EAST TEXAS HOG DOGGERS FORUM

Since I have been hunting hogs with dogs I have met some really smart dog men and I have also met some of the most ignorant people in the world. One in particular that seems to dream up these facts that I thought I'd share with all of you. He was the first person that I hunted with and these are some of things he told me.

A dog cannot smell when the humidity is high because a dog actually smells with their tongue and when its humid out it dries out there tongue.

A female dog will die if she gets in water while she's in heat because her euteris turns upside down to hold sperm and if swamp water gets in her euteris it will hold it like a cup causing an infection thus killing the dog.

It's OK for a dog to trash armadillos because they smell just like a pig.
Never let your dog drink to much water while hunting they will cramp up.

If a female dog gets cut all the male dogs will think she's in heat and fight.

I'm sure some more will come to me but I couldn't hold them in anymore let's hear some dumb sh@t you've heard.

I heard the armadillo one while hunting with some folks when I first got started. I was inexperienced at the time and just let it slide,  but I thought "no freakin way " ...

There dogs kept trashing on them dillas , they'd say it every time.  "There's so many armadillos around here and they smell just like hogs,  it's messing up the dogs"

Theres always the "if they don't catch a hog then they don't eat".....

My buddy told me put your dog up he is chasing the away lol


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i can understand the cramping from water. I'm sure if they are HOT!!! and they drink to much water to fast, just as we would, they could cramp up. horses are like that too, to hot, to much water to fast and they will cramp

You can't catch hogs with open dogs.

Lol I don't know how to keep a dog from drinking water when you hunt rivers swamps and marshes.

Then they dont have the chances of getting as hot as those who hunt in the much dryer areas.

I know I could understand that one if we were hunting somewhere else but he told me this while hunting here in the swamp.Just tickles me the things that people will say and believe. When I'm hunting my dogs drink and laydown in water the entire time to regulate there temperature and he would yell at his for doing that.

Bout the dumbest thing I have seen is guys that shock there dog to make them get out and hunt lol. This makes no since what so ever even if the dog takes off you ain't taught him to hunt just to stay away from you lol 


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When ever your out moving around we drink to cool off and stay hydrated so do the dogs that is total nonsense 


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I guy told me one time that his 30 pound Pits bite so hard that they paralyze the big hogs. Therefore, they could control a bad hog just as good as any other dog.

I'm aware that they can hold a bite as good as any other dog, but the control part I have yet to see.

Thought of another one the term strike dog is a dog that finds and catches a hog its a new term just used in the last 10yrs because strike dogs have just recently started to be breed.They reach out and strike the hog with their mouth.

Have heard a couple people say that strike dogs are small catch dogs that are trained to latch on to the nose of a hog. Try and correct them and they swear a strike dog and a "find dog" are two completely different things

The terms "strike dog" "bay dog" "find dog" "help dog".

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By far the dumbest terms I've ever heard. Either you got a hog dog or you just got a dog.

Agree

Ha-ha get ahead zap!!!

True that


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Cracker I have seen that many times


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Dog is out 400 yards "I told you my dogs hunt long range"

don't line breed or inbreed because the pups will be born crazy/off their rocker...etc...I used to here it quite a bit back in the 1970's and 1980's...

So 400 ain't long range dang it


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covering 400 all around just means he is covering half a mile...about right for me...

If it takes more than one dog you only got half a dog, which kind of makes sense. :D
the other was my dog broke his jaw and is now has a undershot bite will he pass this on to his pups?

damn computer!

If u run a hog to hard he will start to run on his tip toes and won't leave any scent. They why the dogs lost him. Them old smart hogs do it even faster. After a few hundred yards.

Don't feed a dog for 2 days prior to hunt so they hunt harder.

Then the old standard. My dogs never trash.

6 week pups strike dogs. Stock broke.


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Arkansas

I actually like them in that range myself. Any further means I have to walk further :/

Yeah they hunt harder when they're starving lol!

I say long range is mile plus                                              On the starving thing my buddy says that not only are his dogs severely over weight then he don't feed em before they hunt I told him that's why they are so trashy lol


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I heard a guy say

"White catch dogs will break a bay because the hog will see them coming...so use black catch dogs"

And

"You can train a dog to not cross any rivers, then you won't have to swim....." (But that was in a coon dog conversation....)

