EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Which do you think makes a better catch dog an American bulldog or a pitbull?


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Ether will do the job but don't be cheap when it's time to get one


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Its hard to beat a game bread pit bull

what does game bred mean


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All that its come to mean nowadays is that it had some fightin dogs in its ped!

better is both relative and subjective. first what exactly do you expect in a catchdog? for examples:: will he be turned in at 20 yards or 200 yards from the bay/fight, will he have any help form the bay and or strike dogs , what type of country will you hunt in, will he be the only catchdog on each hog, how much stamina do you expect from the catchdog on each hunt, do you care if your catchdog is on injured reserve half the time, do you care of you are constantly replacin catchdogs due to death or serious injuries.all these and other qustions need to be answered before the answer of whats better can really be answered. then all dogs of a breed dont preform the same also. all that being said ive hunted with a lot of both breeds and have been lucky to have some real good ambulls.bottom line though is what the indivual dog does for me.

This is the best answer I think. I don't have pits but I've hunted a lot with one that was absolutely an awesome dog. Seen some since that I had no use for.  The bulldogs we have now satisfy me and that, I think, is the biggest part of the puzzle. It's like asking "which girl is the prettiest?" Depends on who ya ask. My granddad used to say "if everyone liked the same thing they'd all be after your grandma!"  ;)

Ttt


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Try the search funtion,,,,,this has been beat to death many,many times.

All that pops up is dogs for sale


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buckshot what are you lookig for in a catch dog? ill tell you what i like and why it might not be the best but i like pits, i like them because their smaller than the average size american bulldog, the american bulldogs take up as much room as 2 dogs can on a fourwheeler or in the dog box and it probable takes a little more food to keep a american bulldog at peak weight than a pit, and i hunt clearcuts and thickets so a big bulldog has a little hareder time getting through there and sound like a buffalo coming in, alot of people think a bulldog has to be 110lbs to hold a big hog but that is definetly not the case all you need is one that wont let go and be a distraction long enough for you to get the back leg. the pit i use now is alot bigger than what i like but it is what i got for the time being and hes real gentle and my old lady claims him so i guess ill use him til i have to find another. if you get a good pit he will die before he lets you down. but as long as your thinking about a pit or american your on the right road its when you start talking about a dogo is when your going backwards.

I'm basically looking for a dog that will catch on sight and not let go no matter what and also a dog that will be ok around kids I've never owned a catch dog other than a catahoula that would catch smaller hogs or a large one with my friends catch dog they always use abs but I'm more interested in pits


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I like a pit between 45 to 55 but 60 is ok. That size is what works best for me I don't care for the big monster pits to much dog it's the jaw you want not a tug of war lol


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Well, one thing for sure is not all AB'S are cut out for being a CD. If your friends have good AB'S that do their job and your still leaning toward a pit, then my advice would be find a hunter that breeds pits and has at least a few generations of good stable CD'S to get a pup from. There are plenty of good pit families out there that produce stable woods dogs. It's the same with AB'S, there are hunters breeding dogs that fit the description you listed above but it's a shorter list IMO. I started with AB'S and have stuck with them because they meet my expectations and with selective breeding, they pass on the traits I'm looking for consistently. Two big ones are Zero self preservation, and a hard bite when they are in the woods and act like there is something that resembles a brain between their ears everywhere else, bi polar bulldogs basically lol. Like Bo said, your fishing in the right pond, you can't go wrong with a good one from either breed. Hope you find what your looking for.

Britt Garcia

thanks man


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I own both breeds and I am happy with my dogs. My AB is 80# very tall and leggy and my pits are 75-95# also tall leggy dogs.I don't lead dogs very often and all will find and catch there own.At the moment every dog in my yard is a male (except a gyp pup)and I have zero aggression issues. I've read prior post on here from people saying that they don't run pits because they fight but you can't make mine fight so don't let ignorance steer you away from either breed.Find a dog from good dogs and keep them socialized and you'll be happy.I prefer big tall lean pits because I use them as RCD's and I like the size to handle a big hog till I get there.

Cracker do those big Bulldogs tear off ears when they are caught for a few min till you get there just curious. I ain't have much luck with those big ones. My buddy has one bout 100 lbs. I got some 45 lb cuts that hold better than he does lol I had one that was a train he was bout 80 that cured me from big ones 


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No not to many ears lost but it happens some times.My Redman dog has the hardest mouth I've ever seen 2 break sticks and 2 grown men most times.Their ears usually look pretty ruff when they heal no need for notchin lol.

