EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

I know this topic has been beat to death probably but i wanna c more recent thoughts. This is how i consider a dogs huntn range and wish everyone else would too gets kinda aggravating esp if ur tryn to buy a started dog. I will start off sayn what my one and only strike dog at this time is. she is very short ranged to me which to me means if we r just riding or walkn around for the most part she stays within sight 100yrds or less. Now when she winds one or gets on a track she is gone however far it is to the hog unless she is unable to work it out. I think some ppl esp tryn to sell dogs refer to this as their "hunting range" . , which to me is not. I dnt wanna hear a dogs range refered to as when they are on a track or how far they go with another dog. I wanna know how said dog hunts on its own and their range is how far they run around checking for sign "not when they are on it" ! Does anyone else feel this way?

Well all my dogs find pigs. I own 4 dogs and a few puppies don't need 30 dogs to find pigs. There range is first my main dog she is med to me 300-700 consistently every time I hunt. Second he ranges 200-400 by himself. Third she more of a hood but has started hunting 400yds steady. Last well he's my catch dog but if I let him he averages 500. With that said yes these dogs have been miles out there but yardage wise that's what they hunt usually before they get on it where I hunt.

Slckhunter you bout summed it up.  Range don't bother me to much as long as they are busy mine range bout 0 to where the pigs are. Range is way over rated you shouldn't ask how far they go on a regular basis you ask how often do they find pigs when there isn't much around before any one gets crazy I do understand range and what it does.  I can vouch for ferris dogs they pretty dang good

Hey im new to this sight but just thought I would comment. I like a dog to hunt and not under my feet but as long as they are staying busy i can work around how far they are ranging most of the time. However I wish that something could be posted somewhere that everyone agrees on as far as range is concerned and if there is let me know lol. I know everybody's idea of short range or long range is different but I just bought a dog that was suppose to long range and I took him on trial and I could see the dog the whole time we were hunting. Now im stuck with a dog that doesn't really suit me bc got the run around on bringing him back which is another story for another time lol. Just would be nice if everybody was on the same page  ;D I agree with you guys though a dogs range should be how far they go looking for sign or pigs not how far they take a track.

Thanks Judgepeel my dogs do have bad days also. But for the most part there consistent.

It doesn't matter if it was outlined in the dictionary. A dog peddler went at it to screw you , and told you what you wanted to hear, and got the job done. It's ashamed it happens as much as it does .

If everybody would quit getting hung up on range and breed for really good find dogs that hunt hard, the hunting dog world would be a better place. Instead of asking how far they hunt, grill them about how good a find dog it is. I've seen some great find dogs in all ranges. Like my Dad allways said, from the length of a corn cob 'till they droped dead.

Bigo that's what I like.  a dog don't have to be long range to be a good dog. The only differents between short and long range dogs is the distance from you to them. I have seen short range dogs out strike longer range dogs more than I seen long over short but I dong hunt with many long long range dogs ether

Very true Yall! Consistency and steady, fast hunting speed will find hogs fast!   I walk hunt so I like the dogs to be short to med range and property's i hunt are better fit for shorter to medium range dogs.  How i judge range is when i cast my dogs I take a note on how far he is really averaging on what he does after the first cast In No sign.

A friend of mine used to have a name for those dogs that hunt pretty hard that very seldom found game for the amount of hunt they had...brush beaters...

the ability to find game is a quality that should be bred for...just like Bigo said...

Yeh i like all that. Just would b nice if all would b on the same page. Not in the market for buying one right now between mine and my buddys dogs we do pretty good. However i do still ask q's when i see dogs come up that they make sound too good to b true. I like to know who the peddlers are  ;)
 

Personally I'd rather have a dog go hunt and find pigs than shine my boots till we run over one. Jmo

I agree Slck I do the same thing. But you know the more you expose these people the better off the dog trade is. There is nothing wrong with buying selling or trading dogs it has been going on for decades . My grandfather and his grandfather bought sold and traded dogs and I know the majority of you guys and family history has done as well.  
Sorry to be brutal but the way I was brought up if the dog didn't hunt then the dog didn't live. No matter if you got screwed or not. I have bought dogs for to much money in the past and hunted them and thought to myself " dang I got screwed" oh well where is my pistol?  I'm not going to sell the dog to someone else that's why junk continues to breed.
I've learned if I don't know the person well enough that he will let me take the dog huntin before money is exchanged then I don't buy it.

All i need is dogs that stay busy huntin . Ta hell with range.

One good thing bout those boot shiners is when you get done hunting you can go dancing

Lol Judgepeel.

As far as cur dogs go, they can be the most long range, fastest track dogs on the planet, but if they don't attempt to "stop" and square the hog up from the front once they get there, they ain't worth a piss in my opinion. ;)

amen to that...

Here we go with that cur dog crap again. Cur can do this and that come start living reality. Curs r good but there not the best. To some people they r cause they've never seen nothing better. Jmo

Amigo, my kin have been using cur dogs to scratch out a living in South/Central Florida for better than 150 years. Our family tree is fully "rooted" in reality. How long ya'll been here.  Don't recall mentioning anything about cur dogs being the best and for the record, I personally wouldn't feed one that was long range.  Mine are close range, work off my command. and I'm a good enough woodsman to get them close enough to strike whatever is being worked that day ;)

Most people that grow up with working stock dogs are refering to a type and style of dog when they say cur not any particular breed or color. The best way for a dog to stop any animal is to get to the front of them and square up in front of the animal.

