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Title: American Hoggers
Post by: hogdogger98 on October 22, 2013, 09:23:12 pm
Season premier tonight. They need a lot less drama and a lot more hog catching


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: KevinN on October 22, 2013, 09:41:13 pm
Let the Bashing begin!

Just enjoy it for what it is...lol.



Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: fonzie on October 22, 2013, 09:45:23 pm
Oh do I love the view ;) lol why can't my hunting buddies be that pretty lol


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: hogdogger98 on October 22, 2013, 09:53:15 pm
No bashing here! The new girl is hot. I love hearing the same ole walker dog bay every hog first that's one heck of a dog lol


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: SwampHunter on October 22, 2013, 10:59:18 pm
No bashing here! The new girl is hot. I love hearing the same ole walker dog bay every hog first that's one heck of a dog lol
X2 lol she is a looker


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: BigNoseKate on October 23, 2013, 09:43:06 am
Haven't really been able to watch due to all the drama either... Maybe if they had some hot guys on there, I'd be a tad more interested.  ;)

Matter of fact, I'd say the best lookin one is that walker.  :o :o


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: Reuben on October 23, 2013, 10:02:13 am
No bashing here! The new girl is hot. I love hearing the same ole walker dog bay every hog first that's one heck of a dog lol

Yep...I'll put my money on a good walker every tine... ;D


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: Bryant on October 23, 2013, 10:14:40 am
If you didn't like the "new girl"....pehaps this will change your mind.  I just might start watching again this season!

http://starcasm.net/archives/248582?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=photos-katie-ball-of-american-hoggers-in-fitness-bikini-competition (http://starcasm.net/archives/248582?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=photos-katie-ball-of-american-hoggers-in-fitness-bikini-competition)


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: coach on October 23, 2013, 10:42:01 am
Yeah well I lost some confidence in the decision to shoot that hog in the creek, when they were caught! Should have just jumped in there and disposed of the hog.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: MrsLouisianaHogDog on October 23, 2013, 10:49:50 am
LOL

At least there was no heavy drama, yet. I was laughing too....no matter what dogs are baying, they play the same hound bawl sound clip, haha.

I know it's sheer entertainment purposes, so it's kind of like a live cartoon if anything. I just watch it to see the dogs really, lol. Kinda like roadkill.....even though it may be nasty, ya can't help but look lmao.



Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: hogdogger98 on October 23, 2013, 11:27:19 am
The really funny part was where Krystal and Lea went into the thicket and they said the  hog wasn't caught and there was a white bulldog on the head. It just gets better and better


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: Kid7 on October 23, 2013, 01:06:11 pm
I just think that all hunters should get along and work together. I know that it's all just for entertainment and ill admit I watch it to lol. But I know lots of hog hunters that are frindley and good people that would do anything to help you and I just wish there were some hunters for everyone to watch that work together, get along and just have fun and catch hogs.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: hogdogger98 on October 23, 2013, 01:29:42 pm
I completely agree. I would not hunt with people that fight like they do. Hog hunting is all about the fun not about the fussing and fighting


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: matthewrbarnard on October 23, 2013, 04:09:07 pm
I completely agree. I would not hunt with people that fight like they do. Hog hunting is all about the fun not about the fussing and fighting

x100


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: reatj81 on October 23, 2013, 04:14:49 pm
Thanks Bryant
It is a tv show, and if I was in it I would never be first to the hog.  It would always be ladies first!   I'm sure the view would be better behind the ladies than the view of a hog!


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: pigsticker64 on October 23, 2013, 04:22:40 pm
Hey it's not too bad at least the sport is on TV and the women aren't bad thats not being to chauvnist is it?  ;D


Title: Re:
Post by: SaltyhoggerJr on October 23, 2013, 07:15:08 pm
the show is a train wreck. You just can't look away. It's entertaining I'm not gonna lie, but i don't want people thinkin that's what the actual sport is about.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: hogdogger98 on October 23, 2013, 07:46:21 pm
I talked with Robert Campbell today, and he  seems like a good guy. Just like the rest of us hog hunters I can say he honestly sounds like he knows what he is talking about. He will even tell you that it's the editors that make it look the way it does and that some of the best footage doesn't actually get on tv.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: charles on October 23, 2013, 07:49:18 pm
I talked with Robert Campbell today, and he  seems like a good guy. Just like the rest of us hog hunters I can say he honestly sounds like he knows what he is talking about. He will even tell you that it's the editors that make it look the way it does and that some of the best footage doesn't actually get on tv.

same with what randy tate and ronney creek say, them editors screw it up. them editors r bout as f-up as a soup samich


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: cantexduck on October 23, 2013, 09:38:12 pm
I am going to send you some glasses.