Same guy told me you can't catch a hog on a full moon because they never stop moving.

There have been some dandys on this board thru the years ;)

cutting the ear off a dog works for (insert problem here - heatstroke, snake bite etc etc) pure garbage

If you feed a dog kangaroo it will start chasing them

Hogs can't swim..

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" hog fat cures hemoroids"
True story: A buddy and myself were skinning out a hog to be mounted at a Taxadermy and a guy from Mexico come up to us and wanted all the fat we could get off the hog for his roids.......

You won't catch any hogs around here with loose baying dogs!
You won't catch any hogs around here with rough dogs

There's a hog over in blank-n-blank pasture that'll kill every dog you got!
That's the one I want to set out on, I know he'll bay! Lol



I've said a few that some folks probably thought were the dumbest things they'd ever heard till they saw it happen,
When bayed in a tank, "don't turn the bulldog loose, let me tell the dogs to bring him over here"
When hearing a sporadic bay "thats a sounder, just pick a stump and wait till they're settled"

Of course I've got the experience and wisdom at this point to not even believe my own BS half the time! Lol

dang  :o

There are some things posted on this thread that I've found true...

1. If a gyp gets cut the males will think she's in heat, this is true, I had a gyp get cut in her female part and I sewed her up and took her back to the truck and continued hunting, when we got back to the truck the very same younger males that was hunting with her earlier in the night and not paying her no mind were going crazy trying to get to her and tried riding her.

2. Cutting a dogs ear off because of heatstroke, you don't cut the ear off, you cut the very tip of it off and it might just be my experience but I've seen this done on more than one occasion and the dogs survived.

3. Training a dog not to cross rivers, with today's modern technology such as the alpha it is very easily to do, I know several deer and coon doggers who have trained their dogs to not cross rivers or black top roads because of property lines or from of safety aspect.


To get back on topic...

1. Fellow once told me that a dog absorbs water through their pads, so swimming a dog during a keep or conditioning program would cause the dogs problems during the match or hunt.

2. There's no such thing as good catahoulas, I just laugh to myself and then ask if they want to go put a dog on the ground to see for sure.

3. The best one I've heard ever since I've been messing with dogs I just heard a few weeks or so ago and I read it on here, and that is if your not hunting one persons style then your not doing it right and if you have to use more than one dog to catch a hog (ex. Baydog and catch dog) then you have half a hog dog. That is one of the most absurd things I've ever heard. I guess any cowhand who has to use a rope and a saddle ain't a cowboy or a fisherman who has to use a hook, line, and sinker ain't a fisherman.

DUMBEST EVER . . . . "PITS HAVE LOCK-JAW"

DUMBEST EVER . . . . "GATOR MOUTH PIT"

DUMBEST EVER . . . . "REDNOSE BLOODLINE"

P.S.  I HAVE SOME GAME BRED PITBULL PUPPIES FOR SALE.  THE DADDY IS A 100 LB. PURE REDNOSE BOUDRO FRISCO BLOODLINE WITH A 23" HEAD.  THE MAMMA IS A PURE GATOR MOUF BRINDLE BLOODLINE WITH DOUBLE GOTTI PEDIGREE.  THE PUPPIES ARE PURE JEEP/FRISCO GATOR MOUF BRINDLES, AND THE VET HAS EX-RAYED THE PUPPIES AND THEY ALL HAVE THE LOCK-JAW MECHANISM.  PUPPIES WILL BE 100 LBS. AND GUARANTEED TO PARALYZE HOGS.  ALL PUPPIES COME WITH A BREAKING STICK SIGNED BY MAURICE CARVER.   

 

p.m. sent  ;D hahaha

I'll swap you a finished out 6 month old jam up and jelly tight cur dog for one of Them pups

Catahoula's can hunt.........LOL

I know a guy that had a field trial bird dog that kept getting disqualified because he would start fights with the dog he was braced with. AND he had laid the leather on him so much for that he would drop on point with the handler walked up to him.

