EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Just like it says.like to keep it about pitbulls only but open to bulldogs/dogos too.Your thoughts-

Does the dog find hogs?

Yes like it says hunting pitbull that bays.it hunts finds hogs but bays up. :-\

  just my opinion , not on my yard .  to me a bulldog bred right has only one thing on it's mind , and that is catch and hold  .

Cull... bulldogs don't bay. ;D

I know i couldnt every keep a bulldog that just bayed. I think i would be hurting the breed all together. I think a pit needs to have a drive that other dogs are not born with. Also if people started breeding pits to be baydog it make it harder to find a true all guts catchdog.its bad enough that people want short fat pitbulls with no stamina.

Life is too short to keep a "bulldog" that bays! Cull ASAP!

No sir

CULL!! or pet but I personally ain't having a bulldog that ain't at some point in its life gonna show me it'll catch

I see nothing wrong with it. People lead in cur dogs that are straight catch. If the dog finds hogs who cares ? A catch dog that bays is a cull. A bay dog that catches and not bays is a cull. How is a bay dog that bays a cull ?

    cause we talking bull dogs not bay dogs and catchy curs   lol   

Absolutely! Bulldogs aren't bred nor were they ever bred to bay!

Guess if he was a good one id have him cut and hunt him but thats me. Should we cull bird dogs people are usin for hogdogs? Just sayin.

I have seen a few that where made to bay. But I won't have a bulldog that won't catch bottom line some might not catch how you want but they lock on. Now if they are better positioning them selfs that's fine but they had better be fast bout it

   So a cur that trees is a cull ? The guy never said his catch dog bays.

Judge, the ones that are bred to bay aren't considered bulldogs in my book... They are curs! lol
He said pitbull which equals catch dog.

Not sure what opinion is bring sought out here. If it finds you a pig and bays it and that's what you want it to do.....
More power to you. To do the breed justice I'd like to think you'd never breed that dog back to another bulldog though. It wouldn't be good for the integrity of the breed, if you will.

Ur dog to feed not mine. Cut it's noodles and do as u please. Don't breed it to anything. Bulldogs are not known for nose so a decent scent dog should out hunt it. They are also not known for wind. So a decent running dog will out do it. Unless it's the exception to the rule I might let it run for excercise but the dog would be a pet or cull. 


Shotgun
Arkansas

 lol what are you talking about centex ? hell  a cur dog should tree as well as with all it's other duty's . cur dogs are the universal game dog . but bulldogs on the other hand were bred for one specific job catch and hold period  .   peace out !!!  ;D

My friend had a pit female that would find, bay, and then catch on command. He thought she was the best thing since sliced bread since he didnt have to lead her. Not for me, but like they say, one mans trash is another mans treasure. ;D

So he's a baydog,,, use him if he finds u  pork.

If a man had a dog like that, then by all means hunt him.  If he's finding and baying his own hogs i wouldn't care if it was a Boston terrier if he's doing what i like then he would hunt till he wouldnt. But like someone else said , i wouldn't breed him to anything.

Big Nasty does the dog catch when you get there or another dog shows up if so does it stick like glue once caught.If it finds and catches with another dog or when you show up don't see a problem with it I would never breed it unless it's just a phenomenal dog that out finds and out works all your other dogs.Then I would still only breed it outside its breed never to another pit.

Guess I'm just a traditionalist but he wouldn't take another breathe if he were mine, but that's just me and not my name or money, but I would think if someone were in it to breed a better dog then that wouldn't even be a question.

When I say made bay I mean didn't have the heart to catch after getting beat off. But to each there own hey every one feeds what they call a dog not there buddy lol

If he bays up till bulldog or DOGO get there it will work!!

i dont/wouldnt own such dog but some years ago i knew of one like that.i would have a hard time feeding such a weak specimen of the breed and surly would never breed a dog like that.  

Cull

I gotcha Judge...

A real Pitbulls will already have the hog caught and tied before the dogo or ab got there. Lol

Shotgun, the APBTs that I have been involved with are definitely known for their wind... Hell with the right conditioning mine could breathe underwater... Well almost! Lol The right bulldogs do have very good wind and can last all day if they are conditioned right. Just my .02

  I've got an AB that helps me with squirrels. She doesn't tree them or post up at at trees base, but if i wig one with a slingshot and it falls out of a tree, she will grab it. I just have to get to her before she swallows it.

We are on the same page!  ;D............ there is a guy I know that had a bulldog gyp that would bay  a hog in a pen all day if you let her.............funniest thing ive ever seen/heard ...........the squeaks and chirps that came out of her woulda had the most serious fella in the area crackin up!!!! the sad part is that dummy ended up breedin her to another bulldog and sold the pups as catchdogs...........he has a freakin puppy mill goin down there  rolleyes.........thats a whole nother subject though

Pretty is as pretty does in my book! Plenty if hounds and curs that catch but don't find. Just because a dog doesn't fit a certain mold doesn't mean it can't be repurposed. I knew an old coon hunter that had a dog that would run and tree gray foxes. He sold him to a fox hunter for good $ and the fox hunter was happy! Agree that this dog is freakishly unique and should not be bred. Never hurts to try something different.

The coonhound comparison isn't even close to the same especially since the coonhound types that the UKC recognizes all came from foxhound blood, with the exception of the Plott

TMatt,
Simply making a point that just because a dog doesn't perform to the normal expectations of the breed doesn't mean that the dog isn't productive.
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I didn't ask for a debate or your opinion. The gentlemen who posted this topic did ask for OPINIONS, which is what I provided.
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If I want a hound history lesson, I'll start a post with that as the topic.

A hound that bays is doing exactly what it was bred to do regardless of what it bays... So I don't see how that comparison applies to this situation. Maybe you need a hound history lesson or a dog history lesson in general, I don't know, I was just stating the facts and not an opinion. Hounds bay, bulldogs catch and curs were bred to do all of the above. That's a fact not an opinion.

If the bulldog was the type dog that you could ride and put on a track say 5-6 hours old and he bayed him about 3 hours later it would be hard to cull him. Or if you could just free cast him in a bad thicket and he make a 30minute or so loop hunting and bayed no catching and letting go it would be hard to cull a dog like that what ever kind of breed it is. But in all honesty a bulldog shouldn't ever get to that point in life he should of been culled in the pen when he got tried out and didn't catch. But if all the dog does is booger bark a little in the corner of the hog pen yea it definetly needs culled

The right bulldog would catch.

I will agree to an extent but bulldogs are not known for running a track. "Wind" to me. I have seen some that did great. I have seen many more that did not.


Shotgun
Arkansas

My buddy has a bulldog that can wind witch is great but cant let him run a track just a little to gamey to let loose.

I got 3 that'll wind,trail,sight hunt whatever you want they'll do it but they sure enough catch and hold anything.only barking any have let out is after hogs caught and there on a tree.

Yea i would like a bulldog that could wind thats a good trait

didn't go back and re read all the posts but are you sure its an APBT, Possibly a cross that just has that look?

We've got an ab/cat that has found and CAUGHT plenty of hogs. I've had plenty of "pit bulls" that wouldn't catch. Too many good curs out there to waist my time with a pit that wont catch but that just my 2¢ :)

Is it possible that the terrier genetics are strong in this particular American Pit Bull Terrier?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrier