EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Well after 3 hours and countless miles of chaseing him. Finally found a cut off road, to try and turn catch dogs straight on to him... Well that didn't happen! At least we got a glimpse at him... Add another educated one to the pack.
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I know how you feel!

They are getting more common now days. When you start packing dogs to them they will learn to not cross a road. They will start running in a big circle over the same track with a few zigs and zags.

Yeah they are doing that pretty regular here. And racking the dogs off on a sow and shoats. Start out running a good track end up with a 5lb pig!! Be so nice to go back 12 years ago, when you could ride you fourwheelers within 100 yards of a bay and walk the catch dogs in and stand there and watch the dogs bay and work awhile before you turn the catch dogs loose.

Who is that in that pic I think it is billy the kid

Haha, I think billy the kid would of had his gun loaded!

Did that last year left on a big big track and he ran to a group of sows and babies. But he got there and he stopped running. Got him and a sow and dogs rolled out n Bayed again mile later.  First hog was a Barr hog with almost 4 inch teeth and was over 400. 

I've heard this more often


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3 hours on a chase = if I see him, I will atleast shoot a leg with my pistol haha. Three legged pig is much easier to stop lol. Mabe next time fellas, we've ha our fair share of these track stars

that hog is built for speed and stamina...we as doggers have done a fine job in culling the barn yard flop eared looking ones...seems like those were ready to stop and fight pretty quick...

We mostly have a good russian population so we get our share of runners. Have a guy here that has actually dumped pot belly hogs & domestic pigs in to try to slow them up. Pisses me off to no end. Instead of trying to breed better dogs, he wants to slow the hogs down so his sorry Chi* eaters can catch one.
  Not many places you can go & still have hogs that are probably 75% or better Eurasion & this idiot wants to mess up the gene pool.

Great points as usual, Mike. I can't even hardly remember the last time a group of 15 or 20 Black Bears bayed up and let me ride in and rope 'em.  ;D

Barlow these central tx hogs run enough to suit you?


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Jody . . I'm just grateful to be back in Texas and have good people like yourself and Thomas (T-dog) to hunt with. I realize there are folks, probably on this board, who remember the old days of open range, semi-domestic hogs and the ability to use stock-type dogs to gather, pen or lead them. You know from our conversations that I have a deep respect for the old-timers who used and developed those dogs and the methods that went with them. But for better or worse . . I don't rely on gathering hogs for any part of my living and I do this for sport and because I love to see good dogs work. So, from that perspective . . no small part of the thrills and rewards of hunting dangerous game with dogs . . is the constant chore of striving to produce better dogs to withstand the challenges. Not finding or breeding easier, slower hogs. Whoever that young guy is who has been cutting and releasing the white, red, yellow and spotted boars is doing us a favor because those would appear to me to be the hogs that have the most domestic influence. Let's remove them from the breeding program! I like the thought of preserving the big, black, wooly dudes who look like a bristle-backed rhino as they bust thru a clearing in this Central Texas brush.

I've seen some good dogs AND some bad hogs over the last month. Just the way I like it. If catching them was easy . . it would be called farming or grocery shopping . . and not hunting.

Well you are looking at a guy who does his best to put some good blooded hogs back in the gene pool.  Am I doing it because my dogs are sorry and no account? NO, but my dogs are still sorry anyways  :D

I don't go to catch any ol hog, I'm there for the dogs and to catch whatever has the biggest track out there.  When you add a little good blooded hog in the gene pool, it just naturally produces a better Barr hog. I don't care if cuts the running down or not, I'm not there to run a shoat all over the country anyways, so hopefully it does cut down on the running.  There ain't nothing better then baying up a group of big toothy barr hogs though, and thats what I'm after.

^ yup and no matter what some people say now days about whether or not it can be done, I still bay sounders with enjoyable regularity. Not with countable regularity, but enjoyable regularity, even on the same spots with the worst runners I've got access to. It's like God will occasionally smile and say "here ya go bud, I know my hogs are better than your dogs but you deserve a sounder today" lol

I have seen that often enough as well...has a lot to do with the type of dogs one is hunting...but it don't take much to get them to break...

I grew up right at the end ,when the stock law passed,seen lot times as a kid 20 r 30 hogs called up by my dad and gran dad,and wen it was time for cutting and marking,we would have a wooden catch pen built in the woods,then daddy would weave netts in to a shute to the catch pen,when all this was done,we would ride in to the woods on horses,with dogs and start finding hogs,dogs would keep them tight,we would gather 20 head and drive them bk to the catch pen,and mark and cut,and turn loose,we would do this everyday,till they thought we got them all,be some we would catch and cut and mark,let go,was fine times in them days,ride up on a bay be 15 head of hogs,pick a good barr oit rope him pull him oit tie him drag him home,and have table fare,for awhile..good ole days...they were woods hogs,latter daddy turned russian boars to breed them,were they could survive better because times were changing...

When i said we would catch one ,i meen the ones that wouldnt drive we would rope cut mark and let go,dog work was the best in them days.

if you don't mind...explain what you mean dog work was the best in those days...

The dogs were seasoned ,new what we wanted when we wanted when we went to the woods.daddy had a gyp that new were to go look for the hogs ,if she found a nest of pigs she would bay it.till we got to her.we would mark and do it again.dogs never bit the hogs. Unless was told to,daddy had a couple litter mates,wen u took them to the woods,all they bayed was boars are barr.the dog work was the best in them days,i still have that blood in my yard.catchy and open dogs didnt make it at my dads no matter how good they were.

ok...hunting good dogs almost every day makes for top dogs...but also have to give credit to a good dog man or woman to bring out the best in a dog...

yep you nailed it. Feed tracks !