If you didn't like the "new girl"....pehaps this will change your mind.  I just might start watching again this season!

http://starcasm.net/archives/248582?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=photos-katie-ball-of-american-hoggers-in-fitness-bikini-competition (http://starcasm.net/archives/248582?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=photos-katie-ball-of-american-hoggers-in-fitness-bikini-competition)


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: MrsLouisianaHogDog on October 23, 2013, 11:36:39 pm
If you didn't like the "new girl"....pehaps this will change your mind.  I just might start watching again this season!

http://starcasm.net/archives/248582?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=photos-katie-ball-of-american-hoggers-in-fitness-bikini-competition (http://starcasm.net/archives/248582?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=photos-katie-ball-of-american-hoggers-in-fitness-bikini-competition)

She's a pretty girl...but...specifically in the body builder pics....she's a TAD too buff if ya ask me.....lol...but maybe guy's like buff chicks nowadays?  :-\



Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: OWL Black Mouth Curs on October 24, 2013, 02:49:07 am
If you didn't like the "new girl"....pehaps this will change your mind.  I just might start watching again this season!

http://starcasm.net/archives/248582?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=photos-katie-ball-of-american-hoggers-in-fitness-bikini-competition (http://starcasm.net/archives/248582?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=photos-katie-ball-of-american-hoggers-in-fitness-bikini-competition)

She's a pretty girl...but...specifically in the body builder pics....she's a TAD too buff if ya ask me.....lol...but maybe guy's like buff chicks nowadays?  :-\



X2. i'm not slobbering over the buff and burnt look, myself.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: Reuben on October 24, 2013, 04:33:47 am
x3...


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: charles on October 24, 2013, 07:29:11 am
If you didn't like the "new girl"....pehaps this will change your mind.  I just might start watching again this season!

http://starcasm.net/archives/248582?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=photos-katie-ball-of-american-hoggers-in-fitness-bikini-competition (http://starcasm.net/archives/248582?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=photos-katie-ball-of-american-hoggers-in-fitness-bikini-competition)

She's a pretty girl...but...specifically in the body builder pics....she's a TAD too buff if ya ask me.....lol...but maybe guy's like buff chicks nowadays?  :-\



X2. i'm not slobbering over the buff and burnt look, myself.

X3


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: hogdogger98 on October 24, 2013, 08:03:43 am
She looks a lot better with clothes on in my opinion


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: charles on October 24, 2013, 09:38:30 am
She looks a lot better with clothes on in my opinion

YEP!!!!!!


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: Shotgun wg on October 24, 2013, 10:54:50 am
Heck to me most girls look better with clothes on.


Shotgun
Arkansas


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: hogdogger98 on October 24, 2013, 11:44:39 am
Heck to me most girls look better with clothes on.


Shotgun
Arkansas
I considered my grandpa to be a smart man and he said the ugliest thing in the world to him was a naked woman.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: dodgegirl on October 24, 2013, 09:45:45 pm
Jerry’s master plan is to mold her into a better, faster, and stronger version of his daughter Krystal,

Just read that line out of the article. Boy if my pops ever said that we would have a problem.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: Shotgun wg on October 24, 2013, 10:19:53 pm
Jerry’s master plan is to mold her into a better, faster, and stronger version of his daughter Krystal,

Just read that line out of the article. Boy if my pops ever said that we would have a problem.

If ur pops was as full of it as jerry Campbell u would just laugh like she is I'm sure.


Shotgun
Arkansas


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: buddylee on October 25, 2013, 05:53:25 am
I know its tv but Some of the comments Jerry made to that girl were down right offensive.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: charles on October 25, 2013, 08:43:27 am
I know its tv but Some of the comments Jerry made to that girl were down right offensive.