Sooooooooooooooo, he and some buddies started their own field trial club and changed the rules a little. If a dog dropped on point it was not a disqualification because the dog was trying to hide from the birds and it showed supreme intelligence.

I still have the hand book because nobody would believe me when I told them about the BS rules.

Anything Blastin44mag puts on ETHD

I second that!!

I read a few of the dumbest ever by the afforementioned tonight...still lmao

"A good bulldog is a dime a dozen"

"All Craigslist dogs are"

And this friggin doozy of a moronic statement...
"You don't train bulldogs, you break them"

Lol...

x2 on that...I used to say catch dogs were a dime a dozen...but that was in the 1980s...not that far removed from the dog fighting era...now it is not that easy to find a good catch dog...has been that way for years...

1992 Pontiac Grand Ams are a dime a dozen too . . . but that don't mean I want to drive one.     

Here we go again with the dimwhitted statements...

Since when was being a breeder of a working breed or dog a bad thing?

Every working breed owes its lineage to a breeders or group of breeders..

If you don't believe in buying dogs just keep finding yours on Craigslist because im pretty, that by the road you are traveling on here, no 'breeder' of workin dogs is gonna offer you one for free as they do quite often to thinking folks

...prob about to the point that a real 'breeder', not a peddler, would even sell ya one...

That's not 'breeders', that's peddlers....

Here's  thought...

Step in out there and try breeding and culling your own over generations for whatever venue you gripe about... Then check back

If you were successful and proved it...you may be able to name a price. But I can almost guarantee you still won't break even...

Only sold two dogs in my life 13yrs ago... Guy

44MAG, It seems you're on a personal mission to discredit anyone who breeds bulldogs.  There are lots of guys on this board who are dedicated to breeding quality bulldogs.  Just because they don't get their catch dogs off Craigslist, it doesn't mean they are out to screw over "young guys", nor does it mean that they are trying to make money off their dogs.  And just because they ENJOY breeding bulldogs and trying to produce something of quality, that doesn't give you the right to belittle them/us.  It seems you have a personal problem with folks who ENJOY breeding, raising, training their bulldogs.  Everyone knows that a catch dog can be found on Craigslist or at the pound, but just because that's so, it doesn't mean that any and all other bulldogs that someone purchases are by default "overpriced".  The dogs on Craigslist were created by "breeders" too.  Somebody had to breed them, so if not for these "breeders" that you seem to despise, you wouldn't be able to get dogs off Craigslist.  It really only matters to the person who buys the dog.  I'm sure lots of folks think Tony Romo is overpaid, but it's Jerry Jones' money, and as long as he thinks his money is well spent, then it really doesn't matter what the rest of us think.  

As for myself, yes I have a very expensive bulldog with a fancy pedigree that I paid a lot of money for.  But I didn't buy the dog to catch hogs with.  I stud the dog out to other breeders of high-end bulldogs.  And yes, I get a lot of money for the stud fee, and yes, I sometimes sell puppies and some of those puppies bring as much as $1,500.  But what you don't understand is that the people who pay that stud fee and buy those puppies know EXACTLY what they are buying and nobody is taking advantage of anybody.  The definition of a fair price is when two parties agree to a price and both parties are satisfied.  In other words, somebody has to want the puppy more than they want their $1,500.  Nobody is twisting anybody's arm and nobody is having to tell lies to sell the pups.  I studded my male out 7 times in the last 6 months for a total of $9,000.  And most likely NOT A SINGLE ONE of those puppies will ever even see a hog.  Now at the same time, I will breed that same male to a proven catch dog female, either AB or un-papered pit, and will give the puppies away to hog hunters.  So you're argument that "breeders" are taking advantage of young guys . . . doesn't hold water.  I think you're missing the point here . . . just because someone is a breeder, that doesn't make them a con artist.  I had a fellow bring a good catch dog gyp to my male recently because he wanted some gamier type pups.  I didn't charge him a dime for the stud fee.

