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What are y'all's thoughts on going after a dog killer?

Specifically a Boar that's killed multiple (5 or more) dogs from multiple hunts. Dogs that are anywhere from catchy to just strong bay dogs. This Boar nearly cleaned a guys pack out over the past year and killed a couple more belonging to another guy.

I AM NOT calling anyone out. Just trying to get a feel for how some of you would handle the situation.

I would...for sure...want retribution, but how far do you go? I'm not sure what I would do. Honestly...veteran or newby...you've got a limited number of dogs....do you keep throwing dogs at him till you've got nothing left but pups? Or do you swallow your pride and resort to a gun (no dogs) until you get him.

Still not sure what I'd do.

 to much time and money is involved to just walk away. screw pride, shoot the dang thing. I think it would honestly be better to have 1 maybe 2 bay dogs at most to find the a-hole and just shoot him to keep the dogs safe

That's the ones I want an opportunity at most.  It's for no other purpose then it's something I enjoy, it has nothing to do with saying I have better dogs, bragging, or anything else.

Most likely if it's a boar, and I catch it, it's going to become a Barr, dog killer or not.

A lot of variables go into this,  if I could guarantee I knew where this hog I would turn kick some strike dogs that were loose baying.  Once they get em stopped have 3  catch dogs at the ready and be right behind em.  I think the key to gettin a big hog is for the handlers to be right in there to help your dogs.  Lots of times a big hog can and will fight of dogs before anyone can get a leg on him.  The best chance is the first chance.  Just my 2 pennies

 I would vest my dogs and take some hobbles and go catch him.

I hear what your saying Ben but you didn't answer the question. If YOU lost 3 dogs in a year and were down to 1 dog and some pups and your buddy lost 2 dogs to the same boar....what are you gonna do?

Unless your talking about catch vests...it don't matter. I've had a dogs chest cut into THROUGH a bay vest. Bad hog in a bad spot and a vest ain't no guarantee.

I BELIEVE this Boar bayed a few times...broke a few times...I believe he killed 2 of these dogs ON the break. He broke as the CD's were coming in and caught the dogs on the way out.

Find some friends with more dogs.  Lay the story on em like you did us.  If they are willing to help more power to em.

He's def a smart mofo!  Couldn't say,  a little prayer wouldn't hurt either!!!

From what I understand he shows up from time to time. When he does get struck he travels a LARGE circle. Stops at certain spots to fight and he DOES know how to fight.

Would u feel bad about taking a knife to a gun fight?

If a hog started slaying my dogs I would be after him with a m1 a1 if that's what it took. Call me what u will but when I want revenge I will use what ever it takes to win.

My dad always said if ur out powered or out numbered find an equalizer. No such thing as a far fight.


Shotgun
Arkansas

I'm gonna put that one dog on the ground with a pup and go after him. And I can rest assured my buddy would do the exact same. 

I've been down to nothing but pups before and have bad quite a few dry runs with just pups, so if I've got to do it again I will.

I hear you shotgun and I lean that way as well....at the same time, and maybe this is just pride talking....but it would be a hell of a story if it ended with catching that SUM BIATCH with a son or daughter of your best dog.

It would make a good story but it would also make a sad one as well if u lost every dog u had and all ur buddies dogs as well.

Pride is a terrible thing when others pay the price.




Shotgun
Arkansas

Heroes get remembered but legends never die!!!

loose bay dog and walk in from the down wind side with a rifle

Pretty smart plan there Reuben

X2, why intentionally get ur dogs killed or cut down just for pride. we ask the dogs to go hunt, by why ask them to go on a suicide mission? they don't know its a suicide mission, but the owner of the dog/s do, and it don't show good sense or care for the dogs, knowingly turning them out on a hog that has and will continue to kill dogs until he is killed.
I guess dogs are expendable and easily replaceable

Been there and done it.
    Two dogs and a gun got it done. 365 lb boar.

Easy question to answer hunting behind the keyboard, different story in the woods with real decisions to face.

I hunt hogs for fun and I protect my dogs as much as I can.  Ive learned that some of the best dogs are the dogs that live the longest; the longer they are alive, the more they learn and the better they sharpen their skills.  If I were down to some pups, I would not turn them loose on a rank hog that has killed before.  Depending on what old dog I had left, Id probably try to bay him and shoot with my 30-30 or get him running across a road and knock him down that way.  My goal would be to get the hog caught or killed and have enough dogs to hunt the next day.

Yeah...pretty good plan

As far as baying and shooting....think that's the direction these guys are leaning. Take bulldogs in case it's something else...but have the. 30-30 as well...if it's the big boy.

You know...losing dogs is always the gamble we take...on every hunt.

I know some guys are ALWAYS packing. Not a bad idea.

