EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

My friend and hunting buddy called me yesterday day to let me know that a dog showed up at his house where we keep our dogs.  About every six months a dog will show up at the kennels I guess they can smell the other dogs from miles away.  This one was a little different I have never seen a dog this skinny and emaciated.  I have owned dogs my hole life and like everyone who owns dogs and takes care of them properly knows how exspensive it is.  Well I show up this morning to feed dogs and the dog comes up to me looking for food and I get a good look at her and realize that shes pit bull and also a fight dog.  This dog dont have a spot on her head without a scar, her teeth are broke and she only has one eye.  Dog food is exspensive I know because i go through alot of it but I have big heart and cant stand to see animals starving so I gave her some food.  I just thought i would share my little story with yall and say Dog fighting makes me sick and people who dont take care for there animals makes me sick.  Dog hunters get a bad rep for the use of dogs to hunt but most hunters take really good care of ther animals because they are compassionate for hunting and the dogs they use to hunt with. Thanks for reading

couldnt agree more.

i got alot of dog fighters that live around me and it makes me sick to the way that they take care of there dogs.

X2 Josh

Jag, your story breaks my heart. I can't stand to hear of anyone starving their dogs or any animal for that matter. I hope you can find someone who will take care of the dog.

I agree, not to change the subject but saw a horse today that looked terrible and less than a year ago it was a fine looking horse. It just makes me sick when I see a horse standing in a little fenced in area probably less than a acre with nothing but dirt to eat and a few pine trees.

 I dont do dog fighters. Hate to be the one to piss in the pool. But if you know a fighting ring, only one way to handle it. popo

JAG,

I don't know you, but you are a good man.  Too often our four legged companions fall victim to worthless people who care about nothing but themselves.  Let me know if you need help finding her a GOOD home where she can live out her days in peace.

Jag

 I totally agree!! I have simular problems here with town people they get a puppy and it grows up then they don't won't it so they hall them to the country to dump them out to starve. I probaly get atleast ten + a year. So far I've been able to rehome them to good families.

most the time around here if the dog wont do what they want you will c it laying dead in the ditch. and the police wont do anything about it.

Jag- you are a saint, I'm the same way gotta big heart, the ladies say otherwise ;D, I totally agree, that stuff and those people tick me off, we outta ban together a doggers and dog lovers, built a big UFC type ring, gather all the dogfighters we can find, put them in the ring tell them fight or starve!!!!
 I found a dog about a year ago, beaten up pretty bad at my work in houston, a cop buddy told me she was a meat dog(what dogfighters use to train their pits then discarded like trash) now she's my mom and dads yard dog and the mom of my lacy/cat pups, great dog with kids and good guard dog, all bark no bite.

i say take whoever did that to a dog stick them on a chain and forget about them. let them have some of there own medicine

What you all said x10!

While I commend ya'll for your empathy in this situation...I would venture to say that unless you were there to see how a particular dog has obtained their scars, it is nothing but speculation at best as to what actually happened. Many empathetic folks would look at some of the scars on our dogs and mistakenly speculate that they were fighting dogs as well.

Kind of what I was thinking Scott.  I know you guys mean well, but what your doing doesn't seem much different than what the anti type folks do to us.

  Good hunting..

Good point! On that note, If you plan to keep that dog, rehabilitate it, nurse it, what ever; you may want to report it for a little CYA.

Obviously, if you live in the boonies and there is NO chance of anyone ever seeing the dog, there is no real concern.

If you live in a sub-urban area and there is a chance that someone seeing the dog will assume that its YOUR DOG, and that YOU are a dog fighter, its a short leap to being reported.

All that it takes to make sure you are covered is a report of suspected animal abuse with the Sheriffs department...

