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Title: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: Dino1 on September 28, 2014, 08:17:44 pm Back in the 1980's when Joe Painter was living in Chicago, I bought two American Bulldogs off of him. They were supposedly out of his famous Sgt. Rock dog. I later acquired a few more pure Painter dogs. All turned out great, maturing at about 85 pounds. Two were proven catch dogs in Florida, all good with kids, and all lived a long healthy life. As far as I can see the Painter/Margentina bloodline has not been maintained as has just about vanished. I know that Don Matthew of Konfederate Kennels has a stud he bought of the Margentinas. Throwback Kennels was breeding them for a while, but I heard they dropped out (not sure that is true). Does anyone know of any kennels that have maintained the Painter bloodline?
Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: Teag_D on September 28, 2014, 09:05:48 pm Margentinas still breed. Some of the Painter blood was used and crossed to Bama Boy, Tates / Stovers Dutchess Lady, and other more similar dogs to what Painter was already working with. In general they comprise the "Performance Blood" ABs. There are several kennels working with this family and crosses.
Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: Scott on September 28, 2014, 11:50:01 pm When Mike Margentina started breeding again a few years back Joe had given him the only dog he had left. He was an inbred dog that Mike bred to a gyp from Danny Barnes that was Painter/Scott on top and Deets on the bottom. Mike also bred that male to one of Alan's gyps that went back to his old stuff (no Crusher). That produced Don's dog and Alan's dog (Mikey). Joe and his son did get back a couple of dogs that were supposedly bred down fom his dogs from out west. But, they ended up returning them as they did not suit them. So, really, if you're talking heavy to pure Painter blood...there's not really too much out there to choose from. Now Mike did breed the number 2 out of that old dog that Joe gave him...so you can find it...just diluted to varying extents.
Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: Lacy man on September 29, 2014, 08:03:34 am Real good thread I enjoy readin about these bulldogs
Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: Myles Man on September 29, 2014, 08:54:12 am I've got this 3 yr old good n heavy Margentina gyp....I'd really like to find a Painter/Margentina stud but don't really know of any from what I can remember, if I found one it might make a good breeding-but as far as I have learned there's plenty good suds of different types of great lines that will get the job done, but preserving the pedigree and keeping the gene pool going is something I'd like to be a part of.....so any detail on a stud that would keep a tight pedigree of Painter/Margentina- I'd like to know about em
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_bulldog/dog.html?id=1264930-american-legendz-country-strong-b Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: Teag_D on September 29, 2014, 09:56:01 am Thats a nice bred female you have there. American Legendz has a good hand full of very nice studs. Also, a couple different bloodlines with those families in different concentrations. If you are close to him Id recommend going to see what he has and what would work for your needs.
Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: UNDERDOG on September 29, 2014, 10:22:47 am I've got this 3 yr old good n heavy Margentina gyp....I'd really like to find a Painter/Margentina stud but don't really know of any from what I can remember, if I found one it might make a good breeding-but as far as I have learned there's plenty good suds of different types of great lines that will get the job done, but preserving the pedigree and keeping the gene pool going is something I'd like to be a part of.....so any detail on a stud that would keep a tight pedigree of Painter/Margentina- I'd like to know about em http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_bulldog/dog.html?id=1264930-american-legendz-country-strong-b Shes really not heavy at all on the margintina stuff...she only carrys a 1/4. you'd be better to go with a hines bred dog as far as matching your ped. Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: Myles Man on September 29, 2014, 10:55:51 am Ok, not heavy, just some of the painter/margentina in the ped......the goal is makin what's good better. Thanks for the clarification
Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: UNDERDOG on September 29, 2014, 11:48:37 am No harm intended....may be able to find something off of fred bred to another performance bred dog.
Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: lgcurdogs on September 29, 2014, 08:05:37 pm Alan Scott`s Mikey dog go`s back to Sargent Rock 5 times and is bred to a Crusher daughter now , Owl Hollow Kennels . I have a dog bred the same way ,making a dog really smart an listens.
Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: Americanlegendz on October 07, 2014, 09:24:38 pm http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_bulldog/dog.html?id=2041607-american-legendz-dirty-sanchez
I still got some stuff straight from the margentinas out on the yard. I just messaged mike and Patti couple days ago so we keep tabs with each other often and some Fred stuff is always available in the future Myles. I'm going to breed dirty to some other performance family blood soon so stay tune. Got one in east Texas catching bad hogs and is a brindle monster. Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: biguns on May 31, 2015, 08:34:22 am I have a young female line bred to Scott's Crusher line that I'd like to breed to a leggy, working catch dog. I'd like for the stud to be 25" or taller. My female is almost a year old and I'm just staring her. She's going to be good. Looking for options. It will be next year before I breed her.
Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: blakebh on May 31, 2015, 09:30:59 am Got a male pup coming in a few weeks!
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/breeding.result?father=931378&mother=1349217 From what I understand Hank was sold to a man in Canada and is no longer in the states. He is also half bro to mikes Millie gyp I believe. Can't wait to see how he turns out! Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: biguns on May 31, 2015, 09:38:06 am Blakebh, Please send me a message.
Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: warrent423 on May 31, 2015, 10:29:50 am When Mike Margentina started breeding again a few years back Joe had given him the only dog he had left. He was an inbred dog that Mike bred to a gyp from Danny Barnes that was Painter/Scott on top and Deets on the bottom. Mike also bred that male to one of Alan's gyps that went back to his old stuff (no Crusher). That produced Don's dog and Alan's dog (Mikey). Joe and his son did get back a couple of dogs that were supposedly bred down fom his dogs from out west. But, they ended up returning them as they did not suit them. So, really, if you're talking heavy to pure Painter blood...there's not really too much out there to choose from. Now Mike did breed the number 2 out of that old dog that Joe gave him...so you can find it...just diluted to varying extents. This Danny Barnes feller, is he still around and if so, do you have a contact number for him. I've got a friend here in SE Tn that has some Brack blood along with some old Barnes stuff. They are "the kind' I have been looking for.Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: Canyonranch on June 02, 2015, 09:14:24 am We are partial owners of cornerstone bulldogs out of burleson tx. We breed performance AB (scott type) go check us out at www.cornerstonebulldogs.com
Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: GAhunter on June 03, 2015, 07:42:10 pm Got a male pup coming in a few weeks! http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/breeding.result?father=931378&mother=1349217 From what I understand Hank was sold to a man in Canada and is no longer in the states. He is also half bro to mikes Millie gyp I believe. Can't wait to see how he turns out! Hank is in France now. That should be a very nice pup! Don has some pups now off of his current catch dog which is Hank's son bred to a female that catches and has a few brothers who are catch dogs. Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: koyote76 on June 04, 2015, 01:20:05 am I hunted with hank from when he was a very young catchdog. Hank was/is a great catch dog. Ive caught alot of hogs behind hank and have alot of stories from that dog. If i had the money i would of got ol hank myself. That dog literally has some phenomal wind....i don't think ive ever seen hank out of breath. Could run all day. I dont know how many times ive said to myself"...wish hank was here"
Dons got some great dogs...... crow and hank are some of the most gifted bulldogs ive ever seen. Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: Judge peel on June 11, 2015, 06:40:45 pm Koyote76 man when you say that a few times that's when you know he would have made the difference
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: Lacy man on June 15, 2015, 10:11:40 pm We are partial owners of cornerstone bulldogs out of burleson tx. We breed performance AB (scott type) go check us out at www.cornerstonebulldogs.com Mighty large price tag there if I wasn't mistaken I d almost think their dogos by the $ is this typical? Just curious the max good bred bulldog pup I ve seen went for around $500-600 top end and median being more around $200-300 and that's full blooded proven parents type Bulldogs with peds to prove it. What do your Bulldogs do exactly? Are they mostly catch dogs for wild hogs or protection, or more for show? Just asking out of curiosity. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: Haggiebear on June 17, 2015, 02:34:01 am The margentinas are still into it.... They were at my house earlier this year picking up a pup out of a bitch they produced.. The bitch is a sister to American legendz dirty... The male pup is they picked up was from a mother to son breeding... Crunching up on naughtys ped with an out of leatherneck blood... Can't wait to see him in a year or two.... His sire snapper made a good bulldog and is with a hunter in Louisiana named Brandon I believe Juan sent him a dog too... Snapper has caught the hogs I put him on.. Hopefky he continues to progress in Brandon's hands... Here is a ped to my snapper dog... http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_bulldog/dog.html?id=2109774-castillos-yetti Like Juan i keep in touch with the margentinas and will be collaborating with them in hopes of producing some honest Bulldogs for them myself and others interested in this blood... Juan Britt gave me your number I'll give you a call this weekend I've got some cool breedings I'm doing that u may be interested in....
Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: alphabravo on July 20, 2015, 01:57:43 am When Mike Margentina started breeding again a few years back Joe had given him the only dog he had left. He was an inbred dog that Mike bred to a gyp from Danny Barnes that was Painter/Scott on top and Deets on the bottom. Mike also bred that male to one of Alan's gyps that went back to his old stuff (no Crusher). That produced Don's dog and Alan's dog (Mikey). Joe and his son did get back a couple of dogs that were supposedly bred down fom his dogs from out west. But, they ended up returning them as they did not suit them. So, really, if you're talking heavy to pure Painter blood...there's not really too much out there to choose from. Now Mike did breed the number 2 out of that old dog that Joe gave him...so you can find it...just diluted to varying extents. This Danny Barnes feller, is he still around and if so, do you have a contact number for him. I've got a friend here in SE Tn that has some Brack blood along with some old Barnes stuff. They are "the kind' I have been looking for.Let me know what you find out Warren. Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: warrent423 on July 20, 2015, 08:52:23 pm When Mike Margentina started breeding again a few years back Joe had given him the only dog he had left. He was an inbred dog that Mike bred to a gyp from Danny Barnes that was Painter/Scott on top and Deets on the bottom. Mike also bred that male to one of Alan's gyps that went back to his old stuff (no Crusher). That produced Don's dog and Alan's dog (Mikey). Joe and his son did get back a couple of dogs that were supposedly bred down fom his dogs from out west. But, they ended up returning them as they did not suit them. So, really, if you're talking heavy to pure Painter blood...there's not really too much out there to choose from. Now Mike did breed the number 2 out of that old dog that Joe gave him...so you can find it...just diluted to varying extents. This Danny Barnes feller, is he still around and if so, do you have a contact number for him. I've got a friend here in SE Tn that has some Brack blood along with some old Barnes stuff. They are "the kind' I have been looking for.Let me know what you find out Warren. Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: warrent423 on July 20, 2015, 08:54:35 pm Messed up on the Quote thing ;D
Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: alphabravo on July 28, 2015, 08:58:06 pm When Mike Margentina started breeding again a few years back Joe had given him the only dog he had left. He was an inbred dog that Mike bred to a gyp from Danny Barnes that was Painter/Scott on top and Deets on the bottom. Mike also bred that male to one of Alan's gyps that went back to his old stuff (no Crusher). That produced Don's dog and Alan's dog (Mikey). Joe and his son did get back a couple of dogs that were supposedly bred down fom his dogs from out west. But, they ended up returning them as they did not suit them. So, really, if you're talking heavy to pure Painter blood...there's not really too much out there to choose from. Now Mike did breed the number 2 out of that old dog that Joe gave him...so you can find it...just diluted to varying extents. This Danny Barnes feller, is he still around and if so, do you have a contact number for him. I've got a friend here in SE Tn that has some Brack blood along with some old Barnes stuff. They are "the kind' I have been looking for.Let me know what you find out Warren. I hear ya. Found a breeder in SC That has " old time southern bullodgs" that are basically Hines line dogs bred to Bosshog and again to pitbulls. Catch a hogs like a sonovagun, claims have been made that these dogs can herd but I've seen no evidence. http://stevensonsbulldogs.webnode.com/ Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: Americanlegendz on August 09, 2015, 10:24:38 am Pastor Mark is as honest as they come. He has some nice foundational bulldogs. Stevenson's Jet has that boss hog blood and is a real nice male.
Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: warrent423 on August 09, 2015, 06:20:36 pm thanks for the info. Although I can see the "pit" in some of his dogs, I would like to talk to him about some of the others. Before I get to involved, what's his average price tag on them dogs.
Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: Americanlegendz on August 09, 2015, 10:03:03 pm hate to speak for anyone but I know pastor mark and he's always willing to workout deals with hog hunters and people who work their bulldogs. I'm sure if you speak to him he would work out a nice working deal with u. He's a very reasonable man.
Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: Americanlegendz on August 09, 2015, 10:16:01 pm as far as danny goes he is on facebook. I don't know if he's still in dogs. I haven't spoken with him for about 2 years. I sent the white bulldog I had from his breeding to Myles. Myles bred her to a hybrid American bulldog some time back.
Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: Americanlegendz on August 09, 2015, 10:31:21 pm here's old school Painter/Margentina x White English blood. Pup I had on the yard from Mike and Patti Margentina.
American Legendz La LLorona (http://i697.photobucket.com/albums/vv337/Americanlegendz/margen_zpsdb73f394.jpg) (http://s697.photobucket.com/user/Americanlegendz/media/margen_zpsdb73f394.jpg.html) Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: warrent423 on August 10, 2015, 11:54:58 am 10-4 I'm going to holler at him this evening.
Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: Myles Man on August 18, 2015, 07:37:53 pm Yea, I tried to cross Red with my yard dog to produce some bigger type AB's. The outcome is making me sick.....I'm thinking the pup my neighbors own "kilo" got to her before Macho.
I will just say her 1st litter was a practice run.lol Other than that I'd say Red is a real deal bulldog, she's all there and is doing a great job..... Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: Myles Man on August 18, 2015, 08:23:07 pm (http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o637/mylesman1/C917BEE6-C374-4405-B59F-E0CC024C322D_zpszdvjfjua.png) (http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/mylesman1/media/C917BEE6-C374-4405-B59F-E0CC024C322D_zpszdvjfjua.png.html)
(http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o637/mylesman1/509175E3-B321-42CB-8083-7BB2B641DFF6_zpsvmoeogwh.png) (http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/mylesman1/media/509175E3-B321-42CB-8083-7BB2B641DFF6_zpsvmoeogwh.png.html) (http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o637/mylesman1/5CCEC24F-2556-4DCE-889F-C50A7252DD29_zpstixu0xg4.png) (http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/mylesman1/media/5CCEC24F-2556-4DCE-889F-C50A7252DD29_zpstixu0xg4.png.html) Title: Re: Painter American Bulldogs? Post by: Pwilson_10 on August 20, 2015, 05:04:17 am That's a cool picture I never thought of taking a picture like that
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