 Only way you find out a hog is a dog killer is after he kills your dog. That equalizer on your hip or slung across your back can solve a lot of that I guess.....provided your willing to do the things necessary to see the hog before you unsnap. Then again...that's just not possible 100% of the time.

Such is life

There are many way to look at this I have been on some dog killers and one that should have killed the dogs but you take this risk every time you unload the truck. If they run they can kill the dog that keeps up if the stop they can run thru a pack in my opion good catch and hold is the key but you have to get there fast if they are going to kill your dog they will do it with or without a rifle so I hunt scared but respectfull of my prey and he best do the same I am ready for battle at every creek cedar flat or what every luck is dedication determination placed against opportunity jmo 

I would bay it with a few loose dogs and walk in with a gun and give him blew eyes.

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Ditto

I'd bay him and cut two bulldogs to him like I do any other big hog. The key is being right there behind the bulldogs when they catch.

A lot of these "dog killers" are because of dogs being caught too long in my opinion.

this would be my other choice as well...just release 2 good catch dogs from up close...no gritty bay dogs...

It's my understand this dude was never caught

X2 within 50yds cut em and run like hell behind em and tackle/leg that sob

 

Exactly!

I wouldn't shoot him unless that's how I always hunted. Taking your dogs to catch that hog would not be a suicide mission for them it would be taking them to do what you feed them for. Their hunting dogs not pets. If the hog was standing in the median on the interstate that would be a suicide mission.  I've been on a few hunts where dogs were killed and just did it like every other hog if I could I would bring it home take a picture and let it go for another day.

Bozo and a gun!!!

im most folks don't feed dogs just to throw them to the lions. knowingly just turning loose to see if the dogs do their job or if you come back a few dogs lite is stupid, if you cared about your dogs in the first place. do a role reversal and put yourself in the dogs shoes and tell me you would do the exact same, go in knowing your gonna get killed. there is a chance everytime of turning loose, but turning loose in the area where the dog killer is know to roam about and that is his territory, his backyard the proper thing to do for your dogs is do the best to protect them, just like you ask them to protect you and your family.
i guess i actually give a damn about my dogs. 

I just don't agree with this Charles...Bo never said he didn't care about his dogs and sure don't act like it, but I definitely agree with Bo.

There could be a dog killer around every corner but that sure don't mean anything or going to keep me from hunting.  There's no role reversal, I raise dogs to catch hogs and that's simple.  I don't guess most agree with actually putting your hands on a "dog killer" and then barring him and cutting him back loose, but that's just how it works for me and mine.  Nobody has to agree with it, but it sure aint gonna make me quit but I won't have it said nobody takes care of their dogs because we expect more outta them then the average person.

Agreed!! Got to back your dogs up. We catch a number 2 ton of bad hogs and we don't lose dogs but we are in there with them when it goes down

 
You don't look too fleet of foot lol :) You may want to make that about 15 yards before you cut them loose. If he's a killer he's gonna know what to do and you need to back them up



Personally these are the ones we want to catch!! I'm ready

 I wouldn't stop either ben, but im not gonna throw my dogs to the wolves just to catch him. I do agree to keep hunting, but do the best you can do to keep the dogs safe. again, the possibility of loosing a dog is always around the corner, but do every means possible to help the dogs. just feeding, watering and meds aint the end of caring for the dog/s, care falls into all phases of ownership of them and nowhere does it mean keep sending dogs to a slaughter house, its not the roman coloceum with gladiators and spectators cheering on the slaughter. yours and his way aint wrong by no means, but for the safety of the dog/s it aint the best way.

People!!! Read the entire thread... Lol.

I don't have anything to do with this hog...just a hog and some boys I know of that are dealing with him.

As I said BEFORE....I don't THINK the CD's have EVER made contact with this hog (successfully anyway). I don't care if your hangin off the Bulldogs tail... If he can't get an ear... It doesn't matter how fast you are or how close you release.

Personally I don't go in the woods unarmed. I have shot a big bad boar that cut the catch dogs throat and 4 bay dogs. This same hog the best of our knowledge killed 9 dogs prior. Reason we think it was this hog. Has not been another dog killed since. We didn't turn loose to get that hog. Actually dropped on a sow killed her then got on him when the dogs went back in. I'm not gonna stop running a place because of a bad hog but I will be looking for him. Dog on the ground or not if I get the chance he is gonna die. I understand loseing a dog is possible at any time. But to not go in with every tool possible to get the job done is out of the question. That was 1 of 2 hogs that shooting is what had to be done. All of those dogs survived. Unlike the first 9.


Shotgun
Arkansas

2 big straight catch dogs and a pit. Dump 200 lbs on any boar and he's a caught butt. Tie him up.  A big boar or barr is worth at least $150 to me.

