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My buddy bought a dog from a guy in ol miss and said it was a florida cur being that me and my buddy have never heard of this type of dog were curious to know more on these dogs back ground if anyone has any knowledge about these dogs and could pass it my way it would be helpful

Lol.....put it in the search or just check a couple pages back. Just got covered. You won't get one definite answer anyway.

From what I understood on the last Florida thread was take two different breed dogs and cross them and you get a litter of Florida currs. And what's so weird about it no one can tell you their not Florida currs cause no one knows what they are or exactly what their suppose to look like. Good luck with you Florida curr

Oh....also....make sure one of the dogs in the cross is a bulldog  >:D  ;)  ;D

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Judge peel mt buddy's dog looks like a black mouth with the color of a red cat

I hear they come in different colors

Ok well thank you

Hey Judge you have some real nice dogs, second thread one of your dogs or a dog you bred caught my eye. I really like the Fla curs, is yours straight catch? How does he hunt, do you use him one out?

He hunts out short to med but has good bottom and is supper rough one of the best I have ever hunted behind. But he ain't my dog even tho I act like he is he belongs to my buddy Brandon I have several dogs out of him they are solid dogs

   I thought that looked like Brandon's rottwieller    lol  !!!

well I have scene a couple rots on hogs and not bad from what I saw...I do believe they were bred to multi task and one task happened to be boar hunting...

yeah that last thread got outta hand quickly.  Lemme try this explanation and see if I can do it without offending anyone.. lol

Fl curs come in all shapes, sizes and colors.  weve got yellas, black and tans, leoprds, ring necks etc.  growing up that's how a cur dog was classified.  The term Fl Cur is and internet term. 

These dogs were bred and raised to hunt feral cattle in the brush in fl two hundred plus years ago when a good dog cost more than a horse and most people could only afford to have one if they were lucky. 

Most of the old school dogs (and I don't mean the ones developed in the 80s) were lean thin dogs with good leg to them so they could hunt all day in the heat humidity etc.  Most of the ones I was around back in my younger years had blocky heads and bobbed tails. 

The most important aspect is that its a one out dog.  Hunt cows/hogs by itself bay and if needed catch with no help (because like I said way back when the settlers could afford one if they were lucky).

No this is strictly my opinion and the way I look at it more than likely because of how the guys I grew up around were.  A this crossed with that, was simply that.  cross a redbone to a bulldog and it was a redbone crossed with a bulldog.  Those guys didn't call them curs, can they be good dogs yes of course they can, but the old guys I was around just called them crosses/mutts/mixed dogs whatever.

Im sure there are some bulldog mixed into the old lines somewhere, but I promise you (because ive done it) ask some of the old men that have been breeding them their whole lives and your liable to get your rear end kicked a few times until you get through the gate. lol

This is my old man jack.  This is what I and most of the guys I hunt with consider a Fl cur.  Out of his last litter though 3 were yellow, one was a yellow ring neck, and two were a light saddle back/black and tan.  hes out of flint stock from up around plant city, and after talkin to mr flints cousin who lives near me he told me he and his cousin used to work cows for just about every ranch in Fl (they are both in their 80s and the flint that lives here still works cows horseback everyday) and that his cousin got his first set of dogs from some extra pups the partins had back in the 50s (best he could remember).

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A friend of mine days works cows in and around labelle with his dad who has been raising his own dogs since before my buddy was alive.  Hes from Hollywood Fl and from what he says he got his start from the partins as well when he worked for them.  His dogs look identical to mine and he wont let you breed to them unless your dogs work cows and will do it alone.

But like I said this is just one TYPE of "fl cur".  Personally I don't like the term to me they are yellow dogs.  BUt hey I guess the puppy peddlers had to come upwith a catchy slogan. If you were to ask me what makes one of these dogs I don't have a clue, however what keeps them around is they will do it by themselves.

Judge do you have any more pics of thunder?  He looks awful big to be any type of cur dog.  Looks a lot and I mean ALOT like my daddys rot.  Please don't take offense im sure hes a good dog or you wouldn't be feeding him, just curious is all.

   no ol thunder is 100% florida cur from florida I knew him as a pup . as for my part the rotti coment is a private joke amongst friends .