Yes they were, especially to put on national tv.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: hogdogger98 on October 25, 2013, 11:04:19 am
Aw hell he's been married 60 years. She knew he was joking and like a girl that looks like her would take ole Jerry seriously anyway


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: charles on October 25, 2013, 12:11:47 pm
Aw hell he's been married 60 years. She knew he was joking and like a girl that looks like her would take ole Jerry seriously anyway

That aint the point.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: hogdogger98 on October 25, 2013, 12:26:13 pm
Aw hell he's been married 60 years. She knew he was joking and like a girl that looks like her would take ole Jerry seriously anyway

That aint the point.
The show is pure entertainment(not very good) but I watch because of dogs and hogs. First off I would not hunt with a woman unless she was my wife, the only reason they have the girls on there is for the ratings. I hate the fact they cuss so much on there too.  I also hate the fact they don't show what real hog dogging is. There are many many things wrong with the show but Katie ball didn't seem to get offend by the comments why would she? She's getting paid to listen to them. The point is its just a show


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: charles on October 25, 2013, 12:35:19 pm
 ok, your right, its just a show, who cares how the old fart is talking to her and the comments he is making, its just entertainment. I guess ethics aint part of it anymore.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: hogdogger98 on October 25, 2013, 12:45:13 pm
ok, your right, its just a show, who cares how the old fart is talking to her and the comments he is making, its just entertainment. I guess ethics aint part of it anymore.
Come on now. Someone made a post about people on here being uptight. I beginning to understand what that person was saying. My point is I'm sure she didn't care so why does it matter


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: charles on October 25, 2013, 12:54:15 pm
 im not uptight, but my pops would beat me to within an inch of my life for comments he was making. I guess I was just raised with morals.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: cantexduck on October 25, 2013, 01:51:56 pm
Ironic.



    She does look better in the show then those pictures.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: buddylee on October 26, 2013, 05:14:44 am
I'm half his age and wouldn't talk to her like that.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: MrsLouisianaHogDog on October 26, 2013, 10:29:11 am
I'm a woman, and I wasn't offended by it per se', but I do consider it 'distasteful humor' on their part, but then again, that was a big part of the entertainment factor for that episode I guess. Now in REAL life, if someone ever spoke to me like that, especially a boss of mine, someone would have a busted jaw, and it wouldn't be me.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: hogdogger98 on October 26, 2013, 02:33:02 pm
I'm a woman, and I wasn't offended by it per se', but I do consider it 'distasteful humor' on their part, but then again, that was a big part of the entertainment factor for that episode I guess. Now in REAL life, if someone ever spoke to me like that, especially a boss of mine, someone would have a busted jaw, and it wouldn't be me.
You are so funny! I like the broke jaw remarks. I honestly think if the had producers that are hunters the show would be better. I hope they are the only people that act like that while hunting. I know we don't when hunting.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: Black Smith on October 26, 2013, 06:12:05 pm
It is all about respect show or no show!!! you don't see that kind of stuff on duck dynasty!!!!


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: MrsLouisianaHogDog on October 26, 2013, 06:14:40 pm
Duck Dynasty is GREAT. Of all the Louisiana/Cajun/Swamp or southern oriented shows out there, they represent the best. Hunting, family, values.....real deal stuff.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: hogdogger98 on October 26, 2013, 07:41:49 pm
Duck Dynasty is GREAT. Of all the Louisiana/Cajun/Swamp or southern oriented shows out there, they represent the best. Hunting, family, values.....real deal stuff.
Duck Dynasty is awesome. The  Campbell's don't hold a candle to the Robertson's though. If the producers of duck dynasty produced American Hoggers it would definitely be a better show.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: MB650 on October 26, 2013, 08:02:09 pm
Duck Dynasty is GREAT. Of all the Louisiana/Cajun/Swamp or southern oriented shows out there, they represent the best. Hunting, family, values.....real deal stuff.
Duck Dynasty is awesome. The  Campbell's don't hold a candle to the Robertson's though. If the producers of duck dynasty produced American Hoggers it would definitely be a better show.

I think the Robinson's keep the producer and A&E in line. They already told A&E if the took out the praying they were quitting the show.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: charles on October 26, 2013, 08:08:37 pm
 I never could get into duck dynasty. it just nvr tickled my fancy. iv tried watching it, and would rather hit my finger with a hammer instead, but hey, I don't turn my tv to it. as long as its entertainment for others who like, good deal


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: Reuben on October 26, 2013, 08:12:01 pm
I never could get into duck dynasty. it just nvr tickled my fancy. iv tried watching it, and would rather hit my finger with a hammer instead, but hey, I don't turn my tv to it. as long as its entertainment for others who like, good deal

same here...Duck Commanders was quite a bit better IMO...


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: MrsLouisianaHogDog on October 26, 2013, 08:19:01 pm
I never could get into duck dynasty. it just nvr tickled my fancy. iv tried watching it, and would rather hit my finger with a hammer instead, but hey, I don't turn my tv to it. as long as its entertainment for others who like, good deal

same here...Duck Commanders was quite a bit better IMO...