Kevin it's hard to answer your question. But if I was dealing with one like that where I hunt I would put two loose dogs on him. Sounds like he runs a little and waits around the corner so I think two would be good because they wouldn't be running in to each other when they was being charged and the dog that wasn't being charged could maybe turn the hog back around off the other dog. And the more he runs the better it will be he can't fight to much with his tongue hanging outt.
Charles I don't see where going catch that hog would be stupid or throwing them to the wolves I could see if the hog was in a 4x8 pen that would be number 2ty. I like to catch big hogs not pigs I don't see how that makes me not care about my dogs.hunting them around deer hunters or where people have out coyote poised or foot traps or busy highways is crazy and it is our responsibility to take care of them and keep them out of them situations but going after a hog like that is part of hunting. I don't know what kind of terrain the hog is in but around here two ruff dogs would be bad on a hog like this because 99% of the time it's going to be over a mile away and take atleast 1 hour to get to it he's probably be walked off by then. Good luck Kevin hope your buddy's get him we'd like to see a pic

keep after him. definately wouldn't quit hunting a spot just because he is around

  YA sounds like a job for july hounds an put that boar hog in the dirt with a gun!

I would take some loose bay dogs an some sure enough catch dogs ...... Personally I would take the smallest catch dogs I could find small like Patterdale or jag or small pit , that way I believe it's harder to cut a small dog if you have 3 or 4 of them at once , it's gonna be hard for him to kill them an they all let go before some one gets there hands on him ,

I wouldn't kill him once I caught him , he has fought this hard to live why kill him now ?? I cut his nuts an let him go ,

  I hunt for the sport of it & catching or trying to catch hogs like that is what it is all about to me. Just me, but shooting a hog takes away from the sport of catching them alive. I grew up where it was taboo to shoot a hog & that is just me.
 A hog that wins & keeps on winning has my respect & it just makes me try harder or I  change strategies . Sure, you hate it when you lose dogs & get them busted up but that is all part of the game.
  I would do like suggested & use looser baying dogs with a very good catchdog or two.
  We had a hog like this a few years ago & it took a couple or three years to catch him again & boy did he leave a bunch of dead & cut dogs in that time period. I will post that story on a different thread.
  Good luck to your buddies Kevin.

That's the way I would do it!!

A hog like that too learns where to bay so he can beat the dogs , if you make him break a few times an put enough heat on him he will start slipping up an maybe bay some where more dog friendly

Kevin correct me if I am wrong, but you said the hog runs far awhile and stops at the same spot all the time? Or close to it?


If this is correct AMBUSH the SOB. Either send in loose baying dogs after having a guy go in and wait hours before you release like deer hunting or have a group of guys with sure nuff quiet catchdogs and several of them waiting for his ass. We have done this before on a hog that we were having trouble stopping he would run, fight, run, fight, and the catchdogs never got to him. He always ran the same way so we had my dad and a friend waiting with extra dogs about a mile up from where we always struck him. Once struck we sent everything we had to the bay like always. Only difference is my dad and friend waited until they could hear the fight and bay good and sent in catch from the other way and caught his ass.

In my yrs in the woods,and with a dog killer,ive caught a few,but i just shoot them,send them to hell.if iam hunting him he has killed my dogs.so thats put hin as my enemy,was taught at a young age if you step on my shoes,i stomp on urs.will post a story of a dog killer that i watched kill 5 my dogs,i lost count how many he cut,3 yrs i chased him.

I'm with Ben. I would want to catch him, cut em and turn em loose. That's what I want to catch, the one that everyone says can't b caught. As for what or how I would do it, I would do it the same way I do the other ones.

A hog is not a dog killer until it kills a dog and THAT can happen anytime u turn loose. If it was me I would treat just like I do any other hog turn em loose an haul a$$ behind em. Just bc it's killed a dog before don't mean it will kill any in the next pack that gets on him. Any descent boar with descent teeth CAN kill one. I had one dog get killed few years ago an I still caught the hog

Read the entire thread!!!

First off, sorry to hear about the 2 packs being almost wiped out!
I am not a expert and I do not have the best dogs, but I have caught more of my big boars just using one solid bay dog and a catchdog. To many dogs and most boars will break and try and string the dogs out and take them on one at a time. They got big from being smart! Probably the same thing I would do if I was being hunted by a bunch of people!! Like Rambo did in the movie when being hunted in the mountains, string them out and pick them off one at a time!!
I would have my best bay dog out and slip in down wind when he got him bayed. Get as close as you could without him buggering out and turn 2 BMFing catchdogs to him, haul ass to the catch and throw and tie!!
The other option is the same scenerio but instead of catchdogs I would have a FNAR slip in after bayed and give him a dirt nap!!
Had the same thing happen to me last year. Big bad boar hog that flat whooped other packs asses. Got a invite to try him. My 2 dogs get him stopped, slip up on him down wind and sneaky, turn catchdog to him, he kills my catchdog on the spot, charges me and hauls ass. My dogs restop him while I try and save my catchdog. Land owner finally catches up to me and says we need to get the hog off the property, goes to his truck, comes back with a pistol, we slip up on the bay down wind and I put one in his eye!! Would of prefered trying to catch him but did not have another catchdog and he was not going to live another day if I could do something about it!!
Good luck regardless of what you decide to do.