It's all opinions from here on out , but maybe you just haven't hunted with the right cur dogs to feel the way you do.

I'm personally a cur dog man, but I like cold dogs, so hounds aren't out of the picture, but I've seen enough cur dogs that could trail with some of the better hounds out there, so I'll keep trying to raise a cur dog that suits me.

I just like good dogs color or breed don't matter to me if can bring something to the table short range or long I am happy

Just out of curiosity Ferris... what is the best in your opinion?

My opinion, my catch dogs are the best.  They seal the deal everytime!  ;D

Agree with this 100% This is how it has been where I'm from for centuries ;) Lots of different ways to catch hogs though. To each his own.

As usual we are on the same page! well said sir.

Well I have yet to see a cold enough cur dog to out strike the Curxhounds I ve hunted behind but that's just what I ve seen with my own two eye balls

thats the beauty of it what is good for one guy is trash for the other and vice versa

Wish I could find a good cur x hound cross or a good pure hound to breed to my cur I just ain't seen one that makes me go wow I know of one real good plot but he ain't got nuts

There is a lot of good post on here about dogs and their ability to range, however, I belilever the dog does not always  control wether he or she is a short, med, or long range dog. I have dogs that will some times really roll out, and some times they dont hunt out so far.   take a dog that is use to hunting thick cover, put him in the river swamp, he should roll out further.... some people love to walk hunt some cast, some track, some do it all..  at the end of the day, if your dog regaurdless of how far he gets from you , can make a unwilling hog a movie star, consistantly, well thats what its about and thats the dog we all should want.  

judge, my jane dog is breed to such a dog, silent on track and he is just that a track dog. he will go from track to track unless the hog crosses a lot of water where he looses it , there is pork on the end every time.    you dont have to take my word for it , but i have seen a hog cross in the middle of the day , and go back the next morning and put on that hog and go bay him... the most amazing silent track dog I have ever seen....

Wow backwoods that's awesome what kind of hound is it where ya located. You got any picks

I like it Backwoods, well said sir!

judge I never have posted pic, mostly my own lazy self and not setting up a photo buck account or what ever it is im suppose to do.  the dog is just east of Pensicola ,  and im not kidding a fine dog,,  only down fall is  if he cant smell it he comes back and you might as well find another track and find where that hog has crossed another road.... I have hunted with some of the finest find dogs I have ever seen, but this dog takes the cake as a strait track dog....

There has never been a good dog the wrong color!!!!

I know that's right

Without a doubt the best hog dogs ever are the deceased ones. The longer a dog is dead the better he used to be. And if there is no witnesses that knew the dog then it was twice as good. With that being said the old dog man in grew up around would say If your dog is good then everyone else will brag on him so you don't need too.

Most guys won't say some one else's dogs are good when there better than that guys dogs but they will tell you bout another guys dogs that ain't with ya ha ha. dang ne'er every one I have ever talk to has the best dogs rang farther rougher faster strike more catch better hunt harder kinda funny lol. We are just average but we give em hell

I think people get to caught up in all this range kinda thing.  If you got big big land then you most likely like big big range dogs .  Dogs that range out a mile are so looking for hogs and sign.  If your like me and the biggest place you got is 4000 acres and all the other places 500 to a 1000 you most likely like short to med range dogs.   I think people look at this to much as they judge a dog .  I have heard over the years aw man if he don't range out a 1/2 mile to a mile looking for sign are pigs he is not a real hog dog.  I call B.S.

I like dogs that find hogs and if that is short range going out only 250 yds hunting then so be it ,  if the dog is med range and goes out 500 yds to 800 yds and finds hogs on a consistent deal then that is good with me .  Also even the big big range dog I like them if they find hogs on a consistent deal but I cannot own them because my land says I cant unless I want more Trespassing tickets .

Do be the one that lets range sell you on a dog.  You have no ideal what that do is doing unless you got a saddle on him and right there.    I have seen some short to med range dogs but big big range dogs in the dirt.  You would find two to three hogs all the time the big big range dog is still out looking and then of course there is some really truly great great great big big range dogs that are second to none .

To sum it up I just like dogs that find hogs .  I prefer short to med dogs and cannot use a big big range type of dog.   If a short are med range dog can get out stay busy and find hogs on a consistent basis then am sold on that dog because that is what I need .  Range to me is way way over rated when it comes to dogs .

I believe the range is overrated myself.   I am more interested in a dog like Backwoods is describing.   I find one that can take an 18 hr track and he can follow me around all night.   

One other thing I would like to say here.  If am going hog hunting am going to take my dogs to were I think there is hogs .  Most the time in a area that is mile are less long x mile wide are so .  Am gonna drop my dogs out as close as I can to the hot spots most the times we will road them up to the hot spot and they are gone way before we ourselves ever get there .  Of course the hogs are not always there in that spot and the dogs really have to work to line one out but most the time do within this mile x mile kinda spot .  This is why I say range is way over rated to me unless you just have a big time use for it then its a good thing .  A dog that stays busy hunting looking for sign and pigs I don't think have to range out mile mile and half .  Anyway just me . 

in decent hog sign If I want to free cast my dogs while I wait I know they will strike in one hundred yards or 1 mile...if I am moving along I want them to hunt a little closer and look for hotter sign...but they will find the hogs if they are to be found...that is about the kind of dogs I like...dogs that have the knack to find the game they are after...

