EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Anybody still breed these type dogs in east texas? I seen them brought up in discussions about black mouths? Yellowblackmask?

I like this style of dog. Short range catch on site type of dog they work good in the creek bottoms and briar patches we hunt. They don't work for every one or every terrain but will produce hogs. I like them the best in a pair with a loose dog works very well for me 


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That is how you would describe the pups you have on the ground now? How are they lookin'?

Well kinda but the straight curs I have. Have produced rougher dogs but they have the blood to be that way. Only way to know is put them to the test (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/19/91b05fbd5452a789a3317239101e4c2e.jpg)


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The original question asked "Does anyone breed these type of dogs anymore "

Very few actual breeders left of anything.

I would say as previously stated......just a few pockets of these dogs here and there. Very few are still activity kept and bred by the original guys that had them 20+ yrs ago when they were common as house cats up here.

I run across some every once in awhile, but hardly ever being activity bred and culled for a continued lines anymore.

My hunting partner Strikedogkennel has some I classify as these dogs out of some old Hardin County blood he acquired some years back.

They come straight YBM, short range and will catch a Sasquatch if he stands to fight.

I prefer the longer ranged colder nosed yeller dogs, but facts are facts with modern day hogs........either catch them immediately or have the bottom to run the air out of them. That's where these type dogs are nice to play with.

Small tracts and notorious runners sometimes require me changing my game. That's when I tell my buddy to grab the ole schools. ;)

Ybm what was the old Hardin county bloodline that your friend has?

(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/20/e5b81ed915a31e8c572f802b35bffc6d.jpg) Leroy old east tx cur pretty much a cd


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Good looking dog

Boy I like the looks that ole saddle back Leroy Judge you feed some fine looking dogs.

Thanks bro he is a stud of a dog when I cut him to a pig lol I stopped running him unless he is with another rough dog that will catch I been just using him as a catch dog 


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Well I stand corrected. His dogs are from a pocket in Liberty County not Hardin.

Some names that are in the background of his blood are Fregias, Taylor and Campbell bred dogs.
 
He aquired a pair of males from some family several years back and gifted me with one. They were cob rough and together would catch anything that was in front of them. Mine didn't make it but two seasons but he had made some very nice crosses of his male and another old family cow bred gyp from down that way also. 

The pups have mirrored the original males and are extremely rough and tend to wind vs trail. They ain't much for go yonders, but they  get-r-done when the snot slinging begins in a briar patch.

Ybm...if the Campbell curs are from where I think they come from then they are pit and bird dog crossed and that probably explains some of the rough and for sure the winding...

Could be Ruben. I am not familiar with either except the Taylor blood.

So far no paint has ever shown through out the 3 generations we have had them. I believe his kinfolk had them numerous generations prior.

Gonna try and post some pics of the original pair we got and some of the offspring

Male pup off the cross
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Original littermate males.

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Thanks for the info. Ybm

No problem bud.  ;)

Nice dogs ybm


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We raised some yella dogs that looked exactly like those two dogs when I was a kid. They hunted the same as you describe, the devil himself couldn't back those old dogs up! They were extremely suicidal dogs!

Appreciate the kind words Judge. :)

And yes David the word "Suicidal" unfortunately describes these type dogs.

By my count we have lost four in the last several years due to just that. Very effective in their chosen profession but shallow life expectancies.  Lots of stitch and staple hours associated with em. But straight gladiators!

That old line of dogs is no longer around because of that "suicidal" trait, unfortunately.

Fine looking dogs yall !! I am getting into these yella dog's and man do I get lost in some stories I find online regarding breeding and history on some of the dogs. !!!

YBM good looking dogs.Reuben you're correct on the Cambell Curs pit birddog maybe a bit of hound or who knows what in the mix but I bet that is where they get there grit them dogs are definitely ruff although everyone I have seen hunt or own are definitely go yonder long range dogs.Sounds like those poacher dogs would be excellent Airboat dogs wind and catch.

Here is another cur dog that is relentless on a hog not much bay to her she will try to catch until she does. If you hear her screaming at the pig you best have your stuff ready lol(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/07/21/2502627f246c7bd828761f834bd964a9.jpg)


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I think YBM is referring to a set of dogs outta East Texas owned by the Campbell's, not the Campbell curs outta Georgia, two completely different set of dogs.  I might be wrong, but I don't think I am especially after looking at the pictures of the yeller dogs he posted.

The Campbell name is just associated with them Georgia dogs because they were advertised and talked up so heavily.

