EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I have never owned a dogo or ever hunted with one most every one here in south Arkansas uses pits as their catch dogs. There are very few dogos around here that I know of and most of them aren't even being put to work. Im considering on getting one and wanting to know their pros and cons compared to apbt

I know a guy that raises them. I can't ever remember his name. Lol I know his face and have his card. Seems like he is from the other side of Camden west side. Or from up around lil rock. I haven't hunted with one either. Cole cross on here has one but when me and him get together we are jinxed. Lol.

From what I have gathered some love them some hate them. Price is higher for the most part than a bulldog. From what I have read they do ok as walk in but aren't as good of RCD as they were originally bred for.


Shotgun
Arkansas

Just realized who u was. U know the same boy I do with the dogos


Shotgun
Arkansas

Haha yea.  I dont get on here much. He only person I know with them think I'm gonna get me one

I have wanted one for a long time. I have read pages and pages to no end. I have seen post that swear by them and post that said they were worthless. One thing I have learned is there is no clear answer on the web. I think its one of those things were either its a good one or it's not.

I got an idea. U get 2 and if they are good I will get a pup from u. Lol


Shotgun
Arkansas

Won't  get Into this much because it'll turn Into an argument. I personally love dogos. In my opinion if you have to walk in a dogo it's a cull. Do your research before you buy from a breeder, do not take a breeders word. Talk to people who have bought from them.

I have had both pits & dogos. I love both breeds, but I do prefer a dogo.

You are welcome to pm me if you'd like more info.

Happy hunting.

Hog tied, I am one of the ney sayers of the dogo. I think they are a pretty animals and I like the build. I don't like white if it can be helped. I have hunted with numerous dogos and owned one. Ninety percent of them all had the same draw back, they were always reaching for a deeper bite. I can't stand that. If the hog was able to pressure them they held on but as soon as they had help and the hog couldn't put as much pressure, it was re-grip re-grip re-grip. If it takes you very long to fight through the briars getting into them, the hog is earless. Not a big deal if your not trying to bring it out alive. It might get a good dog cut up too. That being said, I know there are good ones and bad ones in every breed, I just got bad taste in my mouth over the years.

Always had pits,and always will,my dogo was slow to start,he has turned on,i cast him with my curs ,heck he finds bays,and catches wen i get to the bay,hard headed ,i like him,he will live his life at my house.i have a new pic of him,just dont know how to post pics.the best gaurd dog i ever seen.

My dogo dosent re grip,wen he catches he lays beside hog.if he re grips,then he would be a cull in my book.dont know alot bout the breed,other than reading on line,

They're nice dogs in my opinion just too big. One day we had a boar hog that was around 300lbs bayed up in a little thicket under a fallen tree, well if I had brought my pit that morning like I was thinking we would have had him caught right there but the man that came with us that morning had a dogo and he was so big he couldn't fit under that tree so he went to jump over it and as soon as he went over the hog come bustin out right up under where he had just jumped from, after that the race was back on and it took us about 2 more hours to catch him after that because he had missed a couple times after that

I prefer pits more heart and soul to those and death is no concern to thim when it's on the line jmo

Once again as with all these vs. threads.....

You'll find good ones and you'll find sh*t ones, in both breeds. Are you wanting a running CD? From what I have heard, the majority are used as running CD as I believe they were originally used when created. Do you want a real big dog or a smaller dog....what terrain do you hunt...all of that would be factors when deciding whether you want one or not.

I do not knock what works for someone else, I've never hunted behind a dogo, but I do use bulldogs, EBT's,  and my American Bulldog on occasion if I want to run BIG. I'm happy with what I have. No real reason for me to seek anything new.

I have a dogo that I really like.   Before him I had a nutered pit that I really liked also.  Ive only seen a few other dogos besides mine so I cant comment on the breed.  Lot of great pits out there that are jaw locking- hang on to the end catchdogs.  But Ive also seen some terribly stupid pits.  If there is onething I cannot stand, it is a catchdog of any type that wont listen and acts crazy.

A while back a guy made a thread about a catchdog and how great he was and how he listened.  I think a lot of catchdog not matter what the breed can be great listeners- but it seems with the pits, they take a little more work (does not apply to all pits)- just some of the ones Ive seen and read about.

I dont know what my next catchdog will be- heck I have a 11 month old plott that has seen three hogs and caught everyone of them.  He may be my next catchdog!

