EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I have a friend that's always saying that a dog couldn't take him down an he could kill a dog attacking him without a weapon, an I all ways tell him he would s##t his pants with pain if he got attacked an after seeing some of those bulldogs especially on a pig, I think u would be lucky not to get your arm broken if it had a hold of u. He's a big guy 6"5 240 odd lb but I still don't think he would have a chance. What u think?

I have heard people say the same thing. I was attacked by a boxer when I was young like to have killed me in just a few seconds luckily my cousin was there to help i had two surgerys and over 300 stitches but I was a kid might not been as bad if I was grown. A shep or Doberman would shred his but up easly he might have a better chance hurting a pit if it locked on that is if he can take the pain but I really dought it

I'd have to say if one of my full grown dogos attacked someone it would be nasty. Just when playing they can easily over power me and not even know it. I can't imagine if they were mad and wanted to hurt someone. I had a friend who was messing with me & play hit my side, one of my dogs did not like that and was airborne I thank god everyday that when I yelled down he hit the floor. Sounds to me that your friend is playing the "macho man role"

Do the world a favor and have your buddy neutered.

We breed, train, and sell Belgian Malinois and German Shepherds for personal protection, detection, & some go in to the military. Your friend wouldn't want to try taking on a dog whose job is to take him down. We have a male Malinois that is 3 yrs old who was just retired from overseas that is an awesome dog at bite work and bomb detection. He is super smart, but was sent back here to the US because after he catches and takes down the insurgents he likes to rip out private parts once they quit moving (I don't see a problem with it if he is being put on afghans.) Even when the insurgents have weapons, the majority of the time the dog wins.
 
On another note, I let one of our female Malinois see a hog about 180lbs when she was a little less than a year old and she would bay the hair of one. They cost too much for me to risk hunting but I plan on breeding that male Malinois that came from overseas to one of my birddog crosses to experiment a little and see if I cant create a Superdog!  :o

I AM NOT saying I could do it. Just a story and opinion.

I was assigned to the 1st Ranger Bn. In the Army. I was Lucky enough to attend a few schools, one being S.E.R.E. (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape)

This is a school that teaches you how to survive behind enemy lines...cut off from friendly troops, it teaches you evasion techniques (with a small focus on dealing with dogs), it teaches resistance to interrogation techniques and it teaches you escape strategy/planning.

If you are properly trained...if you know how tracking/guard/attack dogs work and you are prepared for them, if you have that knowledge and you use it....along with the adrenaline pump to ease the pain.....I think you stand a better chance at defeating them.

We were taught to find something resembling a knife....wrap the arm as best you can and when the time comes....offer the arm and have the "knife" ready in the other hand.

May work, may not but I think you would stand a better chance than the average thug/Taliban, lol.

On a side note....one of the dogs used in our training was a Malinoise gyp. Small dog...45-50 lbs but good lord....fast as lightening. A volunteer was in a full suit....40 yards head start...he got 3 steps before she hit him....bit him 3 times before he hit the ground. She ended up on his neck.

I definitely wouldn't try to run, lol.

Yeah forget that stuff!!! I'll just leave that to Johnny Knoxville and those crazy idiots!!!  LMAO

Depending on the breed and person, I'm sure there's the chance of beating a dog off of you. But, I've been to the military's top dog competition where they have Belgian Malinois drag a plastic doll the size and weight of a grown man then take down a guy in a bite suit on the run, with ease.  Not saying it cant be done, but if it were so easy to throw a off a dog then we wouldn't use them for the jobs we do.

In my little scenario were not talking about throwing a dog or beating it off. We're talking about GIVING it your arm and KILLING it with your free hand.

Still a tall order  rolleyes

I have a video on my computer at home of me in a bite suit working with a few dogs I will try to post later tonight. If I knew a dog was coming and I had a weapon I believe I may stand a chance, but with no weapon I would be through! lol Overseas in a real world situation the dogs are usually used at night and are on the taliban before they realize it.

I have a few friends that work dogs in the military and I had the opportunity to see a few Infrared helicopter videos that were looking down on our guys working with the dogs in the field. The taliban were postitioned out in fields and our men would send the dogs out ahead of them and the dogs would hunt out a ways and nail the taliban when they got there. Our guys do not get in any hurry to get to the dogs as they have to make sure the area is safe to approach so a lot of the time the dog pretty much had the job finished before our guys got to them. Very cool to watch.

Awesome

My dad trained and bred German Shepherd Dogs for a while when I was growing up. They did a sport called Shutzand (sp?) which is basically a series of tests the Germans developed to test their dogs. Bite work, tracking and obedience as well as confirmation tests in the show ring.  Someone with zero experience with those dogs has zero chance when one wants you down. I can't imagine how I'd actually react when it came down to it. Offering the arm and striking with a knife in the off hand is obviously ideal but that dog is hitting you at like 30+ MPH. You're gonna end up on your back with a machine literally bred to kill you (if that's what's asked of it) on top of you. And it will die trying. I'd like to say I'm surviving that encounter but I'd feel a whole hell of a lot better with my Glock 23.

Lol.  True, but with that free arm you didn't willing give and no weapon, sure you'd choose to be beating that dog off.  John Wayne can do it, maybe your friend can.  And he was only 6''4.     ;)

I totally support using dogs of war, that'd be awesome to see. Post that video, I have been told it's like a train hits you in a bite suit.

