EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Before I get started I want to say that when it comes to working animals color or papers don't matter much to me as long as they work.  Hell, I raise striped eared cattle in a Angus part of the world. These pups were advertised at BMC's and they were black with a little white on chest and feet.  Before I bought these pups I did some research on the owner.  Found out he was a stand up guy with some good dogs.  I have seen the parents they are both yellow with black masks.  He said he gets some blacks every now and then and they don't go fast because everyone wants the yellow.  Again, color doesn't matter to me if they work they stay if not they go.  I am just curious if anyone else had any experience with this?  I am new to the curs.

Post a pic of them so can check them out !!

This is one of mine he is straight cur had two in the litter (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/19/my8yge3a.jpg)


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Yea, as soon as I posted that I realized a picture would have helped.  As soon as I get one I will post it.

Yep, bmc's come in more colors than yella.

Got a buddy that has a BMC cow dog that's jet black with a white chest

Is it certain bloodlines?

Im certainly not an expert with the BMC or any other breed of dogs, but something doesn't seem right with this.  Is it possible or likely that one of the dogs in the second or third generation was not a common BMC (yellow with a black mask)?

That is what I call a real blackmouth cur.lol

It seems like they all originated off some good stock dogs.  The YBMC is just a coined phrase to make some money, I could be wrong though.

Lots of the guys who breed the yellow dogs get reds, blacks, Black and Tans, and brindles.

If you go far enough back in any family of BMC's you will find all colors of cur dogs, even blue and spotted ones. That goes for the so called pure bred registered ones.

Yep...you get 2 Yella dogs w/black masks that have the right skeletons in the closet....ain't no tellin what you'll get.

Curtis Ladner has some dogs that throw a black here and there. I saw a pic he posted a lil while back of a black pup.


Shotgun
Arkansas

It's not as rare as a person would think...  I have had this happen with my dogs but the other way around...  My dogs are pure Parkers which are primarily black or brindle. there has been 2 breedings and both  times I got 3 yella outta 9 pups.  This is pretty rare, so to insure they were indeed pure parkers I had DNA testing done the first time it happened. 

My gyp is a red Ladner and she threw those black pup the colors where bred out by some lines to get a uniform color that don't add up to a pile of beans to me in this game color don't make a dog or a person just my opion

Black and tan colored BMCs are seen frequently. I haven't seen many straight Black BMCs but probably just haven't seen the lines in which they occur. As bigo indicated above, go back a few generations and you will see many colors. As Ben Jordan said many years ago "The color is the easiest thing to fix."

As soon as I can I will get some pics up.  I leave the house before sunup and get home at dark, but I will get some.  Like I mentioned color really doesn't matter to me.  I do have a question though about BMC maturing.  They are about about 6 mo old and still chasing butterflies.  They are picking up their commands well but when they get off the lead they are back to goofiness. I have been using herding dogs on my cattle for a while and they seem to mature very quickly. They are both males if that makes a difference.

I haven't been on here in a while , but there is a guy that bred for the black dog , he had a post on here a few months back , I believe called a new flock of crows , he would know  about this black gene , use the search engine

Tshelly is the guy that has all the black BMC. , I searched the engine ,  he breeds for this spacific trait

But registered dogs come with a money back guarantee that  their noses won't turn pink and their tails won't fall off...........Hmmmmmm.....Maybe that was another kind of guarantee come to think of it.

But I am sure its a goodun.....  :laugh:

I found the posts last night.  They look pretty spot on to mine.  It made me feel better I was starting to doubt what I had going on. As soon as I can get some day time pics I will post some.

I finally got some pics if my black curs. We were were having some family fun in the Oklahoma snow. They are brothers and about. 6mo old.(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/25/tyze4edu.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/25/avyjajej.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/25/jahute2a.jpg)

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Them are no stock bred cur dogs...at least not full blooded.

Ears look suspect  ;D

The dog looks part bulldog to me. Ears eyes and head structure. I could be wrong. The main thing is do they do what u want and are u happy with them? If yes it don't matter.


Shotgun
Arkansas

I'd bet almost anything those dogs have some heeler in them.

U may be right. If I remember right that eye color is linked to only certain breeds.


Shotgun
Arkansas

What I consider "blue".

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The older they get the more bull dog they are starting to look. I have already decided if they aren't working out by 1yr they are going somewhere else.  I talked to the guy I got them from last week and he reassured me on them. I guess we will see.

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This is some of the black dogs from the line of dogs TSHELLY and that gang has/had...

I don't see much resemblance between your dog and theirs, besides being mostly black..

And I might add, those wouldn't be what you call a "black BMC" ...   ;)

Well I guess I will have to admit defeat and just call them a cur if that. :-\  I should have known better hell he was a Texan  ;), but he reassured me that they will work cattle.  Now I am getting all sorts of ideas in my head about what they are.  I have seen some border collie/bulldog/bmc crosses that look  like this. The ears and snout on one looks pretty collie like.  The other has more bull dog features, and both way to dam big to be majority bc.  I don't know what to think anymore.  I guess we will see what technique they use to  work.  They better work out, because I have caught a ton a crap from my wife  rolleyes

Look like collie mix to me.......maybe "hangin tree cow dogs" which are a line of collie mix dogs.  But those erect ears puts Cur dogs out of the question in my opinion.

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The two red dogs on the right I bought from a guy in Pittsburgh. Were suppose to be Cat/Cur. Obviously not but I trained em up and started them. The female showed more cur characteristics but it was still clear that they had some heeler or something in them. They were 10 months in this picture and that was their first hog in the woods. Two older dogs had the boar bayed but when the little male got there he only barked about 30 seconds and then they caught.

They were serviceable but the male was catchy...not my style. Still...they hunted. They showed promise. In the end I moved them to a guy out east. From what I understand they were finding and catching hogs.

Just ain't no tellin what might make a dog if your willing to wait and see....and don't care if they're mutts. ; )




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I just thought I would share an update on my black cur mutts. They are 9 mo old and this was their 2nd time on cattle. They were throttling sheep at 6 mo just wanting to catch.So we increased size by 1000#s. I can sic them on and call them off. Now that they are older they are starting to show more bulldog features.  One looks like a cur with a little bulldog the other a bulldog with a little cur. I am finally getting excited about them.
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look like kelpie bulldog crosses to me. but that doesn't mean they are.

Two black dogs can produce A few yellows in a litter...if both carry the recessive for yellow....

And if the dogs bred bred are truly yellow they cannot produce black pups....

looks like they are cow dogs  or atleast gonna be

"Two black dogs can produce A few yellows in a litter...if both carry the recessive for yellow....

And if the dogs bred bred are truly yellow they cannot produce black pups...."

sorry it messed up the quote box, rueben.
two yellows can produce recessive black.

true yellows, i guess wouldn't be carrying recessive for black, but then again a recessive gene can ride many generations in a "true" family before getting a chance to rear it's head.

I would have to agree. def a kelpie or some type of cattle dog cross. They are looking good!

OWL...the reason that I said that about the yellows not throwing black is because for them to be yellow a yellow dog has to of inherited yellow from both parents to be a yellow dog and that is why I believe that to be true...I read about color genes in dogs and I didn't get past the simplest rule on color which is black and yellow...  ;D trying to decipher the rest made my head hurt...  ;D

Looks like they trying to work them cows. Long as they work to me that's all that matters


Shotgun
Arkansas

They are still pretty puppy acting. But I am liking some of the natural habits and traits that are starting to shine through.

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