EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

With all of these super hogs in the woods, I figure it's about time to come up with a super dog. I just need one good gyp, plenty of studs, and a blender :P  Based on my extensive internet research, this is what I think it will take to make superdogs. Y'all see if you can find any holes in my program.

The foundation gyp is going to be a Bluetick, I expect with her bottom, and nose I will be starting on the right track.

The daddy's will be

YBMC - cuz everyone knows a yella dog finds more hogs.
Plott - might need some extra nose at some point
Double Glass eyed Cat - Don't those eyes help them see better at night ;)
BLUE Lacey - cuz everyone has to have a little bit of psycho in them, and if they come out blue they are worth more. :o
Pit - You know, to add a little grit to the program
Mountain cur - in hopes that it will throw a bob tail super dog
broken coat jagd - because the little nazi's are just cool

Here is the kicker though.  The gyp needs to have 20 years line breeding behind her, and the studs need at least 10 years behind each. I figure with 20 years from the dam, and 80 years (we are adding them all together) the super dog pups will have 100 years of line breeding behind them.

I don't know about y'all, but I think this is a guarantee for success. ;D

there u go!!  ;D

Throw in just a tad bit of Beagle or Walker and I'd say that pretty well covers all possible aspects. ;D

 Chris,
   Dont go off and find the perfect dog........Then what would everyone get to talk about on the www.  

You still need an airdale and some bird dog... :o

It looks like I missed some...

Birddog - I assume this means the pups will be forever busy, and will not overheat.

Airdale - ????   Maybe some more grit to go along with the pit, or am I missing something here.


Beagle - ???

Walker  -????

Y'all help me out here, I don't know why we need these breeds, but I am sure there is a good reason. Not to mention, it adds another 40 years to the programs history :o

Chris you had my respect as a dog man until I saw that you didn't even consider brains in your recipe. Add a touch of German Sheppard before you put me on the puppy list please.lol  :D

Don't forget the greyhound... you can't hogs in this thick stuff without speed!

Chris, If its going to be a Super dog, add a touch of retriever. Its a pain in the a$$ draging pigs out the woods. You may also want to add a bit of boxer because after all they were originally intended to hunt wild boar and a touch of dogo, so that they can run over 30mph and hold for extended periods of time, up to an hour or more. ;D

Yep what they said and great dane as they were the original boarhound... ;D

Sounds like a  good dog

bohemian cur you know one that was raised on kolachies  (pig in the blanket) and good beer

Buddy,

    I thought that's what y'all called the girls over that away.... :o  I had no idea you were talking about four legged dogs.  haha... Tell ol Scooter hi for me ;)

Dammit Buddy, reading a dog thread and you went and made me hungry!!!!

Add in some English Pointer to the above mix.

I tell ya what, I've got a gyp on my yard right now that is 1/4 bluetick, 1/4 heeler,1/4 catahoula 1/4 dogo and a male that is 1/4 catahoula, 1/4 BMC and 1/2 uglydog.  I'll sell them both to ya for an arm and a leg and you'll be halfway there.

Nice digs.  Even I can respect that.  I'm glad I left some form of an impression on you.  Even if it was negative.  In time, you'll get the chance to prove me wrong in person.

CBK,
  Don't flatter yourself...you have left no negative impression ;)    And there were certainly no digs directed at anyone in this thread...Just some light hearted humor based on things I have read and heard over the years.  :)


Raider,
   With regards to the super dogs, I am just messing around obviously.  But I do have a serious question for you about a dog.  The Clay dog that you mention. Is he a cur, or is he a cur hound cross? Did you raise him, or buy him already going. and do you know if any of his siblings hunt the way he hunts?   One last question,  You have experience with the Blueticks from the coon dog world.  Do you run any on hogs, or are you running curs or cur crosses on hogs? 

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 This is what I will use to catch all the big hogs.

He is have 1/4 cur 1/4 pit and half lion lol. ;D.