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Simply asked if you had a better pic.  Wasn't bashing your dog simply asked because of the picture you posted of him.  As long as your happy with him I guess.

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RD...that's a fine looking hog dog...that is the look I envision when I think about Florida Cur...buddy of mine had one looked just about like that except he was a little darker red...not much though...I thought enough of that dog to breed him to one of my females back then...

Ohhhh lawd here we go.. I keep my trap shut on this one lol

I think in general, some folks should let their hackles down in some of these discussions, lol.

I agree...

Much better pic.  He doesn't look as fat and bulky in the chest in this pic.  Always liked black and tans, im hopin in my next litter ill get one and if im lucky a natural bob tail.

Thanks reuben.  Ive heard of different ranches adding this or that to the dogs they had as the times changed.  The dogs around now are mostly short ranged hot nosed rough dogs, but from my understanding way back when they were longer range dogs but still as rough.  Like I said in my original post these dogs come in all colors. 

from talking to people smarter than me, ive been told in the 80s is when the dogs started getting "beefier" almost as if more bulldog was being bred in.

to show the difference, this dog I got from a fella that worked the lightsey ranch and got his original dogs from them and continued to breed them himself.   smaller in stature than Jack, little darker yellow, had balck eyeliner, but a little thicker than jack.

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This one I got from a GOOD friend when he decided to switch to all males.  I don't recall which ranch she came off of, but she was taller than both the others and weighed in at about 70-75 pounds in running shape.  She was all business, the older she got the less she caught on her own though.  Just shows the inconsistency of the quote un quote breed so to speak.

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RD, that was also a very good explanation of what your opinion of what a Fla. Cur is. I truly believe
you are spot on about them being bred/developed to find rank feral cattle all day long by themselves in the hot humid  Fla. swampy terrain and if one has dogs that are bred true to the standards / qualities  that those original curs were, and if these current dogs possess these same qualities,  then I think it's safe to say one owns a true Fla. TYPE cur.

RD, very well put.  Most people round here just call 'em cur dogs.
Lets face it, most all breeds got their names and or lines for the pure sake of making money.  There was a day when they were just dogs...curs, hounds, bulldogs,  sheppards...hog dogs,  deer dogs, coon dogs, cow dogs (head dogs & heelers)
As people started breeding their best to their best, different breeds and even different lines inside of the breeds started changing.  Then John Doe had good dogs and people started wanting them, thus began the JD dogs.
Different regions called for a different taste in a working dog.  IMO thats why all our curs are similar,  yet very different.

Hell, I am only 30, and its hard to ever see (let alone find) a dog that I remember as a child.  Be it a cur or bulldog, and by appearance and ability.

I think we would all love to turn back the clock to see what went into some of these dogs, but sadly most come from a time sorrowfully forgotten.

And for the original poster, for the most part, the dogs coined "fl curs" are as RD stated.  Hotter nosed, rough, one or two out dogs

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I agree! I'd feed a couple of em!

I probably should have mentioned one last thing.  The dogs we have and had in years past in Fl varied very very greatly by region of the state you were in.  The dogs I have were cow bred meaning they were bred to work cows ALL day long in the heat.  Probably why they are lean and leggy.  From my understanding from a boy I hunt with down here they curs in the panhandle (specifically Tallahassee where he went to school and lived for 9 years) are more hound like.

So it also depends on where you are in the state as to what the dogs look like.  Noah said it best a couple years ago during another of these threads that my dogs "have that South Florida look to them".

Just my opinion for what its worth.

I gotta get with my mom and dad, I know one of them has a picture of me and an old black and tan bobtailed pup that came of Lykes ranch when my dad used to hunt with the lykes boys.  That gyp followed me everywhere and would hunt for anything a boy wearin short pants toting a cap gun could hunt for.  Mom and dad never worried bout me runnin the woods if she was with me, damned rattlesnake took her at about 2.