You're probably right about ybm dogs but the Cambell name on them Georgia dogs comes from Gary Cambell the man who made the Cambell Cur.

Yes that's the Georgia dogs I was referring to, Campbell started em, and they use to be promoted pretty hard, so the it's an automatic association with the name Campbell nowadays.

You gentlemen are correct. The Campbell name would be from a family specifically around the Liberty County Texas area.

I however am not familiar with it, but my partner grew up down there and had ties directly into those folks.

There are the type Yellers dogs I grew up with as a teenager. The hogs hardly ever ran back then and a rough pair of Yeller dogs is all you needed to hunt,  bay and catch anything that squealed.

As the Russian influence increased around here I began to breed for adaptation, longer ranged, colder nosed, and increased bottom. That's where the Yellers I keep now came out of. I still prefer this type Yeller dog vs the Poacher style, but its just due to being used to a certain style for so long.

I have and still do keep some of the old style around for certain circumstances but I don't activity breed them here.  My partner however does and keeps his own stock across the woods in those specific line of dogs.

Ybm wasn't y'all messing around with some breeding with the intent of straight catch yellas? If so how's that project looking or is it still in top secret development stage?

We played with the project for couple seasons and were successful in my opinion on being able to re-create some straight catchers.

The negative part of that was.........we couldn't raise them faster than we were losing them.
A high % were culled back to RCD vs Straight Catch because they wouldn't dedicate it all to catching and holding no matter what.

The ones that did make the cut, didn't last long enough for us to breed them a second time.... Very frustrating to say the least.

In the end we decided to just produce the cob rough yellers that would hold a bull by themselves but would catch and stretch a grizzly with a pair. They seem to stay alive longer ran in pairs.

Three of them yeller convicts....were just cruel and unusual punishment!   >:D

Yeah I'm trying for this style

How is that young dog from Lamar shaping up? Also didn't you get some of those gumbo X pups off your old gyp? Curious to how they turned out as well?

Yes and yes both doing good rough rough not quite full catch but durn close

Awesome. Glad to hear they are getting some.

I bred that gyp of mine back to the dog out of gumbo and Dixie but afraid she had a miscarriage a couple days ago she was bleeding and a bloody mass but I didn't see no pups idk started her on penicillin. So will know in about 2 weeks for sure.  Really want pups out 93 her one more time I lost the three I had out of her and gumbo but got the male from Lauren danials he is ok just a big pup still waiting on him to mature a little and think he will be ok he so far is a bark or 2 and latch on so think he will work.  So or just now sitting down to reply.  he is super high energy but smaller in stature. So took after gumbo in energy and lolla in stature but seems to have a good head on him so hope he is smart as his momma and thinks like her.  For my style of hunting she is about the best I have found now if she was 4 inches taller lol

Do you fellas add bull dog to your curs to get them to catch. I don't but I know a lot do


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No sir.

Not a big fan of pits.

Few of the YBM we were successful on getting to be straight catch...no bark!
Sadly they all met the same fate!

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So none of them catchen yellers had any hunt?

Back when it seemed to me cur dogs were rougher in general. I use to hear old timers say, "Yea, the will catch if you raise them as catch dogs."
The concept was to school them by  never putting them on a hog they could not catch and gradually increasing what that was. We utilize a similar  concept when training police and protection dogs. The decoy is a little pig in the beginning and becomes bigger and bigger as the dog gains confidence and skill.  Thoughts?

Bobdog that's what I did with rough stock and it works good with some dogs


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If I hunt three dogs together they'll catch most boars. Two together tend to bay more. My dogs are getting more tattoo's every year ;D

 No nose to any of them. Wind a little but nothing to speak of.

The ideology of training them to be rough does in fact work up to a point.

That point being a sho nuff baddun that is pounding and grounding.  Most will back up even if its the first time being cut badly.

For a RCD that's fine......for a straight catch........completely unacceptable.

Depends on what your gunning for. But my opinion ....two different animals.

YBM...I know what you mean...lots of hunt with a good nose and RCD type work well in semi open to open country...

Mine will stand in there guts type dog which is good and bad I have an account at two vets and a truck bed full of staple guns and gauze. But I like em


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Just my 2 cents.  Take a good dog in thick heavy unrelenting country and put them in open country and your gonna have a rockstar.

A mediocre dog will be a good dog in open country.

A flat dud will probably turn into a keeper.

That has been my experience with hunting thicket dogs up in the plains area of Oklahoma.