You make broad generalizations and try to categorize people who want to breed better bulldogs as somehow being snake-oil salesman.  And I will 100% agree with you that a good catch dog can be cheap or free and gotten from the pound.  But just because someone has a lot of time, money, dedication and years of commitment to breeding good bulldogs, you want to somehow belittle them by calling them "breeders taking advantage of kids".  You try to categorize me as a "breeder", as if the term "breeder" is supposed to be automatically perceived as some negative character flaw.  I am happy with the dogs I have, I pay for their feed, so as long as they please me and the people who W-A-N-T to buy them, that is all that matters.      

Check that it was 19 yrs ago after thinking back and it was Great Dane pups sold as pets for 300$ a pc out of a litter of 9. The test I gave away beside my two keepers...

Nah I got a job I live off of ...guy

Heck...frick...it was 21 yrs ago...lol true story

must be proven to a bunch of folks coming with cash in hand...

The good news is... With some of the recent posts...I can add to my list of dumbest things I've ever heard.  ;)

Well then, they should look you up. With family lines 30  years long, they should make for a fine pet...and free to boot ;) 

I think it's obvious at this point that 44Mag is what we would call a "low information" bulldogger.  He probably means well, trying to be the "protector" of new guys from lowly "breeders" like myself.  In 44Mag's world, a bulldog is a dime a dozen and anyone who would pay anything for one is an obvious moron.  In 44Mag's world . . . you get on Craigslist . . . get a free dog . . . it catches awesome every time . . . end of story.  That's how you do it.  Anyone who doesn't follow this time-tested strategy is just a SUCKER who likes getting screwed by breeders who make up stories about how proven their lines are ?????  Trying to explain the concept of . . . VALUE BEING IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER is apparently above 44Mag's cognitive skill level. 
Nobody on this board takes exception to you going to the pound to get your catch dogs.  We just can't figure out why you feel you need to SMEAR other people and go to such great lengths to prove your point.  YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE GUYS WHO THINKS HE NEEDS TO DIM SOMEONE ELSE'S LIGHT SO HIS CAN SHINE BRIGHTER. 

44Mag says . . . "proven lines, proven to who"?  The answer is simple: Proven to lots of folks who live outside your world.  I have a buddy who paid $25,000 for a dog.  Does that make him an idiot, not hardly.  It his $$$ and if that's what he wants to do, it doesn't make him a sucker, moron, idiot or anything else.  It just means that he recognized value to himself in something that other people don't.  Some people pay $100,000 for a baseball card.  Now I wouldn't do that, but that doesn't make the guy who bought it a sucker just because I wouldn't buy it???  You're argument is based on the premise that anyone who wouldn't do exactly what you do is wrong.  However, you're arguments lack LOGIC.  Some people are willing to pay big money for things that other people wouldn't.  That's why we live in the USA.  Because we all don't have to follow the same ideas, same script, same group think lifestyle.  IT'S CALLED FREEDOM. 

44Mag says . . . "proven lines, proven to who"?  There is an old saying, "better to be thought a fool, than to speak and prove it". (In your case, type and prove it).  In the meantime, I'll keep studding my dog out for $1,000 to "breeders" who keep coming back for more.  You can keep getting free dogs off Craigslist.  As long as both of us are happy, who cares.  It doesn't affect you in any way.                   

     

Haven't you guys realized that our friend 44Maggie here does it all, so far I've gathered he's an electrician, farmer, famed dog breeder of 30 years that no ones heard of and if your not practicing his school of thought on things then your automatically doing it wrong, I'm sure their not all like that, but this individual gives people from CalifornIA a bad image.

Oh a keyboard commando I forgot to mention he's the Rambo of keyboard commandos...