Duck Commanders? Was that a show?


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: Reuben on October 26, 2013, 08:23:37 pm
same guys as Duck Dynasty...it was a 30 minute hunting show every Saturday morning...it was seasonal as well...about this time of year


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: MrsLouisianaHogDog on October 26, 2013, 08:37:04 pm
same guys as Duck Dynasty...it was a 30 minute hunting show every Saturday morning...it was seasonal as well...about this time of year

Ooooh ok, I'm surprised I never saw that


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: charles on October 26, 2013, 08:45:52 pm
 never could get into blasting birds. not enough meat for the wear n tear on my shoulder. to much effort for very little meat yield. i guess that's the main reason i have no interest in bird hunting shows.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: BigFool on October 26, 2013, 09:01:43 pm
never could get into blasting birds. not enough meat for the wear n tear on my shoulder. to much effort for very little meat yield. i guess that's the main reason i have no interest in bird hunting shows.

So hunting for hogs must be real easy and raising/feeding/training dogs??? They both require a lot of effort with hopes of yielding meat, and hog hunting is way more physical on the body in comparison to bird hunting. But like in other threads to each his own, and the hunting spots make a world of difference.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: BigFool on October 26, 2013, 09:04:25 pm
But I will say I do not enjoy duck dynasty, at first yes but now seems rehearsed to me.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: charles on October 26, 2013, 09:32:48 pm
never could get into blasting birds. not enough meat for the wear n tear on my shoulder. to much effort for very little meat yield. i guess that's the main reason i have no interest in bird hunting shows.

So hunting for hogs must be real easy and raising/feeding/training dogs??? They both require a lot of effort with hopes of yielding meat, and hog hunting is way more physical on the body in comparison to bird hunting. But like in other threads to each his own, and the hunting spots make a world of difference.

1 bird=3-4oz of meat, 6oz at most, 1 meal. 1 good hog, 100-150lbs of meat, a chit load of meals. Gee, even a 4th grader can do the math. Evidently u cant.
Oh, n iv got the land for pleanty of dove, could have filled my freezer full, but i dont care to hunt them.
Oh n yea to each their own, u keep shooting birds n ill leave my busted shoulder alone.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: BigFool on October 26, 2013, 09:55:48 pm
When you kill 1500-2000 DUCKS out of three blinds it equals a little more than that. But what we do it for the experience, like going on dry runs with dogs still put work in and enjoy the experience. Also no disrespect was not picking a argument, have total respect for what you have done for this country.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: charles on October 26, 2013, 10:11:39 pm
 no worries, its good. I will go out and help retrieve the dove, ducks n such, but I myself will not partake in the shooting, I personally don't have any inclination to do it. it aint always about the shooting, but more the comrade amongst friends. 2000 birds, yielding 4oz each of meat totals to 500lbs total. 4 good hogs will yield close to that, no beating on the shoulder, but its still again not the kill, but the hunt its self. iv been on dry runs numerous times and enjoy them hunts as much as I do when we catch hogs. the guys I hunt with, I wouldn't trade for anything. they are good folks, just as your bird hunting friends.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: TexasHogDogs on October 27, 2013, 12:37:16 am
I got to say I like watching the American Hoggers show.  Yeah some of it is off and not accurate but O well it is a hell of a lot better that a ton of trash that is on TV these days.

Not bad I get a kick out of it myself .


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: brandeek1 on October 29, 2013, 11:09:12 pm
Seeing American Hoggers and not being impressed at all! but to see the pink thong on that chick Katie was disgraceful. The filthy talk too. What a disgrace to real hog hunters.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: Shotgun wg on October 29, 2013, 11:48:21 pm
Tonight was probly the best episodes I've seen. They showed lots more of the dogs working and actually caught a couple decent pigs. Not much drama either in comparison. I wanted the slap that ol gal in the back of the head tho when she acted like she was gonna shoot the hog with dogs in the way .


Shotgun
Arkansas


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: SnF bucking bulls on October 29, 2013, 11:57:16 pm
Tonight was probly the best episodes I've seen. They showed lots more of the dogs working and actually caught a couple decent pigs. Not much drama either in comparison. I wanted the slap that ol gal in the back of the head tho when she acted like she was gonna shoot the hog with dogs in the way .