Rd thanks for the information on this breed i have heard enough to buy a puppy from the gentleman in ol miss i will post pics of my pup when i get him here

Update on my pups, they are 9 weeks old now and full of piss and vinager!

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Wrong picture the first time

Dang Junior they are sure looking good! I really like the two colored ones. Look forward to seeing their progression.

Thanks bud, they should be rock'n and roll'n here shortly

Junior, what are you feeding them pups? They seem to have weak pasterns.

Fine looking pups !

rdjustham,  you got some fine looking dogs there man.

Underdog they are free fed on diamond puppy food? U talking about them looking like they been crying? I'm not sure what a pastern is...

No. The wrist joints look weak, could be the pics

Jimmy so you the million dollar question, did you breed whitey to cracker???

I think it was just the way the pictures were taken, pups were on a dog box same height as my head so I was kinda taken the pics at an upward angle

Have seen it in several litters of ours years ago.

Usually seen in pups raised on concrete or fed high protein amounts that softens or breaks down the elasticity in the joint or cartilage.

Ours were combo of both. Didn't give them a lick.of problems until it carried over.  Unfortunately we had to cull the entire litter and cease those particular dogs from the brood pen.  
Hope its just the picture.

Great lookin lil pups I must say.

I have never ran into that problem? My dogs stay in concrete pens and eat high protein feed, I bred the sire to these pups to a different gyp and those pups turned out ok and I have bred the dam to a different male and those pups turned out ok. They don't act like they have any problems running around or walking. They are out of the pen almost all day every day and haven't seen any issues to this point so hopefully it's nothing. Both parents are damn good dogs and I'd hate to have to cull them for issues like that.

Thanks brother, that old gyp was the best dog ive ever hunted behind.  Lost her to a neighbors poison.  Jack is a real real close second and that lightsey dog, hows the sayin go, don't bite the hand that feeds you?

Yeah I lost the fight RedNose .  Only done it one time tho so maybe four are five.

Yeah on those pups up there Jr.  Lot of times you can feed to high of protein and to much  food and that's what will happen  the pups bones are growing faster than some things can keep up with and it will cause their ankle joints and on down to their feet to look funny.   Most the time it will straighten itself out over a little time.  I have seen it before .  If that's not it you could have a genetic type problem starting up but I doubt it.  Think its just the bones growing to fast at a young young age.

I've had a few bulldog pups that I had issues with also.  My barrels and platforms are quite elevated in my kennels.  I finally figured out the pups jumping up and down was causing some problems.  Built some ramps for the puppy pens and haven't had a problem since.  First time it came up I thought it was rickets.

Hey junior those are some might fine looking  pups some people just look at things  they don't have or know about  with one eye especially on the Internet lol

Comments were all positive brotha.  Just a question that several of us saw and hoped that it was not what have experienced in our own kennels.  Dont believe it can be due to a blind ignorant jab....or we would not have been able to be specific about a realistic issue.

Know this internet is sometimes hard to read into a specific comment and have the actual intent communicated properly ....but assure you there was no malice in anyones comments about the pups.

As previously posted....great looking pups.  ;D

THANKS GUYS AND NO OFFENSE TAKEN... I HAVE NEVER HAD THAT ISSUE WITH ANY OTHE THE DOGS I HAVE OR PUPS I HAVE RAISED BUT THAKS FOR THE INFO. I BELIEVE THEY ARE JUST KINDA WIERD LOOKING RIGHT NOW CAUSE THEY ARE FREE FED PUPS. THEY EAT A 50LB SACK OF FEED JUST ABOUT EVERY WEEK. SO THEY ARE BIG BODDIED LITTLE LEGGED BIG FOOTED PUPS. THEY WILL BE BIGGER DOGS AS MOST OF THE OTHER PUPS HAVE ALL TURNED OUT TO BE 45-50LBS OR BIGGER. THEY ARE ONLY 9 WEEKS OLD AND STILL GOT A LOT OF GROWING TO DO BUT THEY WILL LOOK NORMAL I GUESS IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

Judge...wrong, I meant no malice at all,genuine concern...period. The pups are jacked up, look hard at the yella and the white one and again no offence or malice to junior and I sure hope they grow out of it. If they were mine I would be real concerned, not that they are not good looking pups as they are but the structure is jacked up on them. Been fooling with dogs too long to not know what I'm talking aboput and I usually won't say anything if I am not sure.