If you are talking about the guy from little rock he doesn't hunt his dogs he just breeds to sell. They may be ok who knows

I can't remember where the guy is from. He hunts his. I just can't ever remember his name. Loco kennels keeps popping in my mind.


Shotgun
Arkansas

It's loco hog dogs.


Shotgun
Arkansas

His name is Michael langley

That's him. I suck at remembering names.


Shotgun
Arkansas

My thinkings exactly. The last pitbull I had get killed he and the hog was stepping on his guts and he never let go until I got him off. And he acted fine except he wasn't I have never been around a dogo but I want to know will they lay in there in this situation or are they so smart they are going to know this big sob is going to kill me if I don't let go. I wanna know from someone that has seen some get whacked up bad not from someone that just seen a flesh cut.

Bo _ I cant tell you what my dogo would do if the hog was ripping his guts out because its never happened.  I can tell you my dogo has caught several good boars and barrs close to the 300 lb mark and each time he was on the ear with not a lot of cuts.  I almost lost him once when a big barr threw him like a piece of pop corn popping, but he got right back and hit that barr again.  When he hit him the second time he pushed him off into a creek where he stayed caught.  When I pulled him off he had a major vein in his jaw cut.  Blood was pumping out of him.  All I could do was apply pressure and still blood was running through my fingers.  He also sustained two deep gashed under the should of his cut vest.  I can tell you he took a whopping, but once he was caught he never let go.  And if I we were not there to get him off, there is no doubt in my mind that he would have stayed until he bleed to death from the puncture to his jaw.  He lived and is still here and has caught many good boars and bars since then by himself.  I've never let him go to a bay and thought twice about him not catching.

I had a female dogo who I personally watched run into catch a boar and get flipped onto her back. She would not run with a vest so she didn't have one on. The boar ripped open her stomach but she went right back in a latched onto that ear. Thankfully a guy we run with is a actually a vet and put an I.v straight to her insides & put her back together. I'm not sayin a dogo has more heart then a pit but they have enough to get the job done. Until you've run hogs with a full blown hard hunting dogo I do not think you should judge them. Also a lot of people are use to being able to run curs at a young age. A dogo is a complete dumba** for the first year and a half of its life.

a catch dog is one that goes in without any hesitation and without any fear and locks down...preferably on the ear...whether it be a 300 pound boar or a 2000 pound bull...and he won't let go or give up until he draws his last breath...I have the highest respect for one as described...

I purchased a dogo female  2 years ago for breading purposes have never got a pup out of her. been breed to 4 different males no pups. Have decided to use her for a catcher so far no problems.straight ear no regrip no dog aggression. She's about 80lbs very athletic. I've got two more from a friend they have 1/16 american  the rest dogo they are 10months old the male weighs around 100 lbs . Female isn't as big both are hog crazy. Very smart dogs. Don't see them being very good in heavy brush to big. As far as catching and holding a hog I can't see were a bulldog has the advantage.

Buddy of mine had the same problem with his female. Hooked her up to my males a few different times & she never took. So he took her the vet and had the vet out the stuff in her & she took.

I've seen 2 dogos.. Both were hard headed and got on my nerves in the woods. Both were great catch dogs that would never regrip. I seen one of em get cut and bled out.. When I got there and tried to catch the hog he fell off and his eyes glazed over and never moved. I thought he was dead but I took him to vet anyway and after an iv he was fine. His k9s are broke off but he still catches and holds good. Not to say I could make a fair judgement of the breed after only two dogs but I haven't seen anything bad about them other than hard headed

i have a dogo and have had several pits , i love both .  i like the way my dogo trots up to a bay and catches rather than blowing in there full steam ahead mowing down everything in its path .  when he catches hes definatley in charge .  remember ... ITS NOT THE BREED YOUR LOOKING FOR , ITS THE DOG YOUR LOOKING FOR !!! whether it be dogo , pit , or cocker spaniel ...... only pick from proven stock that came from proven stock that came from proven stock !  just because its a '' LAB '' doesnt mean its gonna fetch ducks !   if you want to talk more about dogos pm     good luck

I really think the Dogo is a nice looking dog but I like the look of a little pit just as much personally I cant see me spending that kind of money on a catch dog. The little dog I use rite now I picked up on a dirt road he was eating on road kill to survive I didnt even shut the tail gate he looked so bad if he would have fell out and died it would have been no great loss. I have had him now 2 years and he has found and caught several the biggest was 325lb barr now he aint the best and I have no Idea really what he is but he gets it done to me he looks like American bull cur cross alot of white and brindle. Only once he didnt make the catch it was night and he went in a brush top and a big boar got him and cut hig real bad. I hunt mutts.

