EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Anyone out there hunt with Bully Kuttas or know anyone who does?

I dont have any advice to offer you. But I'd bet it'd be dang near impossible to find one without dog aggression. But hey ive been wrong before .

Im not aware of any in the us but from what I understand they are bred for four or five distinct purposes and one of them is for tracking down and catching wild boar. In Pakistan they dont use the game dogs for hunting and the hunting dogs are bred to be smaller like 90 to 130 lbs. The hunting dogs are bred to have really good endurance, they have a beautiful confirmation and long jaws with a square bit like a dogo. very similiar to a dogo in that they find track and catch.

I have yet to see or hear of anyone in the States running dogs of that size 150 - 200lbs .Theres a couple of Pakistani guys on facebook who have boar dogs that look more like greyhound crosses.

I just don't see a dog of that size being practical in most cases. A dog like that would never be able to keep up where hogs run or in a open field I would think not sure but that's a educated guess. I would go under size than over size if I had to choose in this game

Didnt you guys read my last post they dont use those large ones for hunting they use the smaller ones. You dont think A hundred pound dog thats been bred for endurance and speed for over a thousand years can find and catch a hog. Many of our large dog breeds have lost their speed and stamina because they arent bred for it anymore, but dont think they were always that way. Many wolves are over a hundred pounds and they keep up with large game just fine. And the original wolfhound was around a hundred pounds and could run them down, but they had more of a longdog confirmation. The Greatdane was bred to track and catch boar that would be a similiar style dog. Im surprised no one in the states has some. Theres tons of Dogos around being imported for as much as it would cost to get a bully kutta. Ive seen some pictures on the net of them and they are some of the most beautiful dogs ive ever seen.

Well by all means go get you one and try it out if your that sold on them and tell us how it works out for you.

If you let me borrow the money I will go to pakistan and get one right away! lol! I could never afford it but there are plenty of people out there who could.

Looks like a long neck DOGO

I seen them on craigslist but who knows if there where the real deal.

I have 3 dogs with mostly wolf hound blood in them.  They aren't big like you might think.    They aren't full blood so technically they are lurchers.    They are the same size as my stag.  Their bloodline stems from working dogs, not show dogs.

wikipedia says the minimum size for a male wolfhound is 130 lbs and for a female 105 lbs. not that wiki is always right but they are not small dogs

that long neck is very helpfull for not getting cut up on large boars

I wouldn't worry about what Wikipedia says about anything. They base everything off the show breeds, and people who work their dogs and people who show their dogs breed in two different directions and you will get a huge variation in the two.

why would any one want to bother with that unless they want the prestige of owning one of them dogs. your right alot of the stamina in alot of dogs have been bred out in the U.S. but im sure alot of their dogs in pakistan have too been bred out. its enough great dogs just in the lower part of the U.S. to be able to find something that will work to catch a hog with. without having to deal with all that for something that you know nothing about onlt to more than likely get dissapinted in the end. and regardless if the dog is 110lbs give or take 20lbs he cannot stay in a race for the long haul.

I'd maybe use this breed for a protection dog but not for hunting. The Bully Kutta was used for hunting then they were replaced and used for dog fighting.  I doubt you would be able to find one that wasn't dog aggressive, and they are almost always over 100lbs...which in my opinion is to large for a dog at working weight.  I don't think the pros out weigh the cons for this breed when compared to other hog dog breeds out there....but then again, I use Dogos  ;D

Could possibly work in place of a dane in a cross.Don't know about their noses though.Would be interesting to see how a cross with something small and drivey like a whippet or smaller type Airedale would work.

Dogos are pretty similiar. many dogos are well over 100 lbs, but hog doggers just pick smaller dogs out of the gene pool to breed and hunt. I really like dogos, but they are white, I wish they came in black or brindle.

If you could find a good Bulldog x Bandog.  ;D

True. The Dogo wasn't meant to be bred in to this huge 120lb dog, the breed standard is to be under 100lbs and that's how I like them.  I also agree with you on color, if there's something written in the standard I'd change it would be to allow higher percentage of black on the face and to add the brindle color. I have a Dogo mix with a brindle face mask, and you see the brindle pop up in some litters but not often.

And this kind Of stuff is why I rarely come on this site, Do really think Hog Doggers just went to the store and picked out two dogs because it was the cool size and color and like I think this will fit?  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, they only gety bred from tried tested and proven of what is efficient of proven to catch and prove it works day in and day out, healthy and it WORKS THE BEST IN THE HUMIDITY AND TERRAIN we live in, no flat dessert lands,,,,,,but You would have to think about more then a color or wish it came in better colors for your collection. That's from people that actually get out and catch hogs year round and have breeds that do the jobs instead of reinventing the wheel.