I'm supposed to be meeting with a guy about a pit next week


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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tuZpkZbtiGE
Are dogos even catch dogs rotfl

Any of the catch dogs I've hunted with would have at least died trying to catch that hog lol


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They better die trying hell my curs would catch that hog


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My 2 cents for what its worth.

I personally prefer a pitbull on the smaller side 40-55lbs or so due to size mainly. I have hunted with some really nice ab's that Mr. Bryant (underdog) bred that could get it done as good as any pit i have hunted behind. The 1 big difference (in my experiences) is that all of the ab's ive hunted with have been lead in dogs, not to say that you couldnt send em to a bay, i just have not seen it. The way we hunt most of the time we get within 50-100yds from the bay and turn a pit to em then follow right behind as opposed to walking the pit all the way to the bay.

One of, if not the biggest factor in my opinion is what the rest of your dogs will do when the bulldog gets there. Ours are generally a bit rougher and more often than not catch the hog without a bulldog but they have enough sense to know when they need to back up and bay, they all pile on with the bulldog which is another reason i tend to lean towards a smaller pit as opposed to a bigger cd, if our dogs didnt help catch i would be looking for an ab to use.

Bottom line is both breeds have rockstars and culls, dont worry about the breed as much as the line that the dogs come from and decide what will fit your hunting style the best.

Also just to throw it out there, the ab's that i have hunted bebind (lacy man, peachcreek and underdogs to be exact) have been much more chill and easy going while on the buggy and before as well as after a bay as opposed to alot of the pitbulls ive seen. Some pits just flat out lose it around a hog or at the sound of the bay, while i can't knock em for their drive/want to i can say that i dont care for it personally and try not to keep a dog that wont relax.

The reason justin has only seen our abs be walked right in close to a bay is we care if our dogs get wrecked. Sending a cd in from 50-100 yards is just asking for heat stroke or for stuff to get wrecked. How many times have you been headed in and hit a wall of briars or such that you have had to crawl through. I see people loose cd just about every week and it is just about always from sending them in from way out. If my ab could hear a bay a mile away i could send him from a mile away. Lol

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Some dogs might be uncontrollable...but usually, it is a handler problem...years ago I had to struggle with most of my dogs because they were chomping at the bit to go...I learned to refuse to move forward until the dog settled and calmed down before proceeding...you need to be firm and calm...works great...

A lead used properly or correctively will solve most of that. I like smaller pits becuz of terrain but lot of time with rough dogs   


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we use both american bull and pit bull both are capable of making a fine dog.if i had to choose i have to go pit bull for overall health/hips/wind/sisor bite

I didnt post that to start a fight. I personally liked those dogs and wasnt talking down on em.....differemt strokes for different folks.

This is my first post on this board....

I've been member a while (though ive tried to register but couldnt make it work) after following for years.

Both good breeds. Loosely interpreted

Both got great dogs for catching hogs and both got crappers (fer catching hogs) as Justin said.

I love the ab. Had many and for quite a while.

Great temperment and handle and the good ones way more trainable and steady then the pitbull IMO

What I found lacking in comparison was wind, teeth, nimbleness and a certain degree of fire. The last is debatable as in this line work only enough fire to hold a good hog is needed and anymore is a detriment as in being too 'hot'.
 
As hog hunting is all I do with bulldogs I wanted best of both worlds. Not to say you can't have it all in a dog of either breed by itself either.

But I'm just working with dogs I have, and my own personal experience.

I decided to cross the two.

I have the best hog catching ab I've owned. After many many abs, and being in the breed for a while. And working different venues. She the only one I got left because I became a sold hog hunter from first time out.

I decided to cross the ab with a pitbull.

Mind you I've hunted along side plenty of them as well over the years and didn't care for some in the others were total package on their own.

Now like I said I started with a good line of ab that is known for a great handle and hog hunting propensity, but I felt I still had room for improvement.

Now working with what I had available and have seen in action over a couple of generations of the line of putbull I chose to cross with. I can say they are big strong catchweight dogs that breed consistent with a hate for a hog. I have seen some that were hard as nails but not worth damn on a hog and I have seen some that all around may have been better but for one reason or another were not available. But the dog I bred too, I have seen the sire and multiple siblings come out great straight catchdogs naturally. But these are (to tread lightly here, as recent posts go, which I enjoyed reading and respect alot, were 'game bred' dogs. And needed a moderate amout of policing when not actually employed on the intended task. That can be a pain in the ass.
Something you don't get as much with a cd bred ab.

