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Im looking into getting a catch dog an i wanna get yalls opinon on american bulldogs and pits the good and the bad ?

I have the same question as well... probably need a new thread with a different title...

We have had really good pitbulls and some bad ones. The good ones we've had, we wouldn't replace for anything. You just gotta keep an eye on them until you really get to know them. Usually fantastic with people. But most I still wouldn't pen up with other dogs.

I choose pits they have the biggest heart and a good one will not let go till death

I know about the apbts...but am wondering about the american bulldog...can they be kennels with another dog?

What kind of wind do they have?

It is probably going to come down to the individual dog.  APBT or ABD- good ones and bad ones in both breeds. 

I personally would never keep any of the bull dog breeds kenneled with another dog, even if I was trying to breed them.  Everyone swears that they know their dog and for the most part I believe they do.  But nobody can predict what a dog will do in every situation.  Sometimes it just takes the smallest thing to aggravate a dog and next thing you know the gentle giant has turned into an mad beast.

I have kept several pits kenneled together with another dog and never a problem but also screen the dog very well before ever letting it get by another dog I let them run in yard together for excercise after they make the cut and have also fed several at same time after cleaning an animal with no problems but have had a few growl at each other that are no longer around once any dog growls at another it is removed for safety of my kids

I have had bulldogs off and on for many yrs I don't care how easy going the dog is I would not ever kennel them together but to each there own. A cd story friend of mine got a pit let him run loose with the bay dogs they bumped a cow not a bay but just enough barks to set this pit into catch mode. He catches the cow in perfect form hanging off a ear get the dog off stop the hunt get back to the truck and pow he shot the dog I said why you do that he said I can't have a dog catching cows I told him that was your fault not the dogs. Just be carefull bulldogs are powerfull dogs with hearts of a lion. I think a ab can be just as good from what I have heard there just no as gung-ho

I use a pit cat cross they have good manners and hearts as big as texas
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I know guys that run AB and bully. I have seen good and bad. It's a crap shoot for the most part. Make sure the dog catches or it's parents are proven catch dogs and try em. The only gaurantee on any dog is it is a dog.


Shotgun
Arkansas

Over here in oz we have plenty of fully hard catch dogs that will never let go which also have zero dog aggression, in fact no one here tolerates either dog aggression or letting go of a pig under any circumstances. Pretty much every dog we have at least fits that criteria, ideally they could find as well and be super fast, but they at least will be hard holders with no dog agression.

Plenty of apbts and ambulls get runs here but they're no revelation in any department. Any mutt that has a significant amount of bull and/or mastiff in it should be a solid holder, and then all the better if the cross is tidied up with something a bit fitter and faster. Pointer and/or sighthound or whatever. JMO but don't know why you'd limit yourself to just apbts or ambulls. Either one crossed with a dane, pointer, foxhound, greyhound, staghound, wolfhound, or etc, is IMO gonna be a better boar dog in every way.

Gun what you are talking bout to us is a running catch dog a lot of folks don't hunt that way so they would like to have a true heavy jaw dog that once turned loose game over. The abilities you are stating I have seen in a lot of curs. I haven't seen a stag hound in action I would think they could be very good in open country. In thick country I like a medium sizes dogs that can move around in all areas

  I've used both, if it weren't for the availablity and price I would use all American Bulldogs. I have found them to be more acceptable to a good handle (commands). But I have had alot of good pits, only a few that have been aggressive to other dogs. I won't raise pits anymore since its not hard in my area to find them for free.

I get what you're saying but I'm saying plenty of "running catch dogs" have true "heavy jaw" holding ability.

I have seen ambulls and apbts work and they are no different at catching to the hard mongrel pig dogs I've seen work. The latter will just have more weight than the apbt, anchoring big boars more effectively and reducing the potential to get thrashed around (it's actually especially useful in thicker country to stop your dog getting bashed into trees), and be fitter and more agile than the ambull, with better heat tolerance. The inclination to hold stead fast no matter what is no different. Unless you cross in something that actively diminishes that quality.

It seems common in the states to cross in scenthounds (in a lot of your curs for example) and the problem with that is scenthound infusion works against holding ability because scenthounds naturally have strong self preservation instincts and are quite wary and wishy washy, it's what they're supposed to be to "bay" rather than launch in. Kind of the opposite of catch dogs. But cross a bull (apbt, ambull, ebt or whatever) with another catch inclined dog like a sighthound and/or mastiff, or even other dogs that aren't "anti-hold", and you still have an all out balls to the wall hard holder that will hold to the death.