So you are saying that when they were creating dogos that only the white dogs ended up being good hunting dogs, so they bred out all the other colors because they couldnt hunt??? thats ridiculous!!! The current dogo breed standard only alows

the current dogo breed standard only allows for ten percent of the dogs head to be not white, that has nothing to do with hunting ability

I think you missed UglyDogs point completely.      UglyDogs isn't concerned about color and rightfully so.   A working dog should be chosen on it's abilities and it's drive and hunt style and so on.     Color does not catch pigs or make the dog great in the working world.   Maybe in the show world but not the working world.   Choosing a dog for its color rather than its working abilities tells a lot of working dog people a lot about you.      This sight is geared towards working dogs not show dogs.      I hope I explained good enough without insulting.    That's my take on what UglyDog was conveying and if so I'm 100% in agreement.

Nearly all breed standards are written by "show" people and do nothing but add to the decline in the quality of that breed. Whatever was meant by those breed standards gets misinterpreted by each generation and twisted to their view of what that dog should look like to do the job it was originally bred for. If the dogs are not tested in the discipline they were bred for the decline will be inevitable! Having color in a breed standard is pretty ridiculous in my opinion, it is a preference not a determination ability to get the job done. Sorry for the soap box but I am a recovering dog show judge! LOL

Actually u missed the point. The two brothers who created the dogo thought that color was very important, surely in some instances more important than hunting ability, or else they could not have created a breed of dog that was consistently all or mostly white. color is exactly what they selected for along with many other traits they deemed important. So if you think it says something about me then it also says the same thing about the breeders of the dogo. Sure I prefer certain colors because they are easier on the eyes, but I have never chosen a dog based on color if thats what you are assuming. All things being equal, if I chose a pup out of a litter with different colored pups, I probably wouldnt choose white, does that mean im choosing a lesser pup? I dont think so, Ive raised litters up and the ones I think are going to be the best hog dogs in the end are rarely the ones I would have picked. Ive noticed I do pick the ones with the disposition I like accurately but not hunting ability. When your hunting at night Ive noticed big boars will target white dogs, and hogs that have a tendency to run will see them further off where its open and get a head start, I prefer dogs that are camouflaged to their surrounding. that being said I bet youd be surprised to know that my best dog is white and half dogo, I picked him for his disposition and he just happened to turn out to be one of the best dogs ive ever had. so no I dont pick my dogs solely on color, but I wouldnt knock a guy if he did, its a free country. whatever floats your boat, have at it. Maybe your that guy who rides around on a white horse like the lone ranger, or who stalks deer in snow white camo,Im not. Seems to me your post says something about you, that you assume a lot with very little information, and we all know what assuming does.....

 I fully agree with you, I shouldnt have used the breed standard in my example but the fact that the brothers who created the dogo thought that color was very important, so much that they selected for it for decades

Color draws your eyes to the dog. But ability makes you keep it


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one is a show dog the other a hunting dog of the same breed...

I started out breeding Decker rat terriers for deer hunting, at one point I was going to get my pups registered through the Decker Hunting Terrier Registry, Which is supposedly just for breeders who hunt their dogs. But they still have a breed standard. The brothers who created the dogo had a breed standard, it might have been in their head but they had a clear plan of what they were creating or dogos wouldnt have such little variation. Any breed of dog that breeds true had a breed standard at one point, it doesnt mean they arent good hunting dogs, most hunters cant breed for color and all the other qualities that make up a good hunting dog successfully because it would be to costly, you would need too many dogs, not because it ruins the breed. The dogo was bred to be white for visibility, so you could see your dogs from long distances with the naked eye, today with trackers its not so beneficial, I dont think they would have made the dogo white in this day and age. if you look on Los Cazadores kennels webpage it gives a summary of the history of the dogo and in it it says Augustin Nores Martinez, the creator of the dogo WROTE the first breed standard for the dogo in 1928. theres nothing wrong with having a breed standard with color in it, its breeders who dont hunt their dogs that destroy the breed as we as hunters would like to see it preserved.

I would like to hear a good reason why anyone would specifically breed for white with all the issues that come with white. Color is the easiest thing to nail down in a breeding program. All those things you can't see like hunt and nose and range and......... are a lil tougher!

x2...no exotic colors for me as well...chocolate and the wrong white equals to bad pads on long hunts not to mention deafness and eye sight issues amongst other things such as skin problems, allergies and sometimes no undercoats...did I miss something?  ???

Heat tolerance? Wasn't that a goal with the dogo?

    Your right, I'm not really following you at all.

If that didnt explain it I dont know what will

It seems very suspect that you never seen any of the initial cross photos. If anyone has a link showing some I would appreciate it. Out of 10 breeds you get one look.... consistantly, even early on? Seems odd

ya out of ten breeds and only two of them are white, you cant get an all white breed without selecting heavily for the color white. it sure didnt ruin the dogo

DOGOS still today are getting pups with black and brown patches on there body from seemingly all white parents.  Its heavily penalized and therefore not   seen to often. Deafness is one problem prone to boxers especially white ones. However hardly and deafness in that fluffy ass great pearnese. But the black spots on the body (skin not coat) are always on that great parnese dog. Its just a standard and a good one for that region...here in TEXAS especially with all this dam rain the white dogo turns brown from all the mud or cant see number 2 in thick piney woods. But when he is cleaned up dude looks good in the neighborhood! !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VWJSAl5e4Q watch this video and tell me bully kuttas arent badazz!!!

