EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I'm sure there already threads on this no matter the breed what would you pay for a catch dog whether it be a lead in catch dog or a running catch dog I wouldn't sell mine because I don't sell my pits but just curious to what someone would price a proven catch dog . Mine will find and catch his own but it's got to be fresh just curious


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Wouldn't sell mine either. A great CD in my opinion is priceless. Although I'd pay top dollar for another 1 just like him. I may be wrong but I say a sure fire, no bs, catch on ear every time type of dog is worth $300-$500. I'd have no problem paying that if it's jam up CD.

X 2.  In the old days it was never hard to find a bulldog. You could go thru several to find the ones you want that suited you. Now unless you raise your own, it seems like it is a lot harder simply because a good bulldog is not for sale unless it's owner is getting out of hog hunting. Sure you see a lot for sale but most of them are crap.jmo.
  I would have no problem paying $500.00 or even more for a really good one that suited me & consider myself lucky for finding one. Just the cost of a pup, raising him up & taking him hunting, the seller would lose money selling one for $500.00. jmo

300 bucks for a good catchdog.

I would have to agree with you on your price range for a no nonsense straight up ear everytime type cd. ( I personally have never given near that much for a cd BUT if I was in a bind and the right cd became available I more than likely would )

Same as with strike dogs...what someone is willing to pay. The thing that gets me is the disparity between the two...particularly with started dogs and pups. (I understand the disparity when speaking of finished dogs)

A good catchdog is not as easy to find as most believe...

That is my view on it my bull dog is awesome I don't use a break stick nothin when I walk up if he feels me grab his vest he comes off most the time sometimes mainly if it's a big hog it's like he's trying to protect me because he's not coming off but he's caught two on his own on he broke the loop off his vest and bailed out the jeep and we didn't know he was gone because we were out catching piglets and he was caught on the sow about 300 yards away so in my mind he's priceless but my buddy is selling out and has a straight catch cat. And wants 800 but he's jam up I would pay it because I know him but I was thinkin about what people would pay for a catch dog tht they hadn't really spent time with


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Man now days with all the "dog deals gone bad" that we hear about it would be real hard for me to spend 300-500$ based off of someones word, unless I knew them pretty good, its too easy to get burned on a bad dog to justify passing off 300-500 bucks of your hard earned money not really knowing what you are getting. I have been lucky I guess, seems like since I started I have never had an issue finding a cd. If I didn't have one at the time one of my buddies did and if they didn't then I did. Hell 3/4 of the time I never even tote my cd because I know the guys that im going with have good cd's and its less hassle to leave mine at home  :D. Hell right now I have 2 at the house that will both catch a hog but I don't consider either of em catch dogs yet, one is a full blooded AB that was given to me and the other is a well built blue pit that was also given to me.

Hell not 2 miles down the road from me there is a boy breeding a damn blue pit gyp that only catches 50% of the time to any good lookin male he can get his hands on just to make a buck........ How many others do you think are doing the same thing??? That right there is the main reason that sub par bay dogs and cd's are all over the place these days and we hear about so many people being burned.

Exactly people Breed these dogs that ain't worth the food they eat at night and mark them as proven dogs when they haven't showed gold from sh** of being a good breedable dog that's going to make good dogs my dogs are good and out of known proven blood but even with good dogs and good blood you still will always have culls in the group but I would never sell a dog as started or finished to someone I didn't know because who knows he may work for me but not for you your style is different then mine and I got your money and you have a dog u don't like like people putting year old pups as finished strike dogs I'm not sayin you can't have a jam up young dog but to call it finished one week and post him three weeks before as young started dogs there's no trust in it anymore


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Ya your best bet at having a sure thing us either breed yourself or find a friend that does. Been raising our own cds and I promise it's whole lot easier and you don't have to put up with all the bs. I like a sure deal and raising your own is the only way to get close.

Man you nailed it! That is why I  breed my dogs for me as needed. If I have extra pups that I don't care to keep then I pass em around to hunting buddies that have hunted behind the parents and are familiar with both before the pups ever hit the ground.

and just so I'm clear I'm agreeing with you overall on what you are talking about regarding breeding dogs period, the dogs im speaking of breeding are my currs, like I said above I don't breed/raise cd's but I do have a readily available source for cd's when I need one   ;)

I was extremely lucky on my cd.  My buddy had her and gave her to me, but he had plenty of offers from people to buy her.  His idea was, I hunt with him, and he hunts with me, he knows how she catches, and I didn't have a good catch dog.  We both sleep better at night knowing that when we send the cd in, it is going to do it's job.  He could have sold her for pretty good money, but instead he gave her to me, and he continues to benefit from her. 