Clay is 7/8 cur 1/8 Walker, if I would have known he had Walker in him I probably wouldnt have bought him....lol   I bought him as a 4 Y/O. We mainly have Cur/Hound crosses. We have a nice pack of dogs under two years old. The only sibling of Clay's still alive is a year younger and the guy that has him says he was doing very well but he was having a deer problem with him so he got VERY rough on the dog to break him off the deer  and told me he ruined him and he is now a family pet. but I just had a guy contact me with a aunt to clay on his mommas side that he wants to breed back to Clay. He also has a litter of puppies that are inbread (all Clay blood) he wants to give me a pair of females when they are weined to raise and breed back to Clay if they turn out. I dont hunt Open dogs so I havent personaly hunted with blueticks for hogs because you almost never find one that is silent, but Glen Hesseltine down in Sinton, TX has a Dang good one full Bluetick. Oh yea it is Open

I think you misunderstood me, Ive never seen a Arkie dog on a hog! I was refering to tree power. and I wasnt pulling you leg I won the World all Around in Brazil, In and National Redbone Days in 2004 or 2005 I would have to check..

Does Clay ever open up? Also, how do you hunt him? Do you drop him on sign, rig him, or just put him on the ground and let him hunt out on his own?

We only have one finished dog and that is Skitzer but you dont want to see him right now, he looks like Frankstine with all the staples he has after this weekend, but we have some sure enough nice 1/2 AB 1/2 Dogo pups that are 7 months old that are catching good. As a matter of fact the pup in this thread went on his first hunt the night Skitzer got cut up so bad and caught on that 300 pounder with him didnt back up a bit!

Clay is totaly silent as a matter of fact after watching him several times in the open I have found he wont even bark at a hog unless he is face to face with it, if it turns away from him he will stop barking until he moves back around in front of it. We have been hunting alot on 4 wheelers lately and clay will run out in front of the 4 wheeler about 150 to 200 yds with the other dogs, when we are hunting like that but if it is a place where we are walking I just cast him from the truck and usualy dont see him anymore till we take the catch dog to him. He will stay bayed till I get there to, 4 or 5 hrs it dont matter. I have never rode him on a wheeler or in a truck so I dont know what he would do. we dont hunt like that. He is a dog you dont have to put in sign just be sure you have a full tank of gas cause he is gonna go find one.

Clay sounds like a good one.

Don't leave out the redneck cur 1/4 bulldog 1/4 lab 1/4 bmc 1/4 blue heeler!  ;D :D

He really is a good dog, we dont hunt him nearly as much anymore because we have an entire pack of young dogs that hunt so much alike, but when the going gets tough we bring him in as a pinch hitter.

The stud dogs that you descibed sounds like the dog that showed up at the ranch. The pissy little yellow dog may have all the breeding required, or he could be a mutt who knows????? I could donate him to your breeding program, let me know if you need him. Later....

I suggested the beagle and walker in there so when they trash on a rabbit, skunk, dillo, racoon, deer, cow, javelina, truck tire or small child you would have the excuse of "well there's that beagle (or walker) coming out"....... That's what I use even though there ain't none of that blood in my potlickers. Hee hee.... no offense to anyone meant. This is all a fun poke at one another and our own trashy potlickers, so don't no one get in a tizzy.

Chris

  you have officially earned your title "Internet Hog Hunting Specialist!"

all those years of studying finally paid off..

put me down for one of your pups .. ;D

Chris I hate to be rude but I am going to bust your bubble!!!! I am starting to breed the super hog just so your super dog  will still have to compete with the best... I AM NOT GOING TO BREED ANY SKUNK IN THESE HOGS SO YOUR SUPER DOG MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO FIND THEM!!!!!! 
Hogzilla gentics some of these we are going to get DNA off his bones
Hog bomb hogs
Russian
Europeian
Duroc oh never mind thats what hogzilla was   :o
pot belly
wart hog
bush pig
javalina
And the three little pigs cause they took a big bad wolf out

So your super dog better be on his toes!!!

