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Title: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: MakeEmSqueal863 on October 07, 2013, 09:09:53 am Is there any way to make a dog shorter range? Probably a dumb question but recently my dogs have gotten extremely long range, going out over half a mile...which would be awesome if they didn't catch, but they all do. I only own 3 dogs and feel like it ain't gonna be long till one of them bites the dust. Last week they caught a boar hog about 80lbs over a mile away, it was through a thick palmetto ledge and a swamp and took we'll over an hour to get there. They had killed him by then, just kinda worried they're gonna get on something rank that far and I'll be coming home with an empty dog box. Any help would be appreciated on making them shorter range! Thanks!
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: KevinN on October 07, 2013, 09:15:38 am Don't think you'll change the range ....Start running vests.
Only IDEA I have would be to run an Alpha (garmin) and start using the tone/ shock when they get to a range you don't want them to cross. Don't think I'd do it though ...just go vest. Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: Yelladogwreckincrew on October 07, 2013, 09:35:23 am Would they catch still if you hunted them independently?
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: buddylee on October 07, 2013, 09:37:27 am Try running just one or two at a time. See if they are as rough. Lotta dogs get rough in a pack. Could be one of them that initiates the catching.
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: KevinN on October 07, 2013, 09:38:05 am Would they catch still if you hunted them independently? Good thought Yella.... I would think if they are that rough they could hold a bay pretty good. Maybe 1 out dogs? Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: MakeEmSqueal863 on October 07, 2013, 09:41:43 am Guys that's the thing...they don't care who is with them they'll catch no matter what. I'm tellin ya they're almost to rank to be letting run loose, I've tried only runnin one and it's the same results the only reason I run three is so that maybe they won't get cut as bad
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: KevinN on October 07, 2013, 09:43:35 am Looks like vests are your only option then.
Then breed a little out if you don't like them that rough Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: MakeEmSqueal863 on October 07, 2013, 09:46:45 am I love them that ruff, wouldn't trade them for nothin... I just feel like they're getting to long range
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: Yelladogwreckincrew on October 07, 2013, 11:42:33 am Sounds like they hunt good. Idk how you prefer your dogs but maybe trying to back some of the rough of instead of the range would be the better route. IF it is even doable. Maybe a muzzle, rank hog, and baypen time would make them back off. I've never tried it to know if it would work. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: halfbreed on October 07, 2013, 12:36:41 pm get in better shape and keep up with the dogs ;D
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: MakeEmSqueal863 on October 07, 2013, 02:00:23 pm We catch some pretty rank hogs, i doubt the baypen thing would work with a rank hog. you'd think after being cut open a few times they'd get some common sense on big hogs but they dont...i guess the good part is im not having to buy dog food for a big bulldog ;D
And trust me, there is no possible way to keep up with them lol @halfbreed Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: hoghunter71409 on October 07, 2013, 02:24:19 pm I dont believe thier is any way to make a dog have shorter range, that is my answer to your question.
Range can be a difficult thing to breed for and I say that becuase a dog that was bred for short range can learn range thus throwing out some of the breeding traits. I think having the right amount of grit is the hardest thing to get right and maintain over a period of time. I beleive most dogs have too much or way to little grit. I hunt plotts and most people that I know prefer there plotts to be rougher than what I run. I dont want mine to be real rough for the same reason you posted. I dont want dogs with caught hogs being 1 mile away and it taking an hour to get there; I want them to bay thier buts off until I get there. Does it happens sometimes yes. I choose to have dogs with medium grit, long range and a lot of stick. I try to have dogs that are fast and I pair my dogs up based on speed so that I dont get slower dogs slung out It sounds to me and I would recommend that you hunt the dogs the way you have been hunting them and try to enjoy them for what they are. Are they going to get killed on a hog, nobody knows and nobody wants that, but it happens. Try to get some pups that are like what you want and enjoy the dogs for what they are. If your catching good rank hogs than you are doing something right. Maybe you could consider a bay type vest that would help reduce injury. Heck, I chased little pigs around a dang thicket halg the day yesterday and ended up with one lil pig. That sucks! anyway, long answer to such a short question. Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: Judge peel on October 07, 2013, 07:16:48 pm I like em rough to you just got do get there the best way you can find you a big rank rcd to run with them
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: Reuben on October 07, 2013, 07:35:38 pm since your dogs are still alive then they must be cautious when catching. Some dogs will catch and release just to keep it stopped and bayed...and will get more catchy when you get there...these type of dogs will get careless when they are super fresh or in real tight quarters and on a big boar...I had some of these type just wondering if that is what you have...