Good stuff guys I have heard a bunch of stuff I would call bs on range is one of them is further out don't mean much to me I take my short range dogs to open terrain and they become long range. Just like I hear people say if dog won't run a hong for miles till it stops ain't a hog dog I call bs on that to. It all comes down to what a fella wants or calls a good dog

Couldn't have said it better myself there peel!!!!     "It all comes down to what a fella wants or calls a good dog"     Me and you went over this before!!!

Yes sir we have lol it's all good

Prefer a short - medium range dog with a bunch of bottom.

And the best type of dogs are the ones who strike pigs in real life and not just those stories  ;D

All post are stories and what is real life if you can read this than it's real life. The good thing bout stories is you have to live them or make them up as you go

Just like I hear people say if dog won't run a hong for miles till it stops ain't a hog dog I call bs on that to. It all comes down to what a fella wants or calls a good dog

Judge , Am with you on this also.  I call BS on this also. That aint nothing but EGO.  I have seen some mighty mighty fine hog dogs that would come back after a couple hours are more because we could not get to them on that proptery and Some come back half dead !  I have seen more than a few of these kinds of dogs that have found hundreds of hogs and were great dogs .  If they were not bona fide hog dogs then I need to hang it up.  Also  I have seen more than a few of these dogs give their lives doing what they loved and die with a mouth full of boar  .

So y'all consider a dog that quits a hog to be a good dog?

What it sounds like long as they find em they ain't gotta finish em? Guess they wouldn't like hunting these parts much ;)

Mike and lacy man check this out. When my dogs strikes a hog 50% of the time it's a caught hog on the spot. If it runs a mile or so it best not be 80 lbs. and the further it run past 2 or 3 miles and my dog is still on it tells me that is a big stud hog most hogs that run that far or farther I catch. And if y'all are implying that y'all's never fall off a hog or get out run I will call bs on that to the best dogs get beat to. My dogs ain't nothing fancy but they do a good job for me and that's all I or u should care about if your will to walk ten miles thru some rough rough thickets cross rivers and creeks no buggys or trucks you are more than welcome to come and show me what a dog is sposta do lol

I start thinking I need longer range dogs sometimes but when I look back at the ones i've had and compare them to what i have now. I hands down get more hogs bayed now than ever before. I bayed more last year than the previous 3 combined and that was in around a four month period.I rarely go and come up empty and i hunt a lot less now days. I wish my dogs had more grit but as far as find dogs they are about as good as i could hope for. I thought the goal was to get game. if the dog does that i think be extremely happy. over thinking the process just ruins the hunt. if the dogs good then the pigs are there or they arent and if they are the dogs find them. so what does the rest really matter?

Yes sir jagdtank

What I was implying down here when the hog is found unless it's a rcd they re gunna run.. Period... and if your dog is gunna just go a mile or two then you won't be catching many hogs down here.. Typically if we strike a hog it's 3-6 hours later before you see that hog. That even goes for the 80 lbers if they slip out once they find em. They don't take a bay until their tired (referring to the hogs) but if y'all want your more than welcome to come hunt down here anytime to see what we re talkin about. Where bouts you boys from??

I guess it's all relative to the hogs you're hunting. Most of the places I hunt the hogs are so dog spoiled they run like deer and never check up. If you don't have a dog that will stick with one, you won't fare to well. About 4 or 5 hours is all I care to run one and I'll usually call the dogs out after that... but I've had more all day or all night races than I care to remember. Quitting is the number one thing I cull for, and I've culled plenty.

Agreed

I hear what your saying lacy man the furthest my dog has ran a hog is around 20 miles and over the hole day and night has done this many times. Most of my dogs won't even bark at any thing under 100 lb the hogs up where I hunt have been dogged by me or some one else since the late 80ds. The key thing I have learned in stopping these hogs that will run is a balance of speed and gritt. I am in waxahachie tx hunt all over the area It can be very hard hunting around here if your dog won't bust the thickets you can give it up

Mike my ideal dog shouldn't have to keep up with a hog it should stop it. Know like any thing in life this is the plan it don't always work out but when it does it's the best of both worlds. I do like a big bottom dog tho so when they take off you might have a chance to bay up again

Isn't that near the dfw area? Pretty juicy country from what I ve always heard and the hogs tend to bay nice there? Maybe It was a story.

Ha ha lacy man some do some don't just like any where else the key is having a solid group of dogs hell you can get out ran any where or whooped any where

That area is considered north texas right?

Yea I hear ya man

Judge, it's hard to stop one in 1,000's of acres of pine cut over. Hogs will leave the fastest dogs behind real quick. I've taken lots of folks over the years that are used to hunting easier country with plentiful hogs... they say if this is all they had to hunt they'd quit huntin'.

Yep I am south of Dallas bout 40 min I have hunted way north tx west tx and east tx still catch hog I have caught a few big ones down north of Huston few yrs back with my buddy I have never hunted south tx

Mike it's simple I have hunted my whole life no matter where I am at win or lose I will hunt. I am a poor country boy never had a wheeler or buggy but I can promise you this no matter where I was I would find a way to win that's what winners do no matter the obstacle

Yea north of houston is candy land bud, I think mike is talking about is places we go like kountze, corrigan, newton, etc

I d be honestly I couldn't walk behind my dogs or the guys I hunt with because we d loose them wen they got on a hog

I like long range dogs that bay the vast mojority of hogs within hearing distance.

Lacy man it was chester where we hunted I don't know what you meen candy land if your implying that I am soft you are highly mistaken

Range is how far they go to find scent. Bottom is how far the will follow that scent to make it stand and look at them.