Raider54,

As you can imagine, making statements like winning the world, is going to draw skeptics.  I think you have used a slight play on words.  No bluetick has won the UKC World hunt since they converted to the new format, much less since 2003.  As far as Redbone days, anyone can show up, and there most likely was fewer than 110 dogs entered.  It is not the same as winning the Winter Classic, Autumn Oaks, Grand American, or the world.  It is mostly redbone folks just gathering to have good fellowship (nothing wrong with that).  If you truely did win the two events mentioned above, congratulations.  That is a good accomplishment.   
[/quote]I am not sure if you are questioning my integrity here but I will post you a pic of my trophies so you can read them but I guess the next comment would be "Well anybody can buy a trophy" but at Redbone days there were 261 dogs and only the first night is breed specific but of course you would already know that! and over 300 dogs at the World All Around

I have only gotten on here and taken a shot at someone one time and I realized the guy I insulted was a 15 year old boy at which time I made a public apology. I was merely making a comment on Circle C's thread and this has turned into me having to justify and defend myself so for the sake of the arguement lets agree that you are or were a more accomplished coon hunter than I ever was and I will remove my post.

Raider,

     Don't let him get to you...I think maybe a Florida pine goblin pissed in his Wheaties and he was feeling frisky or something. ;)   

 You have every right to be proud of your accomplishment in regards to your coon dogs.  Heck, a while back he questioned me when I said my cur dogs cover ~25 miles on the ground during a hunt. rolleyes as if that was something special ;D

Well for obvious reasons I am finished with the coon dog thing but if my garmin showed less than 25 miles on most of our dogs I would think they must be sick :o

What's an Arkie dog??

They are Blueticks that have a History of being great COON not hog dogs! they are primarily out of Texarkana and western Tennessee. There will probably be someone correct me here shortly on that but at least that is what I thought I knew about them ???

just breed all the daddys to her at once. all them combined will make a sure enough litter of super dogs!

I did a quick search of them on Wikipedia and gotta say nice dogs! I see where they could probably be good at putting you on a hog but as far as shutting one down I would say they might be a little to cumbersome (sp?) to move the way  I would expect a hog dog to. I maybe wrong but that is my judgement of the cover as I see it. Coon hunting sounds like fun though!

Circle C created a hypotherical scanario all for fun , he mentioned the Bluetick being the base of his Super Dog, I recomended the Arkie line. because if I remember correctly he wanted her to be the nose and drive of this new dog breed the other half of the dog was to add all the things that typicaly you would find in the curs. After hunting hounds for over 30 years I found the Arkie line to be the over all best I ever saw to include all breeds, they were the grittiest, thoughest, hardest driving, consistant coon dogs I notice I ever saw. I know this is where the Walker dog guys come out of the wood work to attack what I have said. I stated earlier I never saw one of them on a hog but I would bet the farm that the pack I had would have eaten a hog up! the truth is I will never know and even more shocking is, I dont care! I hunt Cur/Plott crosses. Its getting to be that you cant just speak freely on here without the concern that someone on here will disagree with you to the point that they take it personal. truth is the Super dog is the one that suits the guy who feeds him

It really boils down to feed what you like and enjoy and let the next guy do the same...I like what I have and like some of the others dogs I hunt with,some I like less than others but the folks who owns them likes them so it is none of my concern as long as if I hunt w/ some one and our dogs can hunt good enough together then no big deal.Some people worry too much about other folks stuff.

This super dog is missing the ability to clean and pack the prey out to us!  ;D Maybe some mule in the mix might work!!

If anybody has a bluetick stud, PM me...I want to work something out.

Chris when you want a super dog just ask! I will send you one down i have them lined up :P

Good deal, I might just do that.   BTW, We are about to get to hunt Buck again....Dang dog has been laid up for better than 3 months. I hope he remembers what a pig smells like ;D

Good, i sure would like to watch ol buck hunt sometime. Heck those breaks like that them dogs come out and are better than ever.  O0

when the litter drops, i would like one of the red-nosed-blue-a$$ed ones if there are any available.  I'll call him Pitty