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: Muddogkennels on October 08, 2013, 05:03:12 am since your dogs are still alive then they must be cautious when catching. Some dogs will catch and release just to keep it stopped and bayed...and will get more catchy when you get there...these type of dogs will get careless when they are super fresh or in real tight quarters and on a big boar...I had some of these type just wondering if that is what you have... x2 can your dogs hear u closing in on them or know your getting close? because if my dogs spot me its cause them to caught every time.. Too me, Sounds like you dogs are working as a team an getting the job done!! In bay pens the way they stop good dogs from catching is to dock teeth just a little... Not something I would do but it's your dogs.. Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: MakeEmSqueal863 on October 08, 2013, 06:44:08 am Yeah, I love the way they hunt and find/catch hogs, no doubt. Just the range issue. @reuben I guess they would be considered smart but they're still all catch, as soon as I get there though and say "caught hog" they'll come right off, so that part of them is smart. @MudDogKennels, I don't think it has anything to do with me getting close, usually the way I know their caught is cause I hear them fightin him. About a year or so ago id have to tell them to catch, I guess with hunting more and more they have just learned to get longer range and straight catch, not complaining though...caught a ton of hogs with them just wish they'd cut back this long range hound like stuff lol
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: Cajun on October 08, 2013, 07:16:52 am There is no such thing as a perfect dog & since they dont suit you, you might as well send them to me. They sound pretty nice to me tho.lol
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: BIG CHRIS on October 08, 2013, 08:04:15 am The thing I've learned with rouugh dogs is to know the range they hunt in and when they start to work a track and carry it further. My swag dog and a few others we hunt are 250 to 500 yard dogs they hunt hard stay busy and check back in as we move along as they check in. When one of them start to move out and start running up the yards quicker then the garmin can update all hell is about to break loose. If said dog is hunting at 350 stayen busy and is then 700 quick as the garmin up dates we start to head in that direction. When our dogs go further then there normal range we know its about to be on. Our typical short to medium range dogs all of sudden go long range on us were about to be one pork...guess what I'm sayen is know how your dogs nromally hunt and when they start moven out and at a faster rate you knw its about to go down...
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: KKNOTT on October 08, 2013, 09:42:41 am How do you hunt them? Like drop at a spot and wait or road hunt them. Seems that road hunting or just dropping the dogs and riding trails and log roads takes some hunt out of them. had dogs in past that straight line hunted like a hound seems to b known for. he would stay pretty close and check in while you were moving but u stop and wait then he was gone hunting
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: MakeEmSqueal863 on October 08, 2013, 10:29:36 am They'll all wind, so usually I have one up on the box on the way into a spot and if they don't strike by the time we get there I just walk hunt them, I have road hunted them alittle but I like walking a little better. @cajun I don't get rid if dogs...they're gonna have to stay right here in my backyard lol
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: MakeEmSqueal863 on October 08, 2013, 10:31:25 am I dont believe thier is any way to make a dog have shorter range, that is my answer to your question. Range can be a difficult thing to breed for and I say that becuase a dog that was bred for short range can learn range thus throwing out some of the breeding traits. I think having the right amount of grit is the hardest thing to get right and maintain over a period of time. I beleive most dogs have too much or way to little grit. I hunt plotts and most people that I know prefer there plotts to be rougher than what I run. I dont want mine to be real rough for the same reason you posted. I dont want dogs with caught hogs being 1 mile away and it taking an hour to get there; I want them to bay thier buts off until I get there. Does it happens sometimes yes. I choose to have dogs with medium grit, long range and a lot of stick. I try to have dogs that are fast and I pair my dogs up based on speed so that I dont get slower dogs slung out It sounds to me and I would recommend that you hunt the dogs the way you have been hunting them and try to enjoy them for what they are. Are they going to get killed on a hog, nobody knows and nobody wants that, but it happens. Try to get some pups that are like what you want and enjoy the dogs for what they are. If your catching good rank hogs than you are doing something right. Maybe you could consider a bay type vest that would help reduce injury. Heck, I chased little pigs around a dang thicket halg the day yesterday and ended up with one lil pig. That sucks! anyway, long answer to such a short question. Thanks for the response helped a lot Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: MakeEmSqueal863 on October 08, 2013, 10:32:20 am Thanks for response helped a lot!