Also, seems like there are an influx of "bull dogs" out there right now.  Where I live, I wouldn't have a problem finding a free pit anytime.  I know that it wouldn't be out of proven blood lines, but if it would grab a hog and hang on, what more could you ask for?  Be hard to pay for a pit, when I could have 10 for free tomorrow.  BUT, as the old saying goes, most of the time you get what you pay for, especially with free dogs..........

Well put Nannyslayer. I know there's plenty of hunters out there who use "pound pits" or bull dogs they find for free here and there and I think there's nothing wrong with it at all if they catch right and have yard manners. I think the major change in the sport is that people value their dogs much more now than say 10-15 years ago. That's not to say that people didn't care but there were far less hunters and the ones who were doing it usually had at least 10-15 dogs. If one got cut down and was laid up it wasn't as big an issue because replacements were available. Now it seems your average hog dog owner keeps 8 or less and if a dog's on IR it's a much bigger loss to his team. That being the case,  a great catch dog that can stop a bad hog and hold smart and in doing so keep the strike dogs out of harm, is very much worth having around.

Very well said, basically the ? Should be is how much is your strike dog worth. A good CD can at years to a man's pack.

my best pit I ever had was a pound pit she was amazing she went everywhere with me but I found out tht she was used for a breeder pit for fighting dogs and she never showed one bit of aggression unless dogs were in a fight she would break them up she was my kid but I got lucky and that's it just sheer luck it's much better If you raise them regarding pits (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/17/ny5eseza.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/17/e4e9anut.jpg) that was her she was a tank if I could have her back today I would do whatever it took they say not to get close to them but it's hard when they love you as much as you love them and they show it


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 I feel that a catch dog is just as important as your best cur. A lot of dogs catch. Few are catchdogs. I gave 200-300 for one and got anther in a package deal. I would not sell ether one. I like knowing the hog is controlled when they get there. My best dog will help catch. Her getting cut has been drastically reduced after I got my big male bulldog. He is 90-95 pounds of hog hate.  I have never bred a dog but last week he was bred to a nice female catchdog if that says anything.

Those pics were back when I was a real poor man dc 20 a tracker classics don't miss them days at all


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its not bad to breed two proven dogs and if he's that big and if the dam is close give me a shout I may take one I want to raise one more


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Most I ever paid for a CD was $500. That was without seeing him catch...BUT...an albumn full of pics of the dog on hogs. I also must add.....I trusted the man. He was well known and had a good reputation.

"Bucky" was one of the best CD's I ever owned.

It all comes down to knowing then dog and how much it's worth to you but I would think other than your best strike dog you main cd should be just as important


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Well I paid 1450 for a bulldog as a pup , but she was the same bloodline as my male , reg Pitts  which dosent mean much to most but does to me in my program , I wouldn't sell any of my proven CDs for under a grand , and not going to sell any of the pups for under 500 , no doubt they will catch. , guaranteed , the key is socialization , pretty much the same story that has been pounded here , dummy's or no dummy's , handlers or idiots , dog men or getto men lol ,

Exatly I love my pit now just as much as my last but couldn't price him because I know what it's like to go with out one me and my buddy lost both of ours at the same time


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X2 ^

To me a good catch dog is worth more than a good strike dog.  If a strike dog doesn't do it's job we go home without pork. If a catch dog doesn't do it's job you may not go home!   Go catch some good hogs by yourself and the true value of a good catch dog is priceless.

Well put, it's when you get in a bind that you realize exactly what you have, or don't have and I'd sure hate to see that side of it.

I like knowing the hog is controlled when they get there. My best dog will help catch. Her getting cut has been drastically reduced after I got my big male bulldog. He is 90-95 pounds of hog hate.  I have never bred a dog but last week he was bred to a nice female catchdog if that says anything.
[/quote] its not bad to breed two proven dogs and if he's that big and if the dam is close give me a shout I may take one I want to raise one more
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Sounds good, it's hard to find good ones. 


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I have never sold a proven cd , I gave away a lot to buddies who
needed them, but a good CD is always priceless if your hunting
pigs... If my good buddy ask me for my #1 catch dog he could take
him in a heart beat and wouldn't have to give him back. I said good
buddies...
Done it before and would do it again except my Dogo (Diego) raised
him from a pup...