I thought that was what the original question statement was. The rest is preference. What works for one may or may not work for the other. As style changes so do the requirements.


Shotgun
Arkansas

Lol candy land is what we refer to as a damn good place to hunt with a lot of hogs bud.

If I had dogs that never quit a hog.  I would imagine I would not still b hunting hogs .  I would b throwen under the jail house somewhere.  Sure I like dogs with great bottom and stay till the end.  The thing is t g ese days with the land I hunt I have to have a happy medium are else am not gonna b hunting because all my money is going for fines. So Happy medium is key with me in both range and bottom.  I been on 30 mile races all day and half the nite and be trespassing like a big dog just waiting on the law to drive up are meet a piised off land ower with a gun which one time I did.  So if a dog finds me hog on a consistent basics and has maybe not great great bottom but for the most part enuff range and bottom to get most hogs we get on but will come back after a four five hour chase t h en Am good with that.  Now on the other hand if said dog comes off in a short time no he will not work for me.  So I guess a person could say am a happy camper in our three four hour races when we do most time end up with the hog and if not that is th ood also cant get them all but we are then off to find the next one and a lot of times not that far while the big big bottom dogs and men are still chasing and waiting.  This is just me man I do not expect anybody to see eye to eye with me and if not thats great and wish the best of luck to anybody.  Its all about what a man needs and wants.  I do mot consider these kindt dogs culls just maybe they are smarter than we think.  To each his on.

Lol lacy man got a ? For ya are there very few hogs where ya hunt or are they that much harder to catch as opposed to the rest of the state just wondering I don't see the big deal

We honestly don't have as many, don't get me wrong we have groups here and there but mostly you ll catch one outta that group and it ll be after a race of some sort. I mean hell you still can't even use a damn tracking dog for deer cause of the outlaws back in the day runnin deer dogs 99% of those folks hog hunted too. These areas have been hunted for a Long dang time since forsure my great grandpa in some cases of where I hunt and that's not including my grandpa and now myself. So after 100 years of running hogs one would expect them to learn to run from dogs and not baying when they re found.

X2 but I don't think others have experienced hunting behind this type of dog. Not saying people don't have good dogs but there's just some dogs that have no quit what so ever. And you're honestly just not gonna keep up on foot. I really don't care who you are. 4 legs travel faster then 2.

Per Colby and Judge's conversation, being a very non experienced hog dogger I have seen it first hand. Had a guy that contracts out to private ranches in the Anahuac area and the hogs there bay up pretty easy. He and his box full of Parker dogs along with a bulldog come to my neck of the woods (Buna area) where the hogs are dogged hard and never stopped the first hog. Does hit the ground running, hunted hard, but those hogs blew through that river bottom and never let up. We caught his dogs about 4 hrs later and he said straight up, "I am gonna have to regroup fellas, my dogs will never stop runners like this."  We had a good conversation similar to the one going in this post. Being a beginner, it was very informative and interesting, and enlightened me that hog doggin is all about adapting and diversity.

I gotcha lacy man where is your neck of the woods.    I have hunted with rangy dogs Lt I have found that most long range dogs ones that go 1000 yards or further will pass up hogs closer than that just cuz they haul but out of the gate. doesn't meen much to me now my dogs have struk a bunch of hogs out at 800 yards then go 6 miles to stop them so I don't see your point just cuz you don't go to them on foot don't meen others can't or won't. Now if I hunted a big ranch ya you would be stupid to walk if ya can hood or cast or what ever works but if ya don't walk most spots I got your dogs will be bayed up miles away if they cant stop them so really I don't get what your saying

My point is your not gonna keep up walking. Your dog chased a hog for 20 miles. Ok. I know you didn't keep up with the dog. 4 legs move faster then 2. And these type of dogs don't have to be long range. They have too have the bottom. I've hunted behind 2 of these dogs and I promise you your not gonna keep up, walkin or even drivin maybe. And wether I'll walk too my dogs or not isn't the question cuz I will if I have too. But i got a truck and ranger for a reason and even then have trouble keeping up with certain dogs.

the cream rises to the top...hogs have adapted pretty quick...they are leggy and fast...like already mentioned, if they are dogged alot they get smart and would rather run than fight...if not dogged much loose bay dogs will bay hogs...but it won't take too long and these dogs will not bay up but will run and run...they hit the thick brush and get ahead...then they take a break until the dogs get close and then they hit another thick spot...

I have had dogs that would catch plenty of hogs in the open wooods/country but came up empty handed especially in the summer when very hot and the vegitation was thick...these were good to great dogs in my opinion...loved to hunt them mostly in the late winter when most of the vegetation was down...but thick palmetto country it is bad year round...

I am working on a pack more or less of the same style except adding 1/4 or so APBT...retaining nose, the ability to find game and lots of hunt and bottom is what I want in these dogs...stopping a hog at the first oppurtunity is what I want but with the sense to not go all out catch because don't need dogs overheat and/or have a short life span without having to say why...


Range...enough to find a hog if it is within a decent range...and enough grit to shut one down at the first oppurtunity...having lots of bottom a must but not having to go too long a distance because...hopefully it is a caught hog...and some will get away and it is our job to analyze the situation and work to improve on it...

quoting BIGO...
I like long range dogs that bay the vast mojority of hogs within hearing distance.