Fella I rest my case with you, you just said a mouthful in my eyes, seems those young hunters you want to protect from Internet dog sellers are a lot smarter than you, one there's a reason the pups  were for sale in the first place and it was because more than likely the breeder was in it for profit not production, so therefore a $ bill being their motive not a better dog, just about the majority of the really good dogs of ANY breed, were passed from breeder to breeder with nothing more than a pup and a handshake exchanged, not saying it's everyone but you can just about bet your britches that if the breeder is having to take the measure and going as far as to advertise the pups however way, then the breeding doesn't speak for itself, word of mouth before the matings were done would have the pups already sold and the breeder wouldn't have to say a single word about it, now I'm not saying everybody who sales some pups a year is a profit minded person because there are folks who are bettering their breeds but somewhere along the way it has to be able to pay for itself in way, your buying the junk that nobody wants I don't know how things are labeled in California but east of the Rockies that's not called getting a good deal that's called salvage shopping, second I see that you've gone into defense mode and see that you feel you need to explain yourself to everyone, there would be no need to explain yourself if you hadn't put yourself in the position to do so, seems that every conversation that you get involved in on this forum your bashing someone just because you don't agree with their way of doing things maybe you were picked on as a kid or drank the holy water with the wrong priest and feel that you need to show masculinity everywhere you make your presence known, your right I don't know you and hopefully never will because I don't like to be associated with men of your caliber just judging by how you present yourself to others, then again I could be wrong and you could be an upstanding guy who really is a man of chivalry, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case because I believe the good lord blessed me with a gift that I've tested time and time and time again and it hasn't let me down and that is the ability to be very observant of others and read right through them like a .10 cent comic book, I've learned that a mans mind speaks for his character and being I've never met you and am solely going off of what your mind tells your fingers to put on the Internet I'm sure there are some that might agree with me, third  history shows  that for years the majority of Californians ( not all by no means) have always thought that the rest of the country needs to get on board with the west coast way of things and being you said you live on the family ranch that has been in the family for many generations I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that your ways and thoughts are deeply embedded in the fabric of your DNA and nothing anyone says or does will be the right way unless it's YOUR way, and last and I'm done, yes I see your catch some big boars and that's impressive, [pat on the back] but if you really want to impress show me some caught and TIED with one out dog teams, I can pack my two year old into a bay and let him pull the trigger on one or Stab one, leg him, throw him, tie him, and get him out alive, that's impressive to me, by no means I'm saying it's the right way but if you want to poke that chest out and label yourself as the BIGBOARBLASTIN44MAG then give my way of hunting a try and give the man vs beast way a go.......by the way this post cost me 10$ had to pull over to write this and just so happened pulled into a cafe.

My point exactly so can the majority of the people you've been trying to call out, your not the only one that's got a good dog, one other thing I left out you say your family has been breeding this line of dogs for 30 years but yet you still have to "shop" for dogs, that speaks volumes in itself, you really are making it easier and easier for people to see you for the fool you are.....please keep posting, you expose yourself a little more each time.

Man that I think you have a misconception that you've ticked people off when in all reality all you've done is make a fool of yourself, when you get called out on something you make absolutely no logical sense in none of your ramblings, I'm pretty sure the guys you "pissed off" don't really care that you'll put your money where your mouth is and if your referring it to me then I'm glad you feel you can back what you say, I can to, it's always to good to have fresh eyes and minds amidst a good discussion but you weren't contributing none, 97% of what you put on here your being confrontational about it, trying to convince people that their screwing somebody or they don't know what a proven line of dogs is,  you say your looking at for people and their hard earned money, that's good but hey jack its THEIR money, who cares if they blow it on a dog or whatever THEY made it not you, it's sad you have to leave the kitchen when the grease is hot and splashing on you, the forum is a very vast wealth of knowledge if you have an open mind to others ways of doing things. As far as the Dan moody deal, I know the guy who bought the dogs he lives in my area and is a very knowledgable dogman Dan moody was supposed to be a dogman himself but the dogs were nothing what he said they were and the mans big deal was Dan didn't want to honor and agreement they had, I hunted with one of the dogs and my gyp was having an off day and still put a spanking on one of the gyps purchased from him, so before you want to come in like batman and save the day, you need to figure things out first. You ever heard the term the best lessons learned are bought lessons, a little food for thought, at least their buying dogs at a young age and not a grown man bargain shopping the leftovers on Craigslist, I think it's wonderful your opening your eyes to other things and breeds but before you start telling one man he's doing it wrong you need to scratch your little noggin and figure why he's doing and why it's working for him instead of telling him that you don't do it like that and that he's wrong because that's not how you do it.....Happy hunting to you partner.