You wanna know what a good CD is worth? I say they are worth this(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/18/a7ebe8yg.jpg) it's something called memories. It's the same thing that any man's dogs should be worth to him. I think if you're looking for anything more, you might wanna get into to something else. But that's jmo, for what it is, or isn't worth.

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I know of three is give $500 each for but they wouldn't sell em

I've Been Iin a Bind for a catchdog for about a year and half now and would pay $500-$1000 for a catchdog that when u turn him loose u know he's gonna be hanging on the hogs ear. Had one and he got killed and that's when u really realize the importance of his role and how hard a great one is to come by. Still searching by the way.

I think the price depends on the depth of ur pocket. Same as any dog. I would figure dollar for dollar at 2 to 1 bay vs cd


Shotgun
Arkansas

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Name your price. Hes 3 not hunted much no people aggression.  Good handle.  Some issues. Champion blood line. Must go to loving home.

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Ohh. Must hunt with me first. Not looking for a lot of money

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(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/18/vepebane.jpg)heres mine. Cobaine has been with me for almost four years now an was two when my cousin give him to me. He was just a couch potato till the day I got him. Told my cousin he was either gunna make a hand or I would give him to my sister as a house dogs. I put a bay vest on em an threw him in the pen with a big boar(215#) that I had in the baypen. He looked clueless for about five seconds until instinct kicked in. Got tossed in the air a few time then caught ear and skull. Ever since then he's been a blessing. Been caught 30 mins and more several times from different circumstances in the woods. Best part is being able to speak to him like a human. Won't start a fight but he won't be made a punk either. Along with all my older males and a few females. I train mine to be hunting dogs not lap dogs, as well as family dogs. Any of my family and kids could ride any of them but when it's time to hunt playing is not on the agenda. I take precautions with him (kennel and log chain) because he has got ahold of a stray that came within reach on his chain while my female was in heat. In my opinion he did my job for me but saved me a bullet. All pits should be respected of their breed and what they were bred for. We've had dozens of pits in the past and ever dog is different. I have seen that when most males get older (6+) they have a small tolerance for BS just like an old man. I'm the same way but I no when to walk away and cool off, hard to teach an old male dog that. Getting ready to castrate my male soon with no doubt in my head he will still be the best CD I've ever hunted behind. I've turned down 1000$ for him twice and would turn down way more. If he was ever to leave my yard it would be to a very close buddy that I know would take care of him the same as me and I wouldn't sale him. If your in it for the money, you've completely missed the whole meaning of the sport.

Thts a good lookin pit right there


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Thanks mdj. He's fat in this pic from not being hunted much during deer season(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/19/su4uhe9a.jpg)
He leans down a lot when we start hunting 3+ days a week. If we get on a runner he gets cut loose after they run him for a bit and most of the time he has no problem catching up with the hog, he's got some good runnings gears under him to help. Only dog I own that I can tell to cross water wherever I want him to. Just tell him"go see" and he goes. The day he passes is gunna be a very hard pill to swallow

I'm sure sounds like he's pretty awesome


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Here's Brutus (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/19/gy3asy8y.jpg)


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That's one of my favorite! Love them rednose. I helped my stepdad breed his tiger striped red noses for several years. Never had one cull when it came to needing one as a catchdog. Not saying there isn't plenty culls walking the streets but the ones we raised aimed to please an were very smart dogs. Brutus is good looker!

Thank you very much yeah he looks good catches hard and aims to please every time before we go huntin he sits down and puts his foot up and waits till I shake his hand and then jumps up and it's like he's givin me a hug it's really cool it's like he saying I love you if I don't make it out of this one


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I've seen a few great bulldogs over the years and a lot of half a$$ ones. You won't know you had a great one until it's gone and your trying to replace him and it's hard nowadays to find good bulldogs. I know I've been hunting several times with some sorry bulldogs because that would be the replacements and I remember just hoping they would hold on long enough for me to get in there and get my hands on the hog or atleast hope they went in there haha and got enough dogs in there that something  would catch . I sure don't miss them days of hunting. It's when you get in these situations is when you ask your self how much is bulldog worth. I wouldn't take 2000$ for the one I use right now he's not worth that much but he's a pretty decent catch dog and i wouldn't know where to get another and I sure don't want to go back to the " hoping they catch dogs" now a good trusty catch dog is so hard to find I bought a vest for him because like to lost him a few times and I got to thinking i probably couldn't replace him and I have never been a vest person so we will see

Here is a ? To the ? Why do fellas pay 2000 for a strike dog but 100 for cd makes little since to me why the price difference totally different jobs but just as important try one with out the other

There are thousands of bulldogs in the pounds. That's why. Supply and demand. No these pound pits may not be the best option but for the most part u can find one that will hold. Some won't chance a questionable dog but many others will try them until they find a good one.