any boar hog can kill a dog at any given time and that is true but it does not happen very often...it happens because we make a wrong decision when turning the catch dog loose at the wrong time or the dogs get too rough on that hog...sometimes the dogs get rough because they are fresh out of the box and they will be more apt to throw caution to the wind at that time...or they get caught up in a tight place where they can't maneuver and get a bad hit etc...etc...and then there is the occasional hog that sets up to try and kill a dog or a dog pack...and as long as they can get away will continue to do the same...this hog has a different mindset of the average boar hog...just like any one else it is my opinion from what I have seen and a few stories I have been told over the years...

I hear you Reuben and from what I've been told...it's that type of Boar

I also grew up in a time wen we only killed a barr,and that was after we caught him,drug him home ,feed him out.daddy beat me at a young age dont be killing them hogs,we caught everything in the woods.lost dogs,but thats the chance u take,had a yard full of young dogs ready to step up.we never took a gun.so to me ive caught a few in my days,have a dog grave yard with 50 dead hogdogs in it,most died from a hogs tooth.few died of old age.i would rather bay with 2 loose dogs and shoot him.and all live to fight another day.

Sounds like a good hog, that's been educated , a couple good dogs stand back out of harms way , and if he wants to run let him wear hisself out, and like was said before 2 catch dogs and be right behind um, i like to run garmin collars on my catch dogs too and has helped several times on a good one blowing out and turning in to wreck with catch dogs catching further out,  good luck with him

i just assume shoot him if hes goin through dogs like that.

Give him a bullet to the dome

I would do this

What is one hog? Why take a chance on loosing a dog over one hog. If he runs the same route put a bullet in him. And catch more hogs with same dogs! We have a similar deal goen on. We've had him caught once and couldn't get to him fast enough. We didn't loose any dogs but my dog took the beating. And the boar doesn't have any ears now. We strike him in the same spot and he's taken my swag dog on a chase twice since the first time. Last time he knocked my buddys dog smooth out. Our game plan is turn one dog loose let him strike the hog when it breaks were gonna shoot him when he cross's the clear cut. I don't have to catch every hog with a dog. And I sure wouldn't keep sending my dogs in on a known dog killer. I would punch his time card for him and keep on hunting. There is always gonna be more hogs with out haven a head ache over one. And to me it doesn't make munch sense to turn one back loose... to each his own. My dogs life isn't worth my pride of catch a dog killer and loosing one of them.

I'd hunt him every day I could go.
One or two loose bay dogs and 2 or 3 big catchdogs...

once you know how he runs one can make a plan...

used to be a big sow would run straight to where 3 pastures cornered up to each other and the cattle would all gather there from the 3 different properties...this big old sow would make a run thru all those cows and some of the young dogs would go to baying cows and then she would make a run through a neighborhood about 3/4 of a mile away...We figured it was a big boar until we caught it and it turned out to be a big sow about 3 hundred pounds worth...and after 5 or 6 tries...her escape route was always the same...

If a hog comes to my house and breaks in, then I'll shoot him!!!!   If I go looking for him then he has a right to defend himself and I expect he will to the best of his ability. 

Lmao

Got on one, one afternoon thay was a sure nuff smart ol boar hog.  This hog let us walk right by him while the two dogs (my young curxbulldog and a buddies seasoned cur) winded a smaller boar bout 125.  The small one lit out under a fence and across a pasture.  We were able to call the dogs back before we got in trouble.  We continued on to a cypress head and probably didn't go 75 yrds when I noticed my dog wasn't with us.  I figured he went back to the truck so I told my buddy to walk the other dog in the head and I'd go get Odis.  Bout that time we heard Odis bark once behind us.  We haul butt to  him and watch him hit this man of a boar hog just as pretty as can be, locked right on the ear.  Well, that ol hog must have been through this before.  He rolled like an ol gator and through Odis off.  They both stood up and looked at each other for a sec and the hog broke to the fence line with both dogs on his heels.  Hog gets to a patch of palmettos right on the fence to stand his ground.  Sounds like they have him caught and we head in.  We're almost there and both dogs come flying out dang near head high.  After that the dogs kept trying that ol hog, circling best they could,  but there was only one way in.  Everytime that ol hog met them head on and it sounded like two old bulls smacking heads.  We finally called it off and luckily only got one dog cut and it wasn't bad.  We still talk bout that night.  Them ol hogs don't get that big by being dumb, and they get purdy dog smart if run a lot

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