I figured, after breeding trials, and internal debate squash a little of the nonsense from the pit but add what I saw was needed in the ab. (This is on a purely catchdog level)
By crossing two well thought out and prooven tru breeding families for catching hogs of both breeds.

...again, not to say you couldn't get it from either breed by itself.
I just wanted more consistency on the outcome and what I deemed each breed lacked for that as a norm.

Anyway. Pups aren't quite a year yet , snd jury is still in deliberation, but they seem to be a great balance  and I  got what I was looking for as tools, handle and drive go for hogdogs.

Just relating my experience and there are bunch of folks on here that know  me and I defer to them got any more experienced input

That just my two cents..,
 

This is not to say that they are gonna be perfect at all. Like I said jury is still out.

But also my Frankenstein experiment may yet hold another component in next couple years.

Could be I may add yer a third breed. This cross I accidentally bred made a heck of a catchdog and I'd love to incorporate it as well. After all a little hot nose rough curr couldn't hurt lol
 
http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=90228.0 (http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=90228.0)

Sorry wrong link

http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=83330.msg499605#msg499605 (http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=83330.msg499605#msg499605)

Crap! Lol

One more typo just got clear up...

Should have read cur with one 'r' on the previous post. Just because that black n tan catahoula in the last link is a cur he def aint no curr

....on a hog

Hey Semmes would like to see your pups and good luck with the endevor. I have been doing the cross for a couple years myself for some of the same reasons. Get better natural endurance, smaller size, Like a 65 - 85 lb males, very consistant athletic ability, etc. At this  point I am keeping them about 3/4 AB 1/4 APBT. They keep the positives and do not revert back to 50 Lb dogs like a pit. I do not see going to any other breed, I am very pleased with these. They are primarily Bullhead ABs and tight Chinaman APBT.
Brody,
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Rooster just turned 12 months
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/american_bulldog/dog.html?id=2176018-pluguglys-rooster
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Sadie 1.5 yo
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PupPup
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Mixer
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Lula
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Bullheads Cesar. Just had pups out of Cesar and Lula.
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Those are some good looking dogs fella


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Dang right there built just like I like em.

Teag_D here is one of the Semmes hybrid pups. She caught her first hobbled, then second as a 1 out free catch in a pen and has continued progressing since. If my math serves me right these dogs just made 11 months. I have witnessed mine and the one that Semmes has catch and I can without a doubt say that he is on the right track... Even with the Frankenstein experiment, he did something right lol. That dog now owned and posted about by slimhogdog is a monster.

Meet Roux, short for Roux-ga-roux

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Her playing with my 4yr old 45lb pit Dax at 8mo old
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Most recent
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A link to the post from when I first got her

http://www.easttexashogdoggers.com/forum/index.php?topic=88105.msg518084#msg518084

She is a looker for sure, good luck with her. I remember seeing the past post and liked the parents too. For me the cross is just the way to go. I know several people doing this and most all of em continue. When it nicks the progeny just are hard to beat
Teag

Don't believe everything you see and hear about any breed- one you tube video with a baying dogo shouldn't represent the entire breed.  I have a line bred dogo male that is a big ol teddy bear with my kids and you cant make him fight either.  He has caught some very bigs hogs by himself and didn't need any help.  No breakstick- he is as good as nay catchdog out there....and he was free from a friend.

The pit bull I have now tbat is my main catch dog will not fight either. I had a dog awhile back tbat would growl at him through the wire at feeding time and he would go get in his dog house and not eat, after several days of seeing his food in bowl I figured it out and moved the growly cur dog and man that bulldog was Hungary. And in the box he will lay down if a dog growls at him but he's all man when it comes to catching a hog and all jokes aside you don't want any kind of ill bulldog around your dogs or home whether it's AB or Pittbull it's to much liability and not worth it no matter how good of a catch dog it is. I know some guys tbat have been using half airdales half Pitts and they look fuzzy like a airdale but catch like Pitts but you can dump them on a track to their good for short races usually about a mile if they don't ger it caught they will come on back and you can dump them back out later. If I start back hunting a lot im really going to consider one of them.

i was joking lol


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