Shotgun
Arkansas

Another point is life expectancy. Look at the price of rough dogs oppose to loose dogs. Same scenario.


Shotgun
Arkansas

Yea they are very valuable but it would be hard to go pay 2000$ for one that you know the odds are against everytime you load him up. As to where a strike dog he has a little better odds to coming back home as to a bulldog who has very good odds of not getting to come back home

I diss agree there are thousands of dogs in the pound I would say for every one you could turn into a catch dog there is one there that would make a strike dog just would not be of the preferred breed that's the only thing I see and since 2004 we have only lost one cd and he wasn't found dead just never found him and have only lost two bay dogs to hogs so I don't understand all of the losses people say must be due to no vest on those cd cuz I have caught my share of big pigs with these sorry dogs of mine and to tell the truth most cut are on the same dogs over and over cd usely come out Scott free but I value my catch dog way more than the rest I guess that's all


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back in the 1980's it seemed most apbt's made catch dogs...nowadays it is not so...I culled 2 straight and I had raised them as pups...I still prefer a top notch strike dog first...then a good catch dog...

A GOOD cd is worth saving you and your other dogs injuries small all the way to mortal.  Not sure how u put a price on that, but apparently, it aint worth too much! Lol.  I think Shotgun said it about right though

Yes Ruben I agree with out a strike dog you ain't going to find much but with a good catch dog no matter the breed be hard to catch one


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U can think about it like this. When a man is looking for a cd his first priority is that it catch. Second part is usually catch ear. Third is no HA. Fourth is no DA. Then comes go to the bay and quite in the box. After point 1 there is always someone that would give the dog a chance if the price is right.

Now look at a bay dog. First is find its own hog. No trash. Loose or rough (preference) go to bay, bottom, range . All of that is for a well started dog a man wants to give 5 to 700 for. Any less than all of these points and a dog is a cull.

While a CD is an important part of the full picture it can be done without him. The likely hood of finding this dog for a relatively low amount of money is probable. While finding a bay dog as described for the same money is possible but not probable.

I will agree that there are some people that lose dogs on a regular basis that I believe do not do enough to protect them because they feel they are a dime a dozen. These same people have a tendency to lose bay dogs as well.

I personally can't afford a bay dog that cost $1,000.00 much less a bulldog. My max I could spend for a good dog is $500. I know that will probly never buy me a good dog but it is what it is. A bull dog max for me would be about $250 because regardless of how much gear I put on him to protect him he is going into the eye of the storm. One good lick could end it in the blink of an eye. Once I got a good dog be it a CD or Bay/strike dog I would never think about selling them for 2 or even 3x the price I paid. It would take holy smokes money and even then I would have to think about it.


Shotgun
Arkansas

Shot gun I hear what you are saying I guess the big thing for me and my dogs is that my cd helps my bay dogs not the other way around like most doggers I value all my dogs equal for each part they play I have never paid big money for a dog cuz well I ain't got big money but you couldn't get any of my dogs cheap from me cuz if they work I keep em if you look at the dog trade looks like just as many people looking or selling each jmo


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Well the question was "what's a catch dog worth"... Just any old cd that you can lead in and him go to a bay short range- free/100$. I've never sold one for more then 50$ I did trade a guy a six foot trailer one time, still haven't used it smh. Real easy to get just another cd, but the good ones and the great ones are few an far between.

Just being able to catch good and ride in a box or truck well doesn't do much for me. I guess I'm just harder to please when it comes to catch dogs. If he can't handle the heat/walking miles/back to back hunts the dog is just another cd. Don't get me wrong, the big fat pretty muscled up bulldogs I see all the time are nice but I've seen plenty die and a hog never touched one. The heat and drowning is a big issue with the big muscled up breeds. That's one big reason a lot of people walk their bulldog all the way up to the bay, then pray that they do t miss and the hog doesn't break for a river.

when you get that catchdog that pretty much does every single thing that you could ask for him, there's not a price tag you can put on em. ALTHOUGH I am looking for a house:) haha

i like that


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