Opinions are like hole in the butts everyone's got one But I'll tell u what mine starts to burn if our dogs go past a mile mile and a half I'm pissed I hate to wait for a dog when the next property we r hunting has 30+ hogs just sitting there waiting for us lol it all has to do with where u hunt and what it takes to get hogs there my dogs are loose when a hog will bay but When they run they will do what it takes to stop em once they stop they back on up again anything 100 lbs and smaller they catch my pot lickers are short to med range and we catch 150 + hogs every year no problem and we been running these hogs for years hear too

At the end of the day if your dogs work for you  then that's all that really matters

Lt it's simple open country heck no. But on the river and on chambers the dogs can't go as fast the hog can't ether. It will cut the speed way down bout 4 on average by time you walk a mile back to your buggy truck or what ever to could be that much closer to your dog I hunt like this 2 to 3 times a week yr around some times is 200 yards caught hog some times it's miles I have ran all kinds of dogs down in those bottoms it don't change much I have invited you many times to go but you never have you should so you can see for your self

lol that's what people say to me about my lead dog, How in the heck can you keep up with him on foot.. I say walk fast and don't stop and start jogging after a mile on the Garmin unit..lol But yes it's really hard and hunting off a 4 wheeler is like a vacation for me..  Ya i have to agree if the dog is good and has allot of good aged wood time on him There's no quit because to dog knows the hog will lay in down sooner or later.. Bottom like a hound .. 

Ok. Next time you invite me I'll show up and bring a buddies dog and well see how this works out so you can see for yourself  :o

Lol Lt it's not even your dog don't matter what dog it is. Bring him on and we will get it on just bring your own back pack with water and gear cuz I don't share lol

Heck fellas, the older I get and more experience I gain, the more I realize that I don't know squat!  :D

Ill give you a great "for example" I've got a group of dogs I like quite a bit, I focus real hard on this one property that will usually only have one boar on the whole 1500 acres, and often no sows or pigs with him. I've only been able to go after him 3 times this last few months due to work and family, but each time the dogs have been on freaking fire! Burning up a garmin!

Decided to ask a buddy around here if I could tag along with him the other night and he took me to some nice places where he and his running buddy have been cleaning up on them lately and my dogs wouldn't leave the ranger! Lol
Oh man they could not have been worse! Every dang one of them looked like pound pups I picked up off the side of the road!!!!!  >:(

But head out Saturday on horseback with some other good friends and the old dogs went right back to work like the previous night had never happened?
That's just goofy old cur dogs for you I guess.






All this to say, hunt what produces for you and try to enjoy the fact that we get to use dogs to hunt wild aminals in this country!  ;)

See if y'all ran dillo dogs like me well. Y'all wouldn't have to walk as far. Them ol dillo's go to ground and bay pretty quick.


Shotgun
Arkansas

Lol shotgun long live the dillo it happens

Naw judge I don't like too brag on my dogs cuz the minute I do they make me look like a fool so I brag on others. And naw I don't need all that. Just garmin & a cd & a telephone cuz I'm sure well be trespassing since dogs can't read when we get off the starting point. Since I'll have too make some phone calls and knock on some doors too go get the dog. Aka why I use a truck as well  :) don't worry bud, I'll show you the ways of a buggy and you'll be hooked for life.

Lol Lt this I got to see

Hey Lt who's is the owner of that real good dog your talking bout curiosity is getting me lol

It sounds like LT has seen a GOOD dog in action a few times.   Tell us some more about how this dog does it all alone and won't come back when the hogs leaves the country because some folks on here need to hear about stuff that GOOD dogs do.

Pretty sure I didn't say y'all didn't have good dogs occonee so need too be smart ass  popo  And judge just bring your good walkin shoes and you'll be good lol

The owner of that dog is me!!!! 

According to Sunday which we was on chambers right dead smack in the middle if it ginger got out to way over half a mile bayed before we could go 200 yards to a caught shoat up the river which we walked didn't take us long.. What is trying to say is no matter where you hunt this dog when a dog strikes and she is involved its going to come up bayed in the end because she will follow it from start to end not matter how long or far the race is. If that 200 yards great or 5 miles she will be there bayed at the end.

Lol Lt I wear cowboy boots.  I don't think oncee was being smart but he might now lol. Matt I never said your dog could not  find a pig or bay or go the distance I said its hard hunting out there and you can't keep up by buggy or truck less you can take it up and down 20 ft inbankments and thru thickets there is not many spots I ain't hunted from 77 on chambers  in Italy  to rankin all by foot. I have been there with bayed 3 miles away and you won't get to the other side faster by road there are only to bridges over chambers in 12 miles no matter which direction you go we will be on the way back by time you figure out how to get there by buggy or truck that's all I was saying kido

LT I am not being a smart-ass!!  I think a lot of people on these sites have not had the pleasure of watching a good dog do what he can do and think that dogs that find hogs and quit after a hour long race are good.  I have stated countless times that no matter if a quitter fits your style better or not i does NOT make him good just because you hunt small places or walk hunt!

A good bay dog shouldn't need 6 hrs or 6 miles to "stop" a hog, hound or cur ;) That goes for bear dogs as well, at least thats what these East Tennessee mountain, plott runnin boys have showed me. They call it "treed" up here, and that is not just standing at the bottom of a tree barking, but being rough enough to "make" one climb.

     The best dog is one that fits your needs and wants.

 Just like some like rough dogs and some don't. What I look for in a dog might be a cull to you.  Your best dog might be a cull to me.