Now taken into consideration I have never hunted in the mountains .....I do not know how they would shape up. I figure heavy heavy stamina would come into play.

I have observed track dogs that can wind just as good but few wind dogs that can take extensive tracks.

There was a fella on here few yrs back that stated his dog could wind a hog a 1000 yards away going down the hwy at 70 mh and could take a 14 hr old track. Not sure if I stated it just right but that was the bout the statement


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If true........would buy into that stock!

More than likely no cuz I got my own and they do good how ever I hunt and where ever I take them not saying they can't improve. If a dog is as stated and you bred him to the next best thing it might take 60 pups to even get close to him for that reason I wouldn't purchase into the line but if the breeding opportunity came up you would be a fool not to if that was what kind of dog your looking for. As a guy on here once said my kind of dogs are a dime a dozen and that's all I got in my pocket is dimes lol


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YBM I just put that theory to the test with good results.I mainly walk hunt my dog in thick swamp/river marsh terrain and in pine/palmetto briar stuff they have never been road hunted or casted.Last weekend I took them to some crop country roaded and casted and they took right to it and we caught hogs.

Last month I had a dog on trial that was raised hunting open crops and being roaded.I brought that dog to the thick with my dogs and he was totally lost and couldn't pick it up.

A decent dog should do good any where


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I agree.. a good dog should work most anywhere...

I been having a hard time posting with my phone...I  been missing my computer all this week...

The type of cur dog I like to keep is a dog with a good winding nose...a good trailing nose...and with plenty of stick and grit...a dog that makes it look easy finding hogs...and can hunt with any good dog anywhere...and look good doing it...

Definitely not talking about poacher style dogs here...those are usually cull dogs in my eyes...because they usually can't do what I mentioned above in the  first paragraph...if they can run with the pack then I call them good me too dogs...and there is definitely a place in the pack for these dogs...

I got a yella pup from Monty Bennett that turned out to be a real nice dog until he met the same fate that the yella catch dogs that ybm spoke of. He was straight catch but he could also wind or take a trail. He was cut to pieces and still caught on the last boar he had the pleasure of catching. He is the only straight catch yellas dog I've had the pleasure of owning and I sure wouldn't mind a few more just like him.

You're dang right a good dog should work anywhere and anyway it may take a minute to figure out what you want but if they can't adapt and get the job done they ain't for me.

The best thing you can do is be honest to your self bout what the dog is


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I like the looks of them

Problem with this is that everyone's opinion of what a decent dog ain't the same...you never know what you're feeding until you travel some and hunt different types of country.

End if the day though, you're feeding em so as long as you're satisfied, that's the main thing.

That may be true but I would reason to say that if a dog finds hogs at one place on a regular bases he can find them some where else. Is it his back yard no but a good dog x good handler will  figure it out. Or there not very good or not as good as they think lol


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(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/09/288f4f6050d2e0db138b699dc364db7e.jpg)  ybm this is Bo that came from Lamar. (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/09/e828693bb530dbfb595fced4fdc48295.jpg)  this is gunner that got from Lauren from gumbo/my yeller female. (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/09/4f24ebd94aaf78de2e01641dead43403.jpg)  this is a foundation dog the yeller one that is rough as can be.  (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/09/39af8bd3778ff7d41c769a86a3d1f8f3.jpg)  this is my old female I was hoping to have pups out of but afraid she miscarried.

yep...I stand by that as well...a good hog dog can hunt anywhere...as long as we are talking about good dogs...different terrains and conditions calls for different type hunting dogs and this includes how dog smart the hogs are...no one type of hog dog is best at all types of terrains/conditions...I have the opportunity to hunt a good place that is covered with brush and palmettoes with no cows running it...when we started hunting that place we caught quite a few hogs and some over 330 pounds...then they got dog smart and we will catch a few and miss a few...then once in a while we hunt the other side of the fence with the same dogs and catch 5 or 6 hogs in one hunt...probably the same hogs but a different terrain...a few thick briar patches here and there and some palmettoes but it is a natural wooded area and cows are always on it...so the woods are fairly open and the dogs can overtake the hogs pretty quick...

YBM could you ask your partner which Campbell he got the dogs from....Id like to know if it's the same one I knew, cause if it is that man had a dang good bunch of yellow dog

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Yessir I will ask.

This is one thing I hear all the time even my buddy's say it. Come try that here and there cuz it takes a better dog to catch hogs here lol. Y'all must be hunting in Oklahoma lol


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