I have zero experience with this kind of stuff but from the videos I have seen it seems the dogs grab a  arm an hold on , so with a knife one cut an the dog would be dead throat or jugular would put him out of business ,

With no weapon your options are choking it out , breaking its neck , or getting the dog off his feet
If you see the dog coming an meet him with same attitude as he was coming at you with I believe your chances are pretty good to kill the dog , all he was is a mouth no claws like a bear or big cat.
My dad always told me if you control the head the rest is gonna follow


Work the dogs head an neck get on top of the dog or get him off his feet an its done

It is real easy to assume you can take one out until he has you in the arm pit and you feel the pain and almost instant shock.

That's a solid plan. And I'd say this is one of the few online forums whose has a majority of subscribers capable of that kind of reaction. Though meeting that dog with the same kind of intensity it's bringing to you is easier said than done. It will be running towards you faster than you can ever imagine moving (no offense, but I doubt you're a world class sprinter) it won't be afraid or mad, you can't hurt it at all, not to mention if it grabs you and holds on until its told to release then it gets a tennis ball for a reward. It's motivation is something you can't fathom, you don't love anything the way that dog has been trained to love that ball. Those working GSD's are something else and I pity the man on the receiving end of that kind of intensity.

This was an 8 mo young dog...when they get you right were he has me ...it hurts bad lol...and not much you can do from there.

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Huey.....this is Bill tolsons sons arm after a friends Dogo attacked him in the kennel,he was alone and had to slam its head in the door repeatedly to break him off,imagine if he was down and that was his throat!!!! Show your ignorant buddy this!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dang, that looks rough.

I got bit on the face and neck I can tell you you will go in shock right quick the thing that is scary is if they are trained to bite and let go to get another spot sheps have 750 psi of bite ouch

The weapon thing is a good idea, however the trainers in my dept train the dogs to go for the weapon hand not the off hand.  of course not all the dogs do it, but ive seen it with my own eyes with a bank robber, shepherd and a 357.  dog won.

I have been bitten by a 50lb game bred pit on the calf once. Ain't no breaking that kind of dog off by yourself. I could only imagine the places he could have re-gripped. My buddies had to pull the dog off of me. The dog took my skin and the section of pants with him. I passed out on the way to the hospital.

Holy s**t! Any idea on why the dog did it?

Yes...Because he is a crazy cull that should have been shot years ago! He met his maker that day. They were taking care of the dog for a friend,but Bill said hes been a crazy one from day one.

i would not call that dog a cull by any means, very well bred. Actually dodgegirl its your dogs brother from a different litter, son of morrocho de la cocha. I know the dog and the owner, the gentleman that was bit was specifically told do NOT go in the pen, that he was to feed and water the dog from the outside of the pen. Guy didnt listen very well.

WTF???  I don't care what the situation was or if that dog shat gold nuggets...it should have had its hearing checked with a 22 bullet LONG before that happened...I have been bitten...nothing as bad as that but I can tell you it hurts...a lot and that's not the worst.  Infections are the real risk.

Moderators - is this the sort of discussion that you want around pig dogs??  We've tried very hard to lift the publics perception of what they see as vicious killers....Does this help???

Troy

The owner was not around and the dog was obviously uncomfortable.  I know that a couple of my dogs will go nuts if someone they dont know goes near there pens and im not around to tell them its ok. The question that should be asked is was the dog provoked? Did the dog give a warning growl and he was stupid and still went in? I dont know the answers to that. Obviously the dog went to far, no argument there.

I believe the Navasota show is coming up down there isn't it? Plenty of bulldog type dogs there. Have your buddy show up and take bites. I'll tell my friends heading down there to take the bite suits and their hardest hitters. "That'll learn em..."

I wanted to first address this part of your statement..."I would not call that dog a cull by any means, very well bred."
I just wanted to notate, that just because a dog is "very well bred", that doesn't mean that he can't be a cull for one reason or another, generally speaking. There are most definitely plenty of "well bred" dogs out there that have wound up being culls for whatever reasons.

Moving right along.....now in this incident, if the gentleman who was tending to the dogs for his friend, was TOLD not to enter the kennel BECAUSE the dog could potentially react aggressive, that's one thing. I know if someone came to feed my American Bulldog for me, they'd have to chuck him feed because no one outside of my family can touch him when we are on home turf. That's his job here, family/property guardian. It's hard to judge a man biting dog when the breed is a 'guardian' type breed, specifically when said dog is on his home turf, and in his kennel/personal space. Hopefully I'm making sense here. I'll be the first to condone a dirt nap for a man biter, if the circumstances are right. Too many questions left unanswered here for me to give a full opinion on THIS specific dog. Is this dog taken out in public? Exposed to other people? Hunted? How is he with strangers when he's out of his home turf? Too many unknowns.

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I'm sure the moderators don't want people talking about puttin a 22 into a dog either.

either way i hope the guy is doing better.

Crib, you mean the Iron dog show? I decoyed that show 4 or 5 years ago. I did not know they were still having it. Do you have any dates?

Cool pics underdog. Hey I am going to pm u about some stuff.

It's Ricardos show. Yeah they do Irondog there. Ray goes every year.
I do not have dates, but I would call Ray. I'm working away from home right now so I have been out of touch.