I apologize then. Half the time you can't tell on here whether people are being a smart ass or not.
But it's pretty much like canyon ranch said. She has no quit too her. It doesn't matter how far. If it's close then great if it's 10 miles ok. She's gonna finish the track out until that hogs bayed or it's legs fall off. And honestly I have other people who will say the same about the dog. And I'm not saying people don't have good dogs I'm just saying I've been blessed enough too hunt behind a dog like this. I had a dog like this for about a year before he was killed and I'll tell you hunting behind these dogs spoil you. Part of me didn't even want too go Huntin anymore after he died ..  but you live & learn & move on.

Warrent423 yes sir I agree. Onocee and Lt so what you two are saying is that your dogs once they strike no matter the distance or the hog they bay up 100 % of the time ? If so I call bs there are lots of folks on here with the same caliber of dogs that you are talking about. Now I can say this most of my dogs will fall back after a mile or so and that's fine with me cuz they are super rough but my best dog will not he will rival any dog any distance not saying he is better just saying what he does time in and out. Lt if those dogs are so kick ass why you always getting pigs from me and Brandon ? And if the ranger can go to every bay you should have a pen full of hogs just saying bro

I've told you it's not my dog about 10 times now. But yeah I've never seen her quit a hog. Point  blank period. And I get shoats from you bcuz my dogs kill them and I have puppy's. And the one boar you brought over you gave it too me. Worked your dogs on it bcuz I have a pen & you don't I guess. So don't try too call me out. I haven't bragged on my dogs at all. So don't get but hurt about your "rough" dogs + flash that get out ran by those tough hogs on the chambers. It's been all fun & games but don't try too put words in my mouth. Cuz like I said people have good dogs. She's special. And if you wanna see her be my guest and you'll say the same damn thing. She's not even my dog and I talk about her like this so what's that got too say.
You're always trying too stir some number 2 up Jason and it's annoying as hell.

Lt not trying to stir up any thing you said no one has expiranced that kind of dog and we don't understand how good the dog is I get it the dog is awesome I won't disagree on that don't know the dog. But don't state stuff on here and think no one can say something back. I tell ya what have some fun we can meet up at Avalon store 3 dogs each and catch dog 6 hr hunt and see what's up you bring a guy to go with me and I will bring a guy to go with you loser buys hamburgers and we can shake hands like men

What are we 12 again and having a pissing contest dang man grow up and just enjoy the sport of hunting.... That why I never hunt with anyone besides family and Robert and justin to keep all this bs off of us so we can just hang out and enjoy catching hogs and not a pissing contest on who's dogs did better and all that junk...

Dang Matt that's what I am trying do is buy you some burgers. What about all that crying and crap talking to jimmy you did bout that dog that ran off with our collars then you called a 17 yr old kid and Cust him out was that grown up dude I understand people say and do stupid stuff but don't sit up here like your a priest what about when u tryed to get one of our land owners # to dove hunt lol ok bro I won't bother ya any more good hunting and be safe

Haha what??? First off I didn't cuss hunter one time!!!! I just told him to keep my name out of his mouth because he dragged me into a subject that I wasn't even involved in just because I was with Steve when he sold the dog to him doesn't mean I had anything to do with it and land owner??? Haha I'm not sure what you are even talking about since I got more land to dove hunt than I can hunt. So idk what you are talking about there.

And the soap opera continues...

Y'all let us know when this hunt goes down and who comes out on top  :o

 It will never happen Ben. Kind of reminds me of the ear less hog post.

Lol probly not but any one that wants to come up and hunt hard have a good time and well nots let forget bout the burgers lol

Just asking my already said,the ginger dog what breed is she?

x2...inquiring minds want to know...^^^

I have kept quiet for a while on this board for a while because every time I voice my opinion I get a bashin. But to me range doesn't matter at all as long as the dog finds hogs. Now as far as the other stuff is concerned  if you think all places are equal you are thinking wrong. Some places hogs bay some the hogs ruuuuunnnn. If anyone thinks they have the type of dog that can stop a runner I will gladly invite you to SHOW you otherwise.  There have been a ton of posts about rcd's but what is that dog gonna do when the hogs take off before it gets there?? These posts crack me up... show me please and I will buy all you have. Lmfao!!!!

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Peachcreek you are right every place hunts different hogs bay and hogs run some run far some run short. Rcd can't do much of anything if they ain't in front of the hog and no dog can do anything if they run and can't stay with em but speed and gritt can make a difference. A good dog should do fair in any condition but a little expirance and common sence will tell ya don't take a big heavy dog to wide open country or a slow dog where they run some dogs might flip the scrip but know what your dog can do and knowing your terrain sure helps. I have always wanted to hunt down that far just anit made it

Alright Peachcreek I got one too try,say when and where. Just bull number 2ting ya , I think the judge said it a few post ago His Best dog got a lil bottom too him , if you got one with bottom he should show good anywhere if they bay quick no big deal if they wanna run even better ,but I can guarantee you ain't gonna to wanna be on foot trying too stay with theses runners Peach Creek is talking about , ain't gonna happen

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This is ginger. The little red bitch! Squirrel dog always trashin on hogs haha

I think all the talk about range is something people come with after the garmin , if you gotta a good dog he is gonna range to where the game is as for as the long range dogs passing up hogs , that's a cull

Sometimes I have to laugh to keep from crying!!!   LOL   First of all Judge Pee I never said anything about MY dogs at all and I damned sure never said anything about 100%.   All I ever said was if a dog will not run a long AS LONG AS HE CAN then he cannot be considered a GOOD dog.  IMO  IMO  IMO  IMO  IMO    Am I clear now?     Anyone can hunt whatever dog they want but I will NEVER call a dog the quits after a mile or so a GOOD dog and that's all this is about.  