Steve

I KNOW A GUY THAT WOULD RIDE THROUGH TOWN WITH A NICE PIT IN THE BACK OF HIS TRUCK, AND EACH DOG FIGHTER THAT WOULD ASK TO BUMP DOGS HE WOULD GET OUT OF THE TRUCK BEAT THIER AS* AND SAY BUMP THIS!!! LOL HE JUST TOLD ME THAT THE OTHER DAY, THATS WHAT THEY DESERVE, NO DOUBT, I HAVE TOO MANY BAD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT DOG FIGHTERS SO IMMA LEAVE IT AT THAT... GLAD U FED THE POOR DOG, IDA DONE THE SAME THING, U JUST CANT RESIST, WELL NOT ANYONE WITH A HEART CAN ANYWAY, CNT STAND TO SEE THAT SORTA THING

Let me back up a little and just say that I did not post this story for people to say oh  JAG you have a big heart your a good guy or to have sympathy for me I know I have a big heart.  If you read the whole story at the end it talks about being COMPASSIONATE about hunting and compassionate about the dogs we hunt with.  The point of my story had little to do with the abused dog even though it makes me SICK that people abuse there dogs.  The point I was trying to get across is that all the dog hunters I no take good care of there animals and yes somtimes dogs get hurt somtimes they die but its not intentional.  Putting two agressive males or female dogs together to go at it is inentionaly hurting dogs plus its against the to fight dogs.  I was not there when this dog got the scars but I have owned and hunted dogs for along time and unless this dog got mauled by a bear or got its head stuck in a combine it was used as a game dog.  I hope whoever reads this now will get the point I was trying to make.  Thanks for those of you who posted positive to my thread.

Kevin,
  I see your point but the ONE big differance is- What we do is legal. I would have no problem rolling on a dog fighter.


I am pretty sure a bait dog's scars are going to be a litle differant then the scares from a hog.

Historically speaking...there never was a such thing as "bait" dogs. That term was contrived by the AR...kind of a viscious cycle.

Ultimately, as a stated before, unless you were there to see how the scars were obtained...it's nothing but speculation at best. There's absolutely no way that you can say that dog was intentionally matched against another dog, unless you were there. It's called jumping to a conclusion without all, or in this case, very little facts. Kevin is exactly right....that is exactly what the AR does, and would do.

My post wasn't meant to be negative.   I guess I'm just more open minded about things.  I don't like to jump to conclusions.  

  I consider myself pretty kind hearted, but you are better than me.


  Savoy, I know what your saying.  If you think about it though, hog dogs scarred up probably doesn't look any better to the other kind of people   than dog fighting scars.  

   Anyways, I wasn't trying to be negative.

Im not an AR by defination, but I do think anyone who would fight a dog is a POS. I am a hog hunter and knowing Josh I would say if he says someone used the dog for fighting that is what happened, it almost sounds as if you are defending dog fighters I also believe if its his thread he can jump to conclusions or speculate all he wants to. He gave the facts (as HE saw them) who can question that? and why would anyone question it except to stir the pot!

Well Put Raider54.  IT WAS HIS POST.

Kevin,
  I agree with you.

 Scott,
  Maybe bait wasnt the term to use. Not being in the "know" I figured bait was the word used for dogs that they used to test or practice with.

IM NO PRO EITHER BUT HOG SCARS ARE NOT AS PLENTYFULL AS FIGHTING ONES ARE AND IM SURE ITS EASY TO TELL, THEIR ARE BAIT DOGS THAT DOG FIGHTERS USE I DO KNO THAT AND ITS SICK, BUT IM SURE THE MAN KNOWES WHAT HE IS TALKIN ABOUT, NO NEED TO START A DEBATE OVER IT ITS JUST THE FACTS! AND UR RIGHT JAG US HOG HUNTERS ARE COMPASSIONATE ABOUT ARE DOGS AFTER ALL THEY ARE THE ONES THAT WORK THEIR AS*ES OF FOR US AND FIND THE PORK, ANY REAL HOG HUNTER KNOWES THAT, THATS Y SO MANY TAKE PRIDE IN THEIR DOGS!

Because I'm educated to the history of that particular breed of dog and I give my opinion regarding the speculation of others I'm defending dog fighters? I think all I've done is state a reasonable opinion (or argument, if you wish to call it that) regarding the speculation of another individual. I don't know Josh, but, I'm quite sure that unless an individual was in a position to witness how animals (or other people for that matter) obtained their scars...it is nothing more than speculation. The facts are that he found a dog with scars on it's head and blind in one eye that has been severely neglected. Everything else is conjecture.

Why would I question it? Because I wouldn't want anyone who saw the scars on my dogs from hunting to speculate in the same fashion and assume that I fight dogs. It seems that we have a difference of opinion...that is the extent of it.

I dont condone dog fighting. But dogs can fight just the same on the street as they can if someone is pitting them together. I think the guys are just saying dont blame it on someone without knowing the truth. He is not siding with dog fighters.

Ditto

Scott I understand what you are saying. Many times people have asked us if our dogs are fighting dogs. They see our bulldogs and dogos wearing vests and cut collars and "assume" they are fighting dogs. People have even mistaken our cur dogs for pit bulls! Heck we had a lady follow us more than 20 miles home, called the law on us and everthing because she was concerned about the well being of our dogs when all they we're doing was resting in their in their dog trailer after a long day of hunting.I see the point your trying to come across. Its happened so many times to us.

Got accused of dog fighting outside of a tractor supply one day.  A lady say my dog box with a (skunky) biothane cut collar hanging off it and went right into the ol "I know what that stuff is for and I'm gonna call the cops" routine.   rolleyes  should have let her take the skunky collar home for evidence.

Look - participating in illegal activities gains you a certain reputation whether you like it or not.  Dog fighting is one of these.  There may be times where you are falsely accused of something you didn't do, it comes with the territory.  So what if he's speculating?  The bottom line is the dog was starving and would have expired without his aid.  This has nothing to do with anti's or dogfighters getting wrongly blamed.  As far as someone claiming my dogs are fighting dogs - I've no prOblem sitting down with the game warden and showing him pics and video to prove my innocence.  That accusation would be easy to disprove for any of us.  GOOD WORK JAG.

Well alot of people talk about dog fighting like they have seen it first hand!!!I don't beleave they have!!!  LETS GET THIS STRAIGHT I DON'T DOG FIGHT NEVER HAVE AND DON"T CARE ABOUT IT!!! But I have been to several dog fighter house and there dogs are in better shape than most hog dogs!! There was dog fighters that DID NOT FIGHT TO DEATH They did the hit three times rule.. Why would they want a dog to die that they just bet $25,000 on just cause he lost that one he probally one lots of money and is a hell of a stud dog!! I seen a vidieo one time of dog fighting it was not that bad they had stuff to take care of the dogs on the spot..  Dog fighting did not excite me... But   there    was    dog     fighters    who  took      good       care     of      there      dogs      and      ones      who    did     not    !!!!!     Just       like      hog       hunters    !!!!  One     day      if      they      ever      make       hog    hunting     illigeal     someone     on   a   thread    might     be     talking      about     us     like    this      because       they     never       got      to     see   the     good     side    of     what     we    do !!  I still beleave in freedom and  I thank we should worry about human life more than an animals life!! Kid dieing of cancer---women dieing of cancer   little bit more to worry about...   One more thing I no guys who fight roosters who run down a man who fights dogs!!  My hole point about this is there is people who think what we do is wrong we don't thank it is wrong!!! But a man that fights dogs- Roosters  did'nt think it was wrong either then they MADE IT ILLIGEAL!!!

Chance, thtat was a great post and mirrors my thoughts...most of your old "real" game dog men were some of the best dog men you could find...now these modern day thugs who see tv and think what they see or read is the way it is done is the problem. It does not hurt to educate your self on things such as this as the AR folks veiw us not differently than dog fighters really.

Just as Scott said, a bait dog was never historically a part of the fighting dog word...now it may very well be a part of the uneducated thug population who own some remenant of the real APBT's and know no better.

Any way...good post.

Thanks underdog!!!! Oh I am not trying to defend dog fighters just trying to let people understand to be open minded  about things... But as far as the one story about people asking a guy if he wanted to bump his dogs!!!!The old dog fighters that I new would never ask someone that they kept a very low key about what they done and you had to know them real good for a while before they would even talk about it....I don't think the guy would even think about stepping out of his truck and trying to scrap with one of these guys... Remember they love to watch fights and probally don't mind scraping themselfs....Some of the main reason for shuting down dog fights was the gambling that took place.....And usally drew a pretty bad crowd  drugs ect..... Agin please don't think I am defending them we could  be in there shoes one day!!!

I think we're already trying their shoes on. :o

Catch comps were outlawed and bayings now in a lot of states.

What cracks me up is after the catch competitions were outlawed, people started bad mouthing them... the same people that attended and participated in them! ??? ??? ???

Yes Sir!!!! ;)

yeah well the ones he was talkin about is the thugs that try to fight their dogs and are stupid about bein open about it, i kno what u mean about how it started and was posed to be but around here its mainly just these thugs thinkin they have to fight them to death and dont take care of them and stuff!