Folks back then would kill a dog in a minute for catching hogs unless they told them to catch.
I know an ole timer he had a gyp that would bay a group of hogs and would start toward the holding pen barking and the hogs would follow her and more hogs would join along the way. She would go in the pen  the hogs would follow and she would go out over the fence

Hillbilly. Then were good times for sure,daddy would tell me bout a lead sow,wen they found her they found the hogs,and she would lead the rest in to the catch pen.some my not understand ,them hogs were a way of life,wen they eas marked they was ur stock..and you tended to them.need pay bills....go to the woods catch ten hogs.take to the sale barn ,bills payed.it is sad to c them old days fade away,as long as i can our mark ,will be in the woods,and there is some barrs we cut ,cant wait to catch,thats wat its about.now on the farms we have to kill all.

yea the only people that should hate hogs is the farmers 

   lol  farmers ,  ranchers , city officials , golfers , wildlife conservationist , or any steward of the land as well as the home owner that has invested time sweat and money in their property .  it ain't just the farmers problem  .

  yep those were the  times when hogs were a person's property and as such they were liable for the damage a group of marked hogs did to a neighbors crops .  but back then a man could also go out in the woods and holler
 
         sooooooweeee and get their hogs to the pens

  the only problem with free ranging stock in texas , is that there is no such thing as free range left .  every inch of texas is now owned by somebody . 

I hear its the Eurasian blood that is in higher percentage these days that causes them to do that.

No way are you going to drive hogs now. With all the pressure from hog hunters, cutovers, & eurasion blood, it would be almost impossible to drive them.
  Back 35 years or so, I met people who had hogs in the woods & they would tell me about going in & putting a rope on a hog they wanted to barr or mark pigs. I knew they were talking about a different hog then what I had been hunting. In so. La. We got russians in the early 70's & they would break as soon as they smelled you. Also back then in the northern part of the state, they still had a lot of virgin timber. You could see 300 yards, so it was a lot easier for them to drive their hogs.

and I will add this as well...the cream rises to the top...all the flop eared big hammed with the rounded back hogs got caught and the russian type that can fightfight but would rather run... those are the ones who get away more often and as a resultare the ones who pass their genes to the following generations...so they have evolved to be faster, smarter, and with a lot more endurance...

And thats why daddy turned russian boars to the woods,he new times were changing,that alot would be caught are killed,just plain woods hog,so he mixed the russian hog in.was it right are wrong,i could care less,were our hogs was i couldnt c 300 yrds,unless looking down a logging road,and the woods were thick,thats were we made them stay the hogs.

No doubt its different hogs now days. I will say this all the hog haters will be glad their is pork in the woods one day. It may not be in the near future but its coming

   hell , I would just as soon eat possum   lol   

I tried possum and don't like it

the possums meat is a pretty pink and looks like it should taste good...when I was about 12 I was going to make some money selling hides and trying to skin them possums was a chore...it was hard having to smell those nasty smelling critters and the smell on my hands lasted a while...they say if you cook them right they taste pretty good but I will never know...  :)

I never could bring my self to skin one guess I just never got real hungry

Every time I see a possum it reminds me of lonesome Dove.  The caption said somewhere in east Texas.  The girl asked Deputy from Arkansas if she could tag along, that she could catch possum if he was hungry.


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We got about 1k acres in between my place and my hunting partners that we really select and manage the hogs and cull anything out that runs hard. The only dogs we hunt over here are pups that are starting to find a hog in my 6 acre wooden pen or my buddy's 10 acre wooden pen that is really thick. If the pups have the want to in their the we hunt them on this place by the house. All the hogs bay fairly easy and it really helps on building a young dogs confidence . Plus it's right by the house so we can hunt them several nights a week. After they are going good there then we'll start taking them hunting on our hunting leases or wherever we go and putting them in the long winded races. Personally myself I like a good runner. Let's you know what your feeding.

I like a big running boar that can't run because the dogs have it shut down...in open country no problem with the right dogs...thick brush/briars...same dogs maybe not...

Colecross those were the good old days. Unfortunately they are gone I would do just about anything to get them back.

You and me both boone.i just sit and day dream of them days.

You can catch hogs like you describe with a VERY average cur and one nice catch dog.   Some guys have tied enough hogs down that its no longer about catching a big fat hog.   All a guy is proving by catching them hogs is that he had good catch dogs.   Just catching a hog ain't that hard if he don't try to out run you.

Everyone gripes about a runner, I do too at times, especially when you're ready to go. But what I find most satisfying is when you get on one and run him hours and hours, miles and miles to catch him. That's when you know what kind of dogs you have and which ones don't have the heart to stay with him. Don't get me wrong I like goin to the woods and catch a bunch of hogs in a short quick hunt. Bit I really like a long race with a hog at the end of it.

An average cur dog doesn't have the nose or the brains to handle the type of work I'm asking of them. Most of the bigger boars will show you more country then you ever care to see, not to mention the fact that we cut our fair share of boars of all ages to replenish the population.

Different strokes for different folks I guess. You may catch big hogs constantly, I don't know, but I make it a point to try and catch them more often then not. I don't have anything to prove to anyone myself, and I hunt mutts, but I enjoy feeding em and catching my "tame" Barr hogs!

Man I need to get some of those very average cur dogs then

I been waiting on you to comment on this Ben to see what you would say. You handled it better than I thought you would. LOL. Lets just go and get some ole average dogs and we can catch every barr in the state.

Yeah Brent, I'd give my eye teeth for a dog that singled out them big tame Barrs  ;D

I guess I still got a lot of catching up to do to say I have caught enough hogs in my lifetime to wanna go run a shoat instead of a big hog...thinking about it like that, I hope I never catch up!

Lmao I hear that if very average dogs can do that I hate to see what good one is

Them big hogs are like big deer they don't get big by being dumb.