Junior, I hope they straighten up for you. Good luck with them.

I hear ya bro just thought a comment like that would be on a pm. I know people fire off what ever they want on here and then get mad if some one don't agree that's all I meant and I have seen pups with duck feet and then arch up as they got older but no biggie

IM NO DOG DOCTOR SO I HAVE NO CLUE.... ALL I CAN SAY IS WHAT I STATED BEFORE, ALSO IT MAY HAVE BEEN BECAUSE THEY WERTE A LITTLE SCARED BEING ALMOST 6 FEET IN THE AIR ON THE TOP OF A DOG BOX WHICH THEY HAD NEVER BEEN ON BEFORE NOR THAT HIGH BEFORE. AGAIN IM NO DR BUT I DO KNOW ENOUGH TO TAKE CARE OF MY DOGS AND KEEP THEM OUT OF THE VETS POCKET/OFFICE.

I don't think you have anything to wory bout jmo

x2 on what Bryant said (Underdog)...I have had it happen a few times with my pups as well...we do all that is right and then they buckle at the wrists as young pups...they will/should straighten out but the vet said it was the high protein high fat that usually causes this, that was his thoughts if I remember correctly...slightly lower protein like 23-24 percent and 10-12 percent fat to keep them from growing too fast and keep their weight down a little...and concrete or wooden floors do not help from what I remember...sometimes it can be heredity because I had a grown dog with splayed feet but when more 2 or more pups have it in the litter it more than likely is not hereditary which is a good thing...

I hear ya

Thats great to hear, gives me time to start making room   ;D lol jk  That is a great breeding though.

Anyone know how these pups with the weak pasterns turn out?

just curious

Just curious but I typically haven't had any issues with the few litters I be raised and fed 24/20 seems to be ok? I ve also raised pups off "puppy" good that was 30% protein 29 fat still no issues? So, I was wondering if not only the concrete kennels but also genetics may be playin a roll in this situation?

Gosh dang my fingers are fat. I mean 30/20

I used to live in Florida and the Florida Curs I saw looked like little American Bulldogs about small pitbull size. Mostly white with some tan trim. They made fine catch dogs. I never owned one but I saw them in action. They did not look cur like at all. I would have sworn they were pure bulldog. The owner said they went back to real old cracker cowboy lines. Not sure if he was spinning tales or not. Everyone has a strain of bulldog that goes back to his uncle buck who swore he kept them pure, never bred pit into them, blah, blah, blah.

I would upload mine but it tells me my pics are to big. Idk why they don't work

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Great looking dogs Fl Curdog, I really like that last one on the bottom right he is a good looking dog.

Thanks they are litter mates. 

If I could upload pics id upload mine. All I run is rank ole florida curs. Two dogs and that's all you need.

Looking good Jimmy!! Looks to be straight Fl Curs without the pinch of Pitbull you normally like!! Tell us about them??

They all got a pinch in them. These are 1/2 cur 1/2 pit.          (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/20/42727525c2acac8133bbe0e9f34fdeca.jpg).

Thanks. Top picture is Tick he is out of Levi & Suzie.  The 2nd picture is Bentley. I picked him up from a fella over by Tosohatchee. I believe his last name was Moody back in 2011.  He hunts short to medium range all bite no bark.  I have caught some stud hogs with him solo & he has never bayed.  He might be caught 200 yards away. I had him at a 1.5 mile on the Garmin caught on a boar hog after he relayed one night.  I usually hunt him solo except when I have Tick with him.

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Fl curdog nice looking dogs you got there

Thanks

Junior, how did these pups turn out for you now at what about 11 months old?

All were culled at 5 months but not for the joint issue, I let me hunting contract with the state go, and sold some grown dogs to some buddies and killed off what I didn't want to give away

I'm still in the dog business just deer hounds only