Just get ya an American bulldog and be done with it ;)

I bought a dogo as a pet and now I can hunt too. I bought a pit as a pet and she stays in yard and is fat.

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He has more bulldogs than u can shake a stick at. Some good ones to boot. He is just interesting in trying a dogo. Everyone knows how it goes. U see things or dogs and u wonder how they work. Will it be a good fit? Will it be better than what I have? Will it do what folks say? I have these same questions about lots of things. I have thought about dogos since I first saw them. I did some research to see what the are intended to do. I run rough catchy dogs with a RCD. These dogs should by breed definition be able to do that. Lots of bulldogs don't have the wind to run far. While they may be top notch lead in dogs they may not be worth a flip as RCD. I feel that is why he started this thread. He honestly wants to know the capability of the breed and how they truely compare to pits. There are next to no dogos in the area we hunt. Going and watching them hunt isn't possible. It would be nice to get honest unbiased opinion on what they are and are not from people that have fed them and hunted with enough of them long enough to get an educated opinion.

Like him I am really interested in the answers. Money is to tight and these dogs are too pricey to just give it a whirl.


Shotgun
Arkansas

Well said shotgun,i have a dogo and would like to learn about them,ive had pit catch dogs for yrs.

There is a breeder in Argentina who runs his dogos 15-25 miles 3-5 times a week. And he catches tons of hogs. That's one thing I like about dogos. They have an awesome lung capacity, with the stamina to match. One thing I don't like is a young male will bow up to another male. You have to be a very dominant person with this breed. We have no problems with our dogs but we have been around the breed for many years and know how to correct it. You as a bulldog owner should be fine since to are use to such a powerful strong willed breed. Also be prepared to deal with a big puppy stage dog until the dog is around 2. They are very smart but mature very late. A bulldog will start catching as soon as you let them, but a dogo might show no Interest until a year old. You can get a decent bulldog from anywhere like everyone says a dogo you can not! This is just my opinion take it how you want. But I strongly suggest you do ALOT of research with different breeders. Like I said before as well, talk to people who actually have & hunt their dogos from that breeder. I have two personal favorites that I can pm to you if you'd like. Also dogos in the states will cost you anywhere from 1200-5000. You can get a dogo from Argentina paid and shipped around 2,000. I hope this has helped you a little bit. If you have any specific questions feel free to ask

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Not the best picture but this is one of our dogos a few years back with a bar hog he caught on one of the ranches we hunted in okeechobee fl

Dodge- I have a dogo and while I can agree with some of your words, I cannot agree with all of them in respect to the dogo I have.  He is very calm and will not bow up at another dog.  I do agree about the age.  I think some of my plotys are more hard headed than my dogo. My dogo turned 2 in October and he is a big ol bably until he hears a bay.

One other point aimed at multiple threads-not just this one.  I am a hog hunter and I like my dogs a certain way (and its not for looks and its not for show).  I could care less for what a dog looks like.  I don't buy or take dogs from a breeder, I get my pup from "hunters".  It seems like a lot of post lately refer to breeders and I think if you want a dog for a hog dog, you need to get pups from hog hunters.  JMO

Ill use Mike Cauley (Bayou Cajun Plotts) for example:  Mike has a couple liters a year but I would not consider him a breeder, I would call Mike a hunter and that is why I go to him for the plotts I want.  There are a lot of plott breeders out there, some haven't been in the woods in a long time.  When it comes to getting a dogo, I would go to someone who you know hunts their dogos.  A good friend of mine named Larry Smith gave me my dogo pup.  Larry is a good friend and a hunter.  If you want to get a true perspective of a dogo, go see someone who has them and hunts them.

I know you said not about this post. But the breeders I talk about are hunters. They hunt the hell out of their dogs. I have some pictures I wish I could share on here but it's not public friendly pictures. I do care what my dogos look like. I want it all. I want breed standard. Both looks & hunt.

I agree with that...I like the whole package on all my dogs...