The truth is about 70% of hogs and bear can be treed/bayed by a pack of mediocre dogs and that's a good percentage to go home with on a daily basis in anyone's books.   Now as for the other 30%!!!  About 10% percent of them will never bay/tree which leaves 20% if my math hasn't failed me.   If you want to see that 20% it will take GOOD dogs   Now my numbers will definitely be victim to the area but the point is there is a small percent anywhere you hunt that will take another class of dog.   So Judge pee just keep tuning a truck load of alligators loose in a thicket full of hogs and bragging about your barnburners.   I could care less but I have my OPINIONS and this is a public message board so I will post them when I feel the need to.  Just don't put words in my mouth, please.

Now then, I will have to agree with Peachcreek.  If anyone thinks they have the "runner stopper" they just haven't turned him loose on the right hog.   And by the way, the "it don't take GOOD dogs 6 miles or 6 hrs to bay or tree game" is the biggest load of BS I've ever heard.   Just because you never seen the end of a 6 hr race don't knock the kind of dogs that finish them.   Oh and before anyone gets mad and calls me out, I only have two dogs, a corgi and one plott that's not much.  All I'm saying is I have seen good dogs in my life and know what they can do.    

My post was kinda messed up... what I ment to say was "show me"  sorry for the miss communication . Feb 1st I am taking resumes. Lol

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Judge turns loose eight at a time that look like the other dog.  LMAO

Ten fow....;) that knuckle head had better grab them quick or heat stroke trying to keep up with this. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/10/17/a3ydavub.jpg)

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LT...that Ginger looks like 24 carat mt cur of the modern type...some of them can sure lead a pack anywhere...the first to strike and the last to come in...

Circle t I said few post back that you would be stupid to try in open or big country to keep up with a runner on foot there few guys on here that hunt where I do and they run cross the river and creek back and fourth and it is super thick in most areas. That is the main reason for being on foot. Far as bottom I wouldn't say my dog is big bottom but he will go the distance most of the time but he is pretty gritty and fast he has bayed a sounder of 30 plus hogs on several times he can be a knuckle head some times but he pretty solid

Oc knee it's ok to cry bubba now don't get mad and call me on the phone acting like you want a dog box and then saying that your the badest boy in Oklahoma. I was asking a ? Bout your dogs I put nothing in your mouth!! I don't run 8 dogs at a time and if did why would it bother you if your the best ? And why does it take a real dog to run a hog 6 or 10 miles this I don't get. Your plots are probly better at running hogs no biggie. That's why we are all different brother I don't give a rats piss bout what you think or what you think a dog should be period !!!

So does gritty and fast bay a sounder of thirty? I have never seen a sounder of thirty hogs that were runnin and bayed together. This whole post is retarded..lol so what if a dog bays a group? :)

Range is over rated to answer the original post.

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Yes peachcreek he has done it there are people on here that have seen it. Nice leggy dog in that pic yes I said the same thing at the very first of this thing

She is rueben! My uncles been lookin for a good stud for a good while wants too keep pure mt curr, just haven't found one yet.


Peach nice lookin dog. I'd say he could keep up pretty well by the pic

It'll happen I like free food  rolleyes

Lets get it on bro free food is the best kind lol

Once again I never said anything about my "plotts" being better at anything and I damned sure said nothing about me being the best at anything!!!!   Your all tore up because my opinion and the only way you know to combat it is to constantly make me out to be some kind of arrogant know-it-all!!!  Anyone that knows me knows that I am not that way and the fact that you just keep on is really pissing me off.    The fact is, there are usually several dogs in the dog box that have fell out and quit before you get to see a good dog do his thing and separate himself and the owners of them dogs in the dog box may be cool about it but deep down they wish there dog was there at the end too!!!   Now if you don't want to be cool about it then you just ACT like you don't like dogs that have bottom.   Deep down we know what we want and if I don't have it at the time I'm not gonna act like what I have is the way to go.  I've been guilty of feeding junk several times but I knew what I was feeding and didn't try to lie to myself about it.  So run you head all you want but if you had a yard full of dogs that would stay all day and bay hogs that most dogs couldn't I bet you wouldn't use any 22 bullets on them.   Go ahead with your "I like my dogs and they work for me"  BS!!!!    More like "all I have, so I'll make do."    There are people that hunt real fast gritty packs for terrain and limited area reasons but the last few post you made weren't about the quitters you have but about the only dog you have that will stay hooked so I ain't buying your BS!!!   I bet you would feed dogs like I have been describing.    This all got stirred up when LT told about a good dog that a buddy of his owned and you got all butt hurt about a dog that could do great things and started mocking and attacking him for bragging on his friends dog.  Well this is as good a place as any to brag on good dogs as I can think of but it is folks like you that get jealous and start crap.

That ain't what you said on the phone when you said come show me how to run a hog bubba. I was never or never will be jealous of some one with a good dog good for them. And combat what your opinion that's all it is and I can post on here what I think just like you till  they tell me to stop.

