea i read that n im telling u that soldiers and officers in the state national guards ARE federaly funded n commissioned. I was in the texas army national guard and on my uniform, it says US ARMY, not TEXAS ARMY. The soldiers all get their pay from dfas. Ur contradiction is ur clain the army officers are federal officers, but every branch of the armed services has commissioned officers, who are commussioned by the US. congress, including the state guard units. The state does NOT own the guard units

Hahaha @ KevinN! Everyone's wired differently I guess. Personally though, I'd rather live in the state that gives Texas a good ole country ass whooping every time we see each other on the court /field! It sure is going to be fun watching Blake Bell make one of the them linebackers cry next Saturday!!!
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Charles, Im not going to argue with you.  It seems like you always stirring up something and arguing with somebody on here.  I was a Commissioned Officer and I know what a commission is.  My point was to those in TX that think if they try to become thier own state, dont think that TX ARNG and US Reserve Units are going to be there for TX to use as they wish.  ARNG and Reserve Units are not going to be fighting wars for TX.

 now ur changing ur story around. if you were an officer, then u should have known more about ur claim of the units. im not arguing, im throwing the bull#2 flag on ur comment, then u crawfish, now ur mad, and it seems ur stirring the pot. I feel sorry the soldiers that were under ur command during ur officer stay in the military.

Let's see .....

All time record in Football Texas leads 59-43-5

All time record in Baseball Texas leads 139-51-2

In Men's Basketball Wikidpedia says OU leads the series 48-35 but Texas is 8-2 in last 10 meetings

In Women's Basketball Texas leads 21-13


But..... I guess the success of your college sports in the last few years is all there is to be happy about if you live in Oklahoma  >:D  ;D

No we have 7 national champships to b proud of n football. How many does tx have.

This went from TX being it's own country to football lol

Foozeball is the devil, ooops, i ment football

Hahaha @KevinN whatever you wanna believe to make yourself get through another loss... It's better that you go ahead and get used to it... ITS GONNA BE QUITE SOME TIME BEFORE Y'ALL WIN AGAIN!!!

Lol...I honestly couldn't give a dang about college football/sports in general and I'm just razzing you. Your state is beautiful in some areas ...... But honestly......who wants to live there?  >:D  ;D

Hmmm......

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Ummm who won yesterday jpucket lol I bet u stuck ur foot in ur mouth now

Wait what game we talking about? Hahaha.... Really got our butts kicked. Touché

24-5 at half time????

Whaaaahaaaaahaaaaahaaaa