I don't know too many guys that will tolerate anything less than that, all of them have 100% hard catch dogs, but they're mutts.

Gun ya I don't see a need to mix up all those dogs together to do what a cur dog will do. I know that those big tall sight hounds are very fast and with 3 or 4 dogs added in could be a deadly combo but I will just stick to what works for me lol

Well not trying to be a jerk but from what I've seen of the cur dogs in america from tv shows and clips online they don't do what the mongrels I'm talking about can do. No where near as strong or fast or good at holding. Maybe they're better finders? must be, but yeah they aren't the same IMHO. Our mongrels are a lot closer to your catch dogs than they are to your curs and bay dogs. They just can also run, are often big and sometimes can find.

I never understood as well how it's a "hassle" to cross dogs together, isn't it just as much of a hassle to breed two dogs of the same breed together? Or like more of a hassle because you have to go out of your way to find a dog that's the same breed, and dare I say possibly sacrifice quality in order to try and breed pure? Rather than just breeding the two best dogs together? Just don't get the logic.

Saying what you think is not being a jerk. most of my dogs will catch soon as they put eyes on the pig. And I like pits over crosses to be a catch but most hogs I catch are caught where there found. A big leggy rcd will be way behind the smaller type super rough curs I have due to the thick terrain but as far as catch dog I like straight pits

I think the 'best dog' ....... is the dog that works best for 'you.'
I run crosses as well as pure.......but as far as catching/holding/not willing to let go until theyre broke off or see the light at the end of the tunnel......its the APBT for me. Just my own opinion.

This has been an argument around our parts for a long time .
However like mentioned already it's personal preference. 
I have owned APBT that were the real deal. I have never owned an ambull but have legged a bit of hogs using one. I believe there are pros and cons to both breeds of course like any anything.
But what I have found to be the best catch dog for our situation is American bulldog X APBT.

We are covered with palmettos and thick briar patches . Not only does a full blood  American sound like a freight train going to the bay but it takes him a little longer to get there cause of his size . But if the hog does break the Americans have more stamina to run than the APBT.

APBTs are more light on their feet get through the thick stuff well and do better in the tight quarters . They aren't quite as loud running in and  when they get there and the hog wants to fight, well bring it on because APBT is a hogs worst nitemare.

So what we have started trying out (along with multiple other hog doggers) is the ambull/ Apbt cross. Perfect scenario is 3/4 Apbt 1/4 ambull. This gives you a mid size hell on paws that will run and fight till he dies . With jaw power to hold any hog .

Hope this adds value to this thread . Thanks for reading .

most people have been leaning more towards apbt. so do yall like he huge ones that are now breed are the old school small pits?

Best dog I ever had was my first hog dog I ever got was AB but had the typical bulldog breathing stuff so couldn't perform w age gettin on. But she was a cracker jack. Now run pits just bc I had that problem . (Or maybe I don't want to try to replace her bc to me u can't)!! Pits are great to tho. I think it's all bout the heart in the dog and how bad he wants it not breed

I've got two AB/Stag bitches and two pups out of them that are 3/4 bulldog 1/4 stag.

I really like the cross. Hard, smart and fast.

I'm with judge though, I still keep a pure pit on the rig.

I have heard that straight American bulldogs can be very good but I have never owned one

I've owned two American bulldogs (one male one female) both were really good catch dogs but I couldn't kennal them with anything but each other

I've owned a lot of pits tho And I like them more my brother has a pit gyp that has caught teo hogs solo that were 350 pounds and shes only 25 pounds but it goes back to personal preference and depends on the dog its self not the breed in general!

I prefer em 60-70#'s tops........well built, decent leg, solid frame and strong jaws personally.

I have seen with my own eyes multiple times ab's doing a mighty fine job catchin/holdin a hog, a good ab is a bad dude and a sonofabitch for a hog lol. The only deal breaker for me is the size, i just dont care for ownin a dog that size but they dang sure can get it done.

i guess my comments on this can be found in the story i posted here recently,lol. i have hunted with good catch dogs of varying breeds including a decent number american bulldogs and my own personal preferance is a good ab from 70 to 90 lbs. but i think alot of folks forget to consider the pack of hogs dogs being used before they say what catchdog makes the best one. for many years my partners dogs were of the style that if it was a good hog being bayed that it was still being bayed once a bulldog or bulldogs caught. so we wanted more weight and power as basically the bulldogs were on their own on bad hogs.