Shotgun
Arkansas
i agree. best episode yet. plus....you get to see katies thong for sec ;D


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: hillbilly on October 30, 2013, 02:28:46 am
Tonight was probly the best episodes I've seen. They showed lots more of the dogs working and actually caught a couple decent pigs. Not much drama either in comparison. I wanted the slap that ol gal in the back of the head tho when she acted like she was gonna shoot the hog with dogs in the way .


Shotgun
Arkansas
i agree. best episode yet. plus....you get to see katies thong for sec ;D
agreed best episodes i have seen


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: mdj Hoggers on October 30, 2013, 07:54:56 am
Yeah well I lost some confidence in the decision to shoot that hog in the creek, when they were caught! Should have just jumped in there and disposed of the hog.
x2


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: TChunter on October 30, 2013, 09:17:18 am
I'm a woman, and I wasn't offended by it per se', but I do consider it 'distasteful humor' on their part, but then again, that was a big part of the entertainment factor for that episode I guess. Now in REAL life, if someone ever spoke to me like that, especially a boss of mine, someone would have a busted jaw, and it wouldn't be me.
Yes! lol


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: Hoax on October 30, 2013, 08:56:20 pm
I don't have satellite or cable so I have never seen the show. It sounds like what is on most tv these days. I was at the sell today and one of the guys there had them come out to his ranch to hunt. He said they came out, spent two days in the bar then brought out their air conditioned trailer let the hogs out gave them a head start then let the dogs out after them. Was done filming and the whole shebang in a couple of hours. He says the antics and stuff didn't bother him but when they brought their own hogs that chapped him a bit. I told him I would come hunt his hogs, he wasn't interested :)


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: colecross on October 31, 2013, 08:51:31 pm
My 2 cents,i think it is a disgrace to hog hunting with dogs.as for as entertanment i like it,jerry shouldnt say the things he does,and the hogs they strike do the same thing ever strike,come to louisana and strike a few here.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: MrsLouisianaHogDog on October 31, 2013, 08:55:24 pm
My 2 cents,i think it is a disgrace to hog hunting with dogs.as for as entertanment i like it,jerry shouldnt say the things he does,and the hogs they strike do the same thing ever strike,come to louisana and strike a few here.

Haha....they did once....and it didn't go very well....


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: hog bit on November 02, 2013, 08:39:01 am
I am willing to bet Jerry didn't "find" Katie Ball anywhere.  I would imagine she was handpicked by the producers.  I am also willing to bet that Jerry comments were either scripted or at least encouraged by the producers.  Even if that is what happened Jerry could have taken the high road.  The Cambells are obviously in this for fame and money.  They are not in it to promote hog dogging.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: pigsticker64 on November 14, 2013, 09:55:57 am
Still good entertainment...


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: MrsLouisianaHogDog on November 14, 2013, 11:01:24 am
I felt so bad when Krystal accidentally ran over her dog.....glad he made out okay.


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: jon on November 14, 2013, 01:06:03 pm
Y does it always start out a hound bawl on strike when there's just bmc on the ground


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: Reuben on November 14, 2013, 06:40:34 pm
Y does it always start out a hound bawl on strike when there's just bmc on the ground

cause it is a walker dog in disguise... ;)


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: Shotgun wg on November 14, 2013, 08:15:56 pm
Because the producers and editors don't care and John Q. Public thinks that is how it really happens.


Shotgun
Arkansas


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: jon on November 14, 2013, 09:42:27 pm
It drives me crazy!


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: Shotgun wg on November 14, 2013, 10:34:43 pm
U think that drives u crazy. I know guys that have ran the same dogs for a year and still don't know what dog is opening.


Shotgun
Arkansas


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: Dedication07 on November 18, 2013, 08:19:28 am
U think that drives u crazy. I know guys that have ran the same dogs for a year and still don't know what dog is opening.


Shotgun
Arkansas
We must no the same people! I like am hoggers and duck dyn! I don't agree with certain things and obviously no half of it's fake, it's not my decision how there show is produced!


Title: Re: American Hoggers
Post by: Bowhunter1994 on November 18, 2013, 08:47:00 am
It's all TV boys and girls.
It ends up being that everything is staged and every hog is let go..
I find it weird how you see people in the background running away from the bay ; as soon as they are driving up to the bay.
I have seen this several times, you also see other trucks in there.
Why would they're be extra people there without a camera in hand???


It's the same hound bawl every single time!
Listen to the girls bawl and Jerry's dogs bawl and they are exactly the same!!!