...k, that sounds biased. Looking at dogs purpose ftom there history the dogo was made for hunting boar and puma. The pit really not made specific for hunting BUT was well enuff to catch.. the pit is from a history stand point a more general athletic dog. So as with anything that has the capability it can do it does it like it was made for it.. the real problem is the dogo is getting pigeon holed as a over priced catch dog....well if you buy a dogo for a catch dog you probably payed too much. SOME of them can and were intended to hunt. And as a result thay can be guarddogs, companions and the like. If you buy a pit as a catch dog you might get a dam good catch dog. AND as a result he might be able to weight pull,  excell in agility test and be a companion.  All how you precieve it. I have had working dogs all my life. I like dogos more than pits. Would I buy a dogo just as a catch dog. Hell no. Would I buy a sports car and never go faster that the speed limit.  Ohh hell no. Would I buy a pit just for a catch dog. NO. both dogs capable of more.....if you get a good one.

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Shotgun thanks for the props on my catch dogs. You hit the nail on the head on what I was asking when I starred this thread.a lot of good info from everyone. Like shotgun said very very few people here hunt dogos I appreciate everyone's input on my curiosity of the breed

The only thing about asking someone an opinion on a dog you still won't ever know because people judge dogs so differently one mans junk is another mans treasure and so on. And a lot of people get kennel blindness they think they have something a lot better than what it really is. But you won't ever know if you like them or not until you spend the 1 grand and buy one and try it out. Good luck

Bingo, well said

No Pugh I agree never know till I try one. I did learn one thing from this thread dogos are more expensive than I thought. Thinking I'll just keep on catching hogs with these yard bred bulldogs that have been in the family for many a years. Reckon if it ain't broke don't fix it

Probably good thinkin. I just don't hear enough about jam up Dogos to even consider buying one. And the few you hear about they want 2k for. There's no way I m spending that money for a glorified catch dog. I know a lot of folks say they hunt but hell if I wanted to turn my abd loose and possibly get him killed I could, he's got more hunt then some cur dogs. Point is I hunt to hear the bay and catch a. Hog. If you runnin Dogos that are rcd and catch a 250 lb nasty boar with teeth 1/2 a mile away. Don't ya reckon your 2k will be gone that much faster? Just my 2 cents

Lacy man, I have seen a few people say they haven't heard of a lot of jam up dogos. But really just as the feller who made this thread said, he don't know but a few people that have them. If you only know two people running dogos chances are they're not going to be jam up. Most hog hunters have at least one bull dog in the yard therefore we hear of a lot more jam up bull dogs then dogos.

So your saying if he buys 2 dogos for let's say 3 grand considering he has to drive or have them shipped to him probably have more than 3000 in them but anyway " they won't be jam up" maybe average or below  that's a lot of money to pay to have a half ass rcd or lead in catch dog. From the videos I have seen of them catching they had to breed all that lung capacity in them because they knaw and when they regrip they usually let go and have to do a rundown. How many would he have to get to get one that would be jam up at something

That's not what I said at all. My dogos also don't regrip

I have 4 Dogos on my yard right now. Have been hunting with the breed for several years. There are many very high quality Dogos being raised by hunters in Texas, you just don't see them posting on ETHD very often.

Pros for me:
They can be used many different ways, lead in, running down with curs, sent from long range when conditions are right, hunted by themselves with no help, they can even wind off the box.

On the average they should be pretty fast with good wind able to run a long distance and still hold for a good while.

Longer leg and longer neck allow them to hold with less damage.

A big Dogo can "handle" a big boar alone, they are not dead weight hanging on an ear. This can also help reduce damage taken by the dog.

I expect them to be catching small pigs before they shed their baby teeth, and hunting and catching with help by 10 months.

Slow maturing dogs are not desirable but are common in some lines.

Dog aggression should not be tolerated but is a problem in some lines.

Re-gripping should not be tolerated but is a problem in some lines.

They are not better than a pit if you are in very thick cover and leading in close all the time.

In the more open ground they are very hard to beat.

Don't get one from a breeder, bet one from a hunter who has generation after generation of proven hunting dogs.

I ran with a dogo imported directly from the Martinez family in Argentina. First time we went out, the dog was less than a year. He didn't range at all. He growled at a 7 year old boy and started a fight with a pit (was also snapping at hands when trying to break up the fight.) Second time we went out, he wouldn't go into a bay. We walked him right in within 20 feet, but he wouldn't cross a stream to get to the pig. Third time we went out was at a high fence. He caught a sub-100 lb pig that was already caught by a jagdterrier. The second hog was about 180 lbs. He was slapped on the way in. He sat back and bayed. That 3000 dollar, imported dogo was culled.

I have ran with three other dogos. All of them have been slow to start. Don't expect a finished catch dog until they are two years old. 90% of the pits from the pound will catch hard at six months. Dogos do have a great gait. They are fast too. I think if you crossed one with a game-bred pit you may end up with something a little quicker starting and rougher on hogs.

I believe this post sums it's up for me if I was ever considering getting a dogo. ( which I am not)

Yep, I would agree.....Argentina might not be the best place to get one.

It seems like some guys may be looking in the wrong places for a dogo.  I certainly would not spend 3000 on any dog that I have not seen do hid or her job on multiple occasions- and then I still could not afford 3000.  Why would someone look at the pound for a pit, but then looks in another country for a dogo?  I believe there are many good dogos around, people just not doing a lot of bragging on them.  There are not a bunch of people bragging about pits either until it comes comparison time on the www.  American bulldogs can be just as good or better then the dogo or pitt- you just have to look in the right place.

3000 is ridiculous ..... i didnt sleep for 2 days when i paid 600 for mine ! lol

Yep, but things add up quick when you are importing a dog. Martinez is the guy who created the breed. The dog was from the original dogo lines. Anyway, it was a pos. I am not saying all of them are. I am just saying the few I have seen didn't impress me. I like fast starting dogs with high prey drive.

I got my dogo from the same breeder you are talking about and didn't pay anywhere near 3000 for mine.

I got mine from a guy in granbury who had both of his imported and he hunts both of his as RCD's.  The male he has is a pretty impressive looking dog.  I didn't show my pup a hog till 10 months, prior to this he never showed any aggression to anything much less even barked, but the second he saw a hog he went nuts.  First pig he saw was a 200+ lb boar and after a tussle and figured out the ear on the fly.  He was caught anchored and didn't regrip! The guy I got him from kept a male liter mate and at 9 months old he had struck and held many hogs.  But in the end it's to each their own, I've seen a catahoula run away from a bayed up sounder so does that mean I think they are crap... Not at all. JMO

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It was 1400 for the dog and approximately 1600 for the flight, shipping container and health certificate. How much did you pay?

There are Dogos on the dog trade here from time to time for $500 to $1000.  That's not crazy expensive.  So the people who get them just need to post updates.

Most recent my pops paid 600 for the pup & 800 for shipping.

That is reasonable. This dog was purchased as a "started" hog dog, so I paid more. It is also lot more expensive to ship an adult size dogo then a pup.  The dog was a beautiful dog. He had great conformation, and probably would have been great in a show ring. He just wasn't any kind of dog I would hunt with. As I said earlier, I like fast-starting dogs with high prey drive. I wish any of the dogos would have worked out. I love the build of the dogo. They have speed and stamina. I was very disappointed with the way the turned out. Again, this was just my experience with four consecutive dogs from four different breeders. It is possible I just got four culls.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I think a better heading would be - Dogo vs Catahula, or Dogo vs rough cur. A dogo is much closer to a rough catahula or cur than it is to a pit. You take a good pack of rough RC curs and it will be very similar to a couple of dogos. Compare that to pits. Most pits have zero self preservation left in them. That is not the case with any of the dogos I have ran.

Sorry that you have not had a very good experience with the Dogos you have seen. A nice one is very impressive to watch in the field.

You are correct that Dogos and Pits really are two very different types of dogs, and can't really be compared, but both should be "stand in they guts hard".

Dogos are, or should be, straight catch "cur dogs", for lack of a better way to describe them.

I only post up in these Dogo threads to share the experiences I have had, and to help keep the mis-information down to a minimum.

A hunter has got to hunt dogs that fit his country, and hunt dogs that he likes. No more to it than that.

Again I'm not trying to sound bias or something but.... alow me to put my dogo in a hunt with a  cd with the SAME AGE AND EXPERIENCE and go from there..  I enjoy my dog. Hes fun and part of my family.  All I know of dogos is from him..   

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7 month old dogo's we a training...  I belive they will make great catch dogs... The male is wearing a blue collar and will be used as a lead in....(http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r588/crossstock/EABC7D32-DDCE-4F59-A8AE-E876F65B825A-10580-00000F7118EE0BBB_zps5d6bc35a.mp4) the female is wearing the red collar she is going to be used as a rcd...(http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r588/crossstock/A2A2D0E1-7C4C-4381-9C59-ED7C44EA9A56-10742-00001021C4782827_zpseb4d3f50.mp4) and I also have a finished 1/2 dogo 1/2 pit that is a lead in catch dog ear everytime....(http://i1173.photobucket.com/albums/r588/crossstock/null_zpsae120e33.jpg)....

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