I feel outta place here and I wouldn't read this post so much if I was out of town away from family and my pot lickers  but I can bet my check against anyone's that ur long range sure enough dogs  won't catch nearly as many hogs in one night compared to my short range mutts in one night in the areas we hunt doesn't matter where we hunt just know that what works great for one isn't worth a 22 bullet for another some of y'all are pissin in the wind with sandals on lmao pm me if anyone wants to try no one needs to know what happens it'll be a small lesson learned not Everyone has the same kinda hogs or places to hunt so what's a good dog soposed to do again ??? Find hogs and stop them I think right I could be wrong tho

Why case one 199 miles on foot or truck or wheeler when the next spot looks like this (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/16/67c4bced3ff12c18def896e7cb6e9bdd.jpg)or like this (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/16/3cd4f39d47d0e1f295cffff7d83e4117.jpg)i could post pics for days but you see what I'm sayin

Why chase one when there's 100 down the road

Right on alapaha

Like I did bro to each there own hell I think my wife's hot but most y'all prolly wouldn't like her

Alapaha... a good dog will shine like a diamond on a hog farm like that.

What will your dogs do on 8,000 acres of pine plantation that may or may not even have a hog on it? A place where you spend half the day trying to get one started and when you do get ready for a long race. Takes a good dog to bay a hog there... doesn't take a real good dog to bay one when you turn out on a whole herd.

But she'd  prolly wipp most of y'all's asses lmao she's a mean one lmao

Ok mike but while ur dog is chasing one of them outta my hog farm like u say mine will stop one prolly roll out and stop another while  I'm risin hell for them to get back so I can load up and go to  hog farm to turn loose on another herd read my post what works for u  I would probably sell to u and call it a Parker lol

Not every one had the same hogs or dogs again so what's the big deal bring ur long range dogs you'll see

We run 30,000 acres of herded hogs tied to post so poodles work here huu

Well, well, well, that might be a different story there Mike!!!    

Not sure who u  replied to cause my names mike to but everyone has a different story or situation so what's the big deal if it makes u happy so be it if it took a long range dog to catch hogs I'd have them it it was one out dogs Id have them if it took pink poodles bet ur ass i would have them

Lol alapaha flip the script

Judge I don't know u or anyone else on here so I'm not takin sides but I'm glad someone feels me lol

I'm sure my dogs suck for y'all that need rangey dogs and y'all's suck for me if u had hogs like us I can bet u wouldn't be walkin to butt fu__ Egypt and back for one damn hog u hear me and if I didn't have a bunch of hogs I wouldn't have these damn pink labadoodles cause I get embarrassed at the gas station when I go fill up

Oh bubba I don't care bout sides just glad to see some one not be with the in crowed on long range run a hog to the ends of the earth to be a good dog just like if some one said to be a real man you be 6 foot 5 lol

number 2 judge I'm 5' 6" but with good boots I'm 5'7 and a half

Gee gonna have to start a new thread....

If I had hogs like u guys are the  I wouldn't be on the cumputer talkin. I would be catchin hawgs. Deer season is upon us and here we go internet hunting for another few months

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Even my dillo dogs could trip a hog in a place like that.


Shotgun
Arkansas

Oh believe me peach we hunt don't u worry about that lol it gets slow for us hear to not terrible but more then what we r used to it'll start up hear soon enough

Lol ain't this the truth

Damn so a lot of guys must not hunt much cause most post way more then me huu Dillo

Dillo dogs what's that hahaha my gramps had Dillo dogs and javelina dogs he was a Dillo eating fool along with the rest of us haha desperate time call for desperate measures but hogs taste better

But only when they r close to the truck

Few yrs back where I hunt you could catch hogs every where but after the helli guy shoots 2000 plus in a season in one area made it harder but we still do ok. Start a new thread called the catch and catch not lol just clownin

I just had to throw this out there but some years back I hunted with some folks that didn't understand the game but had sure enough spots and my dogs would strike 95% of the time no joke I thought my dogs were the number 2s nobody had better but when I got tired and went and found my own spots i realized my 24 karat gold dogs were a piece cause it took us. At least a month to catch anything bigger then a toilet paper roll sized hog but after a month or a lil more of Russian rulet with my mutts wouldn't u know they figured it out none were bred right just strays or dogs from ur typical guys that bred for looks and color u know how it is but the hogs were different if the dogs bred right they learn fast if they're not and u hunt them 3-5 days a week I think most will figure it out if you and ur dogs  adapt to the situation then ur doing ok whether it takes a week or a month the hogs we had 2 years ago were not the hogs we had this year but the poodles adapted

   ;D lol Yep consistency is a better way to go no matter the range!

Well judge and cool blue it sounds like you guys have adapted well to your enviroment and I can appreciate your efforts but I fear if there ever came a time you were to move and begin hunting other areas you would have to re-adapt your style again whereas the type of dogs I prefer travel well! 

I'm done debating  but thanks for the entertainment the last couple days.  Lol

Onocee your right if I took my dogs to wide  open country they would not fare as well and I would have to adapt to it. That why I have always said a good hound is worth his weight in gold on his game of choice. Don't mean I wouldn't like to give it a shot. Glad to see I could fill your void of entertainment we might could be friends one day with all this arguing lol see ya down the road buddy

Chit got deep quick.  I'm glad I don't post as many times I have missed
hogs everybody would tear my as$ up about me and my couch dogs.

I am looking to go hunt  with any one that has hogs, don't care about long range
Or short range or they have what I am looking for in a dog. I just want to
catch a hog!  I got hogs but can't catch one to feed my family.. So I go
Buy it at the grocery store.

The weekend is here let's get off the internet and hunt some game
Spend time with family and friends YOU ONLY LIVE ONCE!!!

Thanks for the entertainment..

Heck bubba I would never laugh at you I seen first hand what you and your dogs can do. And your one of the best dudes I know that get on this site.  I am going all week end bubba holler if you want to go my dogs ain't no count but they do get lucky for time to time