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: Bo Pugh on October 08, 2013, 08:30:38 pm I might would only hunt two at a time and that way you would always have a dog for tomorrow. It sucks to get everything whacked at one time and you would have at least one dog to train another dog with instead of having to start completely over. Just a thought
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: TheRednose on October 08, 2013, 08:40:43 pm Sounds like you have some good ones. What are they curs? My first thought was the same as halfbreeds just stay as close as you can to them but if you are walk hunting that might prove near impossible so I guess that leaves you with the option of putting good vests on them and just staying as close as possible and like hoghunter said just enjoy them, which it sounds like you are. good luck with them.
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: MakeEmSqueal863 on October 09, 2013, 06:35:28 am @Bo Pugh That's a good idea might start doing that, @TheRednose yes all yella cur dogs from cow dog bloodlines from S. Florida. Wouldn't trade the bloodline for nothing, actually planning on breeding two of them this January if anyone is interested?
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: T-Bob Parker on October 09, 2013, 09:10:28 am Get a horse.
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: jpuckett on October 09, 2013, 12:29:57 pm Man all I'll say on that is, if a dog wants to catch. He will probably always catch. I've heard of people doing it in the bay pen, being able to call a dog off of an ear. But as far as out in the woods, it's totally within their nature and if they have that ingrained in their genetics then they are probably always going to do that. I'd try vesting em and hunting off of mules or horses to try keeping up with them to extend their lives.
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: Shotgun wg on October 09, 2013, 07:11:19 pm I know this don't help but if the dogs hunt out a good piece u just have to be able to move faster to stay within range. My dogs are a mix of real rough and straight catch. If they get much over 400 I start easing up. I try to stay 4 or 500 yards. That gets tricky at times but I do my best. My dogs don't wait on me to catch. They catch at first opertunity. I won't run my RCD without a vest and the rest without cut collar and GPS on all. I road my dogs and hunt off a wheeler. This gives me the speed to get there. I will ride as close as I can until I have to get off. It's all about speed.
Shotgun Arkansas Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: TheRednose on October 09, 2013, 07:54:39 pm @Bo Pugh That's a good idea might start doing that, @TheRednose yes all yella cur dogs from cow dog bloodlines from S. Florida. Wouldn't trade the bloodline for nothing, actually planning on breeding two of them this January if anyone is interested? So they are Fla curs then, well that explains why they are so rough. I really like florida curs, do you have any pics of them? Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: TazD on October 10, 2013, 07:54:36 am Sounds like you have some good dogs for catching hogs. I hunt the same type dog. They range 300-500yds, but when they pullout farther it's time to start jogging in their direction because your about to see treed on the Garmin. I run them usually one at a time because they learn what they can handle without getting killed most of the time. Two together they will catch everything. Good luck with them and if they do not fit you any more I will buy them!! 8)
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: MakeEmSqueal863 on October 11, 2013, 08:12:29 am It won't let me upload pics for some reason, but I wouldn't sell them! Lol. If anyone on here hunts around central FL let me know and we'll go catch a couple
Title: Re: Long Range Rough Dogs Post by: hillcountry on October 11, 2013, 11:17:02 pm The only thing i can say is you better be starting some pups . I had a litter just like them they were bad to the bone, lost em a few at atime the last 3 went at the same time kilt him but he put me out of the dog trade in about 5 minutes and i did not have any replacements comeing up.
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