I saw some good baying dogs then a dogo am I missing something ?


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those arent dogos. they are bully kuttas

So what is so bad azz about them? They caught the hog, well done they did their jobs. Pretty much any catch dog worth feeding would have done the same thing. I'm not trying to sound rude but, I didn't see anything special.

That's what I was thinking.

Ya other badazz catchdogs would do the same thing. Ive seen many do a lot worse.

That video has been around for awhile and that's a dogo.

As far as the cur dogs, they seem like some bay busters. Either back off and bay or get alligator rough, no in between.

I've seen the first video with the bay dogs and the Dogos catching before the next one with the guys in dresses and the weird net doing god knows what with that poor hog is a new one.Didn't see no bully kuttas.

What is the big deal with the bully kuttas.


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Bully kuttas are just another contemporary bull mutt breed. The mythical and made up historical references and just plain garbage and false.
They are bred in the Mid East and Far East for dog fighting and nothing more.
They are bred to pit against various breeds as well as their own kind and matched in wrestling matches as dog fight goes in that part of the world and often dogs are pitted in extreme lopsided odds. These barbarians use and import all types of warrior breeds and put th against one another.
There is nothing fair or sporting in alot of these matches while a bunch of 'men in dresses' cheer on.
There are a few fighting breeds in these regions that go back centuries such as the kangal in the Mid East and the ovcharca in the eastern block nations that are fought with tradition (not saying it's right) and are matched evenly as employ the same styles as to dhow some sort of actual sport.
But the bully kutta is a modern made up breed and prob contains various components of the native fighting breeds plus various bulldog and mastif components that were imported as well.

Why would one want to use a composite bred dog fighting animal not bred for speed or agility or and real amount of gameness on hogs is beyond me???

While the dogo is not my breed of choice I sure can respect a good representative of the breed as the breed was purposefully developed to catch and hold wild game, as I can respect a pit or an Ab in the same way

But a second class (in it's own region) 'fighting' dog , with no physical attributes conducive to bring employed in the woods on wild game for hog hunting???

The whole thought of the thing seems illogical and nothing but a giant leap...backwards.

But go ahead and get ya one! They sure look cool in the yard lol

I have seen actual videos of bully Kuttas on hogs. The videos I saw if the hogs teeth had not been dubbed everyone of them woulda been dead. They have some grit but not enough commitment.  Not one latched on and actually held. I have not been impressed.


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My buddy sent that to me and said they were kuttas, from pakistan. I think you might be right though. I dont think they use trackers in Pakistan

Mostly Ive just read great stuff about kuttas on hogs, I havnt seen any video evidence to back it up. but youd think if a whole region in the world uses them to hunt there must be some good ones. I guess our domestic breeds are probably better. I forget that most everyone on here is from Texas the hog hunting capital of the us. Not everyone has access to good hunting and good dogs. whatever those catch dogs were on that video, we dont have catch dogs like that around here that Ive seen. most everyone uses pit bulls because they can get them for free off craigslist and they are are all dogs bred for no specific purpose. I dont know anyone in california breeding and selling catchdogs. Out here we cant just go on bayed solid or biggamehoundsmen.com or this website and find a dog in our area, sometimes there are some but they are very few and most often someones culls. I dont know a single person that has an american bulldog or a dogo. My catchdog is the only one Ive ever seen that doesnt hit the hog like a line backer or try to fight it or try to rip its ear off or regrips. Most of you on here dont realize how good you have it. Those dogs in that vid impressed me, I like how they went up to that hog slowly and latched on and didit regrip, I also like how tall they were, they would be able to control a large boar better that some small pits, Ive seen large hogs just run off with small pits hanging off it. You guys in texas probably come from hog hunting families, I didnt even meet someone who hog dogged til I was 38, its just a different hog doggin world out here.

Those dogs in the first half of that video in the woods are Marvin Garret's from Louisiana and the catch dogs are Dogos... I remember it from a few years back.. someone just dubbed their voice over it. There other one with the net who knows..

  X2!!

La DOGOs is Marvin.  I dont know him but here he does a good job culling and leaves his DOGOs on the ground with curs.

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They are nice looking dogs but I wouldn't even try one here in Arkansas my catch dogs 45-50lb and he has caught and held hogs 300+ he may get drug around a little but he does the job takes up very little valuable space don't eat much and with a vest he has only been cut a couple of times he is low to the ground so when he catches he pulls the hog toward the ground and the hog cant get under him. No doubt those big suckers can catch I just like a small dog with a big heart. We hunt lots of thickets and if I had a big dog like that on the ground with my bay dogs he would end up catching and sometimes its over a hour before I can get to them it would be a mess. I even like my